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good thread, and nice post joedirt

i often do pranayama. but another thing that really interests me a lot, which sometimes i engage in after a bit of pranayama, is what Jung called the process of active imagination. I started doing it before i knew much about jung or that he talked about it, but it was essentially very similar. There are many ways to go about it but the idea is to not exert much influence and let the images in your mind unfold naturally without bending much to the desires and will of the conscious mind. Visualizing things is a good way to start

So just observe and observe and let your mind express what it does.. After the initial gentil push, it can take off with a firey life of its own..eventually with you ending up in a sort of trance that is not unlike the imaginatrix encountered via the harmalas. Sort of a hypnagogic state..i find it best to stay as conscious as you can though and engaged in/with it. You can actually go into dream sequences while awake that seem to be visual/sensual (sometimes synesthesic) messages of some sort that can have profound meaning and syncronicity with your life. Just remember- don't fall asleep! Although i admit it is a very blissfully bizarre sleep

Jung saw this sort of thing as a bridge between the conscious and unconscious mind, and believed it allowed unconscious thought-forms to be acted out so to communicate messages to the conscious mind. It can be literally like engaging in a dialogue with the unconscious parts of your mind. He saw it as a dance with not only the personal dynamics of the psyche that lay under the surface of awareness, but also the collective unconscious. Who knows.. if the imagination really does turn out to have non-local aspects, then this would be a seriously ground-breaking exercise :] I actually don't understand Jung's methods for it that deeply so maybe someone else can chime in here

Sometimes it is fun to exert influence and try and guide the thing along some sort of creode and see where you end up.. simply sitting down and doing the "what you would i do if i could do anything" meditation for an hour can get you into some very interesting territory..but even here the thing seems to quickly detach from my conscious will and do what its going to do.

Doing this after ayahuasca, or even just caapi and cannabis, can be very amazing and lead to states of mind where insights can just pour in. Eventually you'll just be seeing whatever it is your imagining, like literally sculpting visual objects in your mind- but it can be pretty beyond your control. A lot of times i'll be in a trance and barely be aware i'm seeing anything at all until i snap out of it, and watch with eyes open as the thing slowly fades like a phosphorescent afterimage

it can seem really silly at first..actually, its very nature is probably inherently silly ..but dagnabbit! why not spark up your neotany.. and exercise one of the most mysterious abilities of your mind, which we know almost nothing about, that is unique to humans(afaik), and is at the root of our global culture and everything created by humanity: The human imagination

<blockquote data-quote="universecannon" data-source="post: 3507266" data-attributes="member: 2498">good thread, and nice post joedirti often do pranayama. but another thing that really interests me a lot, which sometimes i engage in after a bit of pranayama, is what Jung called the process of active imagination. I started doing it before i knew much about jung or that he talked about it, but it was essentially very similar. There are many ways to go about it but the idea is to not exert much influence and let the images in your mind unfold naturally without bending much to the desires and will of the conscious mind. Visualizing things is a good way to startSo just observe and observe and let your mind express what it does.. After the initial gentil push, it can take off with a firey life of its own..eventually with you ending up in a sort of trance that is not unlike the imaginatrix encountered via the harmalas. Sort of a hypnagogic state..i find it best to stay as conscious as you can though and engaged in/with it. You can actually go into dream sequences while awake that seem to be visual/sensual (sometimes synesthesic) messages of some sort that can have profound meaning and syncronicity with your life. Just remember- don&#039;t fall asleep! Although i admit it is a very blissfully bizarre sleep <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; Jung saw this sort of thing as a bridge between the conscious and unconscious mind, and believed it allowed unconscious thought-forms to be acted out so to communicate messages to the conscious mind. It can be literally like engaging in a dialogue with the unconscious parts of your mind. He saw it as a dance with not only the personal dynamics of the psyche that lay under the surface of awareness, but also the collective unconscious. Who knows.. if the imagination really does turn out to have non-local aspects, then this would be a seriously ground-breaking exercise :] I actually don&#039;t understand Jung&#039;s methods for it that deeply so maybe someone else can chime in hereSometimes it is fun to exert influence and try and guide the thing along some sort of creode and see where you end up.. simply sitting down and doing the &quot;what you would i do if i could do anything&quot; meditation for an hour can get you into some very interesting territory..but even here the thing seems to quickly detach from my conscious will and do what its going to do. Doing this after ayahuasca, or even just caapi and cannabis, can be very amazing and lead to states of mind where insights can just pour in. Eventually you&#039;ll just be seeing whatever it is your imagining, like literally sculpting visual objects in your mind- but it can be pretty beyond your control. A lot of times i&#039;ll be in a trance and barely be aware i&#039;m seeing anything at all until i snap out of it, and watch with eyes open as the thing slowly fades like a phosphorescent afterimage it can seem really silly at first..actually, its very nature is probably inherently silly <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />&nbsp; ..but dagnabbit! why not spark up your neotany.. and exercise one of the most mysterious abilities of your mind, which we know almost nothing about, that is unique to humans(afaik), and is at the root of our global culture and everything created by humanity: The human imagination</blockquote>

[QUOTE="universecannon, post: 3507266, member: 2498"] good thread, and nice post joedirt i often do pranayama. but another thing that really interests me a lot, which sometimes i engage in after a bit of pranayama, is what Jung called the process of active imagination. I started doing it before i knew much about jung or that he talked about it, but it was essentially very similar. There are many ways to go about it but the idea is to not exert much influence and let the images in your mind unfold naturally without bending much to the desires and will of the conscious mind. Visualizing things is a good way to start So just observe and observe and let your mind express what it does.. After the initial gentil push, it can take off with a firey life of its own..eventually with you ending up in a sort of trance that is not unlike the imaginatrix encountered via the harmalas. Sort of a hypnagogic state..i find it best to stay as conscious as you can though and engaged in/with it. You can actually go into dream sequences while awake that seem to be visual/sensual (sometimes synesthesic) messages of some sort that can have profound meaning and syncronicity with your life. Just remember- don't fall asleep! Although i admit it is a very blissfully bizarre sleep :) Jung saw this sort of thing as a bridge between the conscious and unconscious mind, and believed it allowed unconscious thought-forms to be acted out so to communicate messages to the conscious mind. It can be literally like engaging in a dialogue with the unconscious parts of your mind. He saw it as a dance with not only the personal dynamics of the psyche that lay under the surface of awareness, but also the collective unconscious. Who knows.. if the imagination really does turn out to have non-local aspects, then this would be a seriously ground-breaking exercise :] I actually don't understand Jung's methods for it that deeply so maybe someone else can chime in here Sometimes it is fun to exert influence and try and guide the thing along some sort of creode and see where you end up.. simply sitting down and doing the "what you would i do if i could do anything" meditation for an hour can get you into some [i]very [/i]interesting territory..but even here the thing seems to quickly detach from my conscious will and do what its going to do. Doing this after ayahuasca, or even just caapi and cannabis, can be very amazing and lead to states of mind where insights can just pour in. Eventually you'll just be seeing whatever it is your imagining, like literally sculpting visual objects in your mind- but it can be pretty beyond your control. A lot of times i'll be in a trance and barely be aware i'm seeing anything at all until i snap out of it, and watch with eyes open as the thing slowly fades like a phosphorescent afterimage it can seem really silly at first..actually, its very nature is probably inherently silly :p ..but dagnabbit! why not spark up your neotany.. and exercise one of the most mysterious abilities of your mind, which we know almost nothing about, that is unique to humans(afaik), and is at the root of our global culture and everything created by humanity: The human imagination [/QUOTE]