Mental/Physical Barriers

[DMT Psychonaut]

First off I would like to announce I have gained official member status today :lol: (Overbearing Joy!)

Also I have completed my first extraction!

Not the desired yeild but it is my first time so I have room to improve.

I am still posting in the Nursery because I have grown accustomed to this place =) and even though I have displayed the proper attitude to be granted full membership I feel I am still not worthy as I have not achieved my first breakthrough.

Even though this is my first time extracting and using my own pure spice, I have smoked it a few times before. It seems I am still experiencing some mental and physical barriers.

Mental Barriers:

I have always used the spice at my apartment! So I feel I am in a comfortable setting.
I usually have my roommate and close friends around as well.

Often before trying to experience the spice I spend a lot of time thinking and mentally preparing for it.
I often get excited for the idea of finally experiencing a breakthrough!
I often even feel I am completely ready.

However, when it comes down to it, in the last moment as I'm in the moment I always feel anxiety and fears flooding my thoughts. For some reason I become so shaken of the idea of going into unknown territory and "leaving my body."
I keep tricking myself into thinking I will have some terrible experience even though I know that if I did it would only last several minutes. I just can't seem to shake this feeling. I have been waiting for this moment for so long and I am somewhat experience with other psychedelics, only having done shrooms once and LSD and handful of times. Stil all those experiences were very pleasant and I handled them very well.

I am wondering if that is the reason. I am very tolerent to altered states of mind. Even while being substantaily intoxicated, whether it be drunk on alcohol or high on weed or a combination of the two and doing psychedelics; I can always seem to stay grounded when I need to be and maintain nearly normal functions. I don't believe I have ever truly lost myself to uncontrolable emotions or thoughts.

Physical Barriers:

It seems everytime I start inhaling the spice vape, it always seems so harsh. At first I always had trouble smoking marijuana. It actually took me several attempts to get high just from the fact that I would gag on the smoke and end up coughing so unpleasantly that it negated the effects of being high. I eventually got used to the smoke and it turned into a wonderful experience. So with the properties of spice being so much more harsh I feel I am having a difficult time adjusting to adequetly inhale and hold in the vape long enough to reach breakthrough. I feel like I always end up coughing and exhaling too soon and end up wasting the hit partially. The smoke seems so hot and feels as if it leaves some kind of residue or sticky feeling in my throat. Plus I always feel as if I have managed to get close to a breakthrough. Visuals become very intense and my mind is racing. I begin to lose focus and can't seem to force myself to take the next hit. I always end up feeling very ill and start gaging much like when I first started smoking MJ. I even start shaking badly which makes it difficult to use the lighter. So I at this point I usually give up and refuse to go on as I can't shake the sickness. Although my roommate is usually right there trying to encourage me to continue.



Here were the tools I used

I purchased this because the gvg was sold out and I didn't want to wait. So far I am not very skilled at using this. Plus I think this is the partial reason why the vape is so hot. I'm not sure how well this works compared to gvg. Is there anyone who has used both?

The dose was approximately 40mg.


Does anyone have some helpful tips or suggestions to help me break through these barriers?

 

[DMT Psychonaut]

Sorry I am uncertain about inserting the image? But I attached it at the bottom too.

I would like to add I used a torch light for lighting this.

 

[Felnik]

Get some mullein and sandwich the spice between it
Look up mullien . It's was huge leap forward for me .

Anxiety is normal . There are tons if writeups on nexus.anxiety and fear is a huge part
Of all this. Start with smaller doses and less
Expectations . Work in gradually . Breakthroughs will come in time .
I spent about a year just doing low doses and getting comfortable
With it . You learn over time and perfect the art of it .

 

[Bill Cipher]

I've never used that particular device, but I can see how it functions and how it might produce an uncomfortably hot and harsh vapor. The GVG hits like warm air once you dial in the technique, and if your spice is right the vapor isn't unpleasant in any way.

As to your mental barrier, this is the trick we all have to master - pressing on in the face of an immediate, intimidating and very hard hitting onset. It helps to have someone else there initially to man the pipe and lighter. Pre-measure your dose. Work your way up. Focus on clearing each one. Eventually, you'll hit the sweet spot, and from having worked your way up through the dosage range, you should have more confidence to push through the fear and keep hitting it until the bomb drops.

 

[Shrabbit420]

I have used one of those eclipse vape's before, but I smoked hash oil/honey oil out of it. Very cool vaporizers, my favorite part is the one-way air flow locks inside of it, so that when your not taking a hit the chamber closes off. I imagine that it would work very well for spice if you get the technique down.

As for the physical blacks you have, I have the same problems with vaporizers, my throat doesn't like the hot air. For this reason I used a water-pipe with the bowl outfitted for proper vaporization, the water cools down and compresses the vapor making it easier to take very big rips (30-50mg in one hit is no problem). But I think the hot smoke is something you just have to get used to with regular vaporizers.

Anxiety is normal before you smoke, you just have to keep it from getting the better of you, its all about your mindset. And like what has been said already, start low and work your way up, get comfortable with the water before you try diving into the ocean.

 

[DMT Psychonaut]

What about the lighter, Should I stick with using a torch lighter for this or should I switch to a regular lighter?

 

[Shrabbit420]

Its all about your technique, but I assume a torch lighter would work better. Keep it far enough away, so that it doesn't heat the glass up enough to burn the spice, but enough to make it melt and turn to vapor.

 

[DMT Psychonaut]

Okay so while holding the flame to it is it a good is it better to let it melt and wait to see vapor before drawing from it. Or should one start drawing as soon as it turns to a liquid?

 

[Shrabbit420]

Smoking spice is slightly different than smoking hash oil, so I'm not sure.

When smoking hash oil, you wait till you see some vapor form and then begin ripping it (while keeping the flame near/on it). The trick is to get it to the right temperature, so your bringing in airflow as the stuff is getting vaporized, and the vapor gets caught in the airflow and into your lungs.

Since there is an air-lock inside that thing, I imagine you could probably turn the whole dose into vapor first, then start drawing in the smoke (if you wanted to that is, I don't know how well this would work, just a hypothesis).

Your just going to have to try it a few times, until you get the technique down. Some other people might be more knowledgeable on this subject than I am, so maybe wait for their opinions. I've never been big on using vaporizers, I'm a smoker not vaper.

 

[DMT Psychonaut]

Well thank you Shrabbit, I think you have been them most helpful member to me here at the Nexus or atleat the one most involved in my post. I will keep experimenting and report back if I ever develop a solid technique for this piece. Also made a key v2 today but had no luck with that either. My spice just melted right through the screens and I'm not sure if I got a hit throught the water.

 

[Shrabbit420]

How many screens did you use in your key v2?

That is basically what I did with my water-pipe, but I used the stock glass bowl, and layered about 8 screens inside it (putting them fairly close together). Then placed the spice on the screen followed by another 3-4 screens on top of the spice (these screens were left apart as much as possible). The top screens prevent the flame from directly hitting the spice, and the lower screens give the spice something to flow over as the hot air rushes in and vaporizes it. I used a regular bic lighter, and held it close enough to where the flame was just tapping the top screen and began to glow red.

Here's a pic to illustrate my design, sorry it so sh**ty, I just made it in paint real quick.

 

[Sig_R]

I have a tip that worked for me take the dmt and some nice smokable herb that goes down smooth I picked blue lotus and mix that with your dmt, then pack a bong when dry take it in 1 hit with no noticeable discomfort or coughing what so ever, the smoke goes down like water.

Look at this for info on mixing dmt with herb DMT Handbook it's on page 23 enhanced leaf.(The .pdf file)

Happy tripping.

 

[DMT Psychonaut]

Well I used 5 on bottom and 5 on top like the thread originally stated. Plus I was using a torch lighter. Also I actually took the flame to the copper chamber for a bit rather than just pulling it in through the screens. I think for the most part I just need more screens on the bottom. Also I have to be honest at first glance I thought your drawing was of a thong with a really long G-string :lol:

 

[hydrocarbon]

Well I used 5 on bottom and 5 on top like the thread originally stated. Plus I was using a torch lighter. Also I actually took the flame to the copper chamber for a bit rather than just pulling it in through the screens. I think for the most part I just need more screens on the bottom. Also I have to be honest at first glance I thought your drawing was of a thong with a really long G-string :lol:

^ Pervy perv... I can see it now tho

Anyway, the V2 I have used with cannabis and I couldn't get it to vaporize with 5 screens on top, and they were pretty close to the herb.

I scaled back to 3 and it works well.

About the bottom (twss): I am sure this has already been suggested, but maybe try throwing some inert herb below the spice so it doesn't all run through the screens.