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Measured doses are the way forward... Once you pop you can't stop.

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ewok

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I have had a break from dmt recently not for any particular reason just wasn't feeling it I guess, that was until last weekend when I once again stepped into the dmt realm. During that experience I was flooded with memories from a previous trip I had long forgotten. All week the thoughts of that vision have been popping up in my head so decided tonight to once again enter that realm.
After a few failed attempts where oddly nothing was happening I loaded up an unmeasured amount took one hit and before I had time to even think about holding it in I began moving faster and faster.

I approached a wall at great speed stopping just short of it, it had so much detail in the pattern and texture nothing like I've ever seen before. While I was glued looking at it the wall wrapped around me and started to transform to which I could only describe as a meat grinder.

Circular saws came from every direction I could feel myself being ripped to shreds, I got the feeling parts of me went to every corner of the universe.

Then all the pieces imploded back together and I was infront of a female entity which looked very similar to one from the nexus banner. She did a swirl and with it pulled back all the layers of our existence, till it was just me and what appeared to be the chairman of the universe.

He wanted to show me how our reality is made. He directed his drones to build. They showed me how behind the curtain they control our experience's and how we perceive then. They constructed elaborate worlds with super detail in what seemed like a split second then just stripped it back and repeated it just to show how easily they fool us.

I then fell out some hole but could still see in there, it was at this point I became aware I was a human and knew how to talk again I felt the need to call out to my partner.

There was a bio-mechanical insect peeping out the hole at me and I got the feeling he was saying go home your've seen enough for now.

What a ride that was.
 
I still cant decide what i prefer, it's nice to be precise, measure & work your way up with pure crystal weighed exactly, but i also like being able to just take a big pinch of changa & work my way through it.
 
ewok said:
There was a bio-mechanical insect peeping out the hole at me and I got the feeling he was saying go home your've seen enough for now.
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Whoa, I saw one of those bio mechanical insect in one of my journeys, it was first surprised at seeing me, but then just proceeded with its work, whatever that was. It's an incredible place indeed.
 
tele said:
DeMenTed said:
Sounds like you met "the boss" congratulations :)
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Now we can hear the children yelling "what was he like, what was he like"?! :d
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Certainly got the impression he was the boss, not sure how to describe him other than complete power.
 
Chronic said:
i still cant decide what i prefer, its nice to be precise & measure & work your way up, but i also like being able to take a big pinch of changa & work my way through it slowly
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I only started to measure because I would black out if dose got to high, this time that wasn't an option they wanted me to see it and no way where they gonna let me forget, this was my deepest journey but also my most clearest.
 
nice one thank you for sharing. I had a break from spice as well and still have but feel like smoking a bit very soon :)
 
ewok said:
They constructed elaborate worlds with super detail in what seemed like a split second then just stripped it back and repeated it just to show how easily they fool us.
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could we learn to do these things also , i mean it would be awesome if we could construct elaborate worlds on our own

amazing trip report ewok
 
Hi ewok,

Hell yeah!
There is nothing like proper dose sraight DMT blast...:shock: Violent blast into the interdimensional tunnel, with no time left to be scared.Nothing else can deliver that, not changa, nor aya, Aco, shoorms. I tend to loose consciousness in there sometimes. Bad wording...I cease to exist there?
It's fun from sitter point of view too. There is NO doubt that psychonaut is gone :d

Love you post,
keep up.
 
zubidlo said:
Hi ewok,

Hell yeah!
There is nothing like proper dose sraight DMT blast...:shock: Violent blast into the interdimensional tunnel, with no time left to be scared.Nothing else can deliver that, not changa, nor aya, Aco, shoorms. I tend to loose consciousness in there sometimes. Bad wording...I cease to exist there?
It's fun from sitter point of view too. There is NO doubt that psychonaut is gone :d

Love you post,
keep up.
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I know what you mean about ceasing to exist. When I went through the meat grinder that was the end of my existence.

Dam powerfull stuff wish I knew the dose I took that part of hyperspace needs further investigation.
 
ewok said:
I know what you mean about ceasing to exist. When I went through the meat grinder that was the end of my existence.

Dam powerfull stuff wish I knew the dose I took that part of hyperspace needs further investigation.
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I don't think it's up to the dose to reach "there". Anyway if you try to measure doses and increase each time by 10mg I'm sure you would reach the dose of the trip, but that would not guarantee access to this place/part of the hyperspace, as you probably know the experiences aren't controlled by the amount you take. These things just happen when the time is right:wink:
 
tele said:
ewok said:
I know what you mean about ceasing to exist. When I went through the meat grinder that was the end of my existence.

Dam powerfull stuff wish I knew the dose I took that part of hyperspace needs further investigation.
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I don't think it's up to the dose to reach "there". Anyway if you try to measure doses and increase each time by 10mg I'm sure you would reach the dose of the trip, but that would not guarantee access to this place/part of the hyperspace, as you probably know the experiences aren't controlled by the amount you take. These things just happen when the time is right:wink:
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IME dmt is very dose dependent, a 15mg dose will never take me that far, 25mg and no choice about it I will breakthrough. 30mg and I blackout. Always been easy to predict the depth into the realm I will go, what happen's when I get there is a different story though.

This time was over 30mg how far I don't know. And not sure why I didn't blackout as usual.
 
ewok said:
IME dmt is very dose dependent, a 15mg dose will never take me that far, 25mg and no choice about it I will breakthrough. 30mg and I blackout. Always been easy to predict the depth into the realm I will go, what happen's when I get there is a different story though.

This time was over 30mg how far I don't know. And not sure why I didn't blackout as usual.
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My deepest breakthrough (which remains a singular, unique experience) was not my highest dose. Of course, for each of us there is a “breakthrough threshold” dose – a minimum dose below which one will not experience a breakthrough, but once that threshold is crossed, anything can happen.

There is no way to ensure (via dose or any other means) that one has the transcentdent, rare type of “++++” experience as Shulgin describes:

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A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samadhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end of, the human experiment.
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Hi,

IME triptamine psychedelics generally are very dose dependent. 40mg 4-ACO is nothing like 20mg. It's not twice that strong is't whole new level of experience. Rave party dose of shooms is nowhere close to full blown psychedelic dose when you can't even move anymore. Why would dmt be different? 20mg inhaled experience is far from 40-50 mg inhaled.

Everybody listened to those T.Mckenna recordings, right? Every time he spoke about about DMT experience, he went: 'I took 3, 4 BIG inhalations...bla...bla..'. That's the dose right there for inter dimensional encounter with aliens:d

IMO it's healthy to ritualize the exploration with potent psychedelics. Like...I could think of my body as inter dimensional ship and DMT as sacred fuel. All I have to do is replace earthly oxygen in my lungs with this sacred vapor to launch the ship. So...I load the pipe with ash/50 mg dmt/ash, exhale ALL the oxygen and take SLOWEST BIGGEST DEEPEST inhalation of DMT I'm able of. It must take all least 10sec to inhale and I must be choking with hot vapor at the end. All left to do is to hold the breath, to put seat belts on and start the countdown in my head.

Regards.
 
gibran2 said:
ewok said:
IME dmt is very dose dependent, a 15mg dose will never take me that far, 25mg and no choice about it I will breakthrough. 30mg and I blackout. Always been easy to predict the depth into the realm I will go, what happen's when I get there is a different story though.

This time was over 30mg how far I don't know. And not sure why I didn't blackout as usual.
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My deepest breakthrough (which remains a singular, unique experience) was not my highest dose. Of course, for each of us there is a “breakthrough threshold” dose – a minimum dose below which one will not experience a breakthrough, but once that threshold is crossed, anything can happen.

There is no way to ensure (via dose or any other means) that one has the transcentdent, rare type of “++++” experience as Shulgin describes:

Shulgin said:
A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samadhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end of, the human experiment.
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Strongly disagree, when I used to journey I consistently induced what I would call a +4 every time by dosing twice, the second dose 3 hours into the experience. The resulting brain saturation would automatically throw me into a +4.
 
embracethevoid said:
Strongly disagree, when I used to journey I consistently induced what I would call a +4 every time by dosing twice, the second dose 3 hours into the experience. The resulting brain saturation would automatically throw me into a +4.
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One possibility you might not have considered, and I say this with utmost respect for your subjective experiences (which others including myself can’t possibly know), is that you’ve never had a +4 experience as defined by Shulgin. (I've only had a handful out of hundreds of breakthroughs, including many very deep, meaningful ones.)

Two of the defining characteristics are “rare” and “not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug” (at any dose). Your definition doesn’t include either of those characteristics.

Of course, it's possible you've found a method that will signal "the end of the human experiment". 😉
 
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