Hi all,
I have been reading some old post’s recently, regarding the precipitation of DMT crystals in an aqueous solution, without the need for non-polar solvents. This suits both my desire to reduce my reliance on environmental pollutants, and serves as an interesting study into the mechanics of alkaloid extraction techniques. I am not looking for the highest yielding method, nor the fastest technique to produce freebase DMT; instead, I seek to understand and refine a simple method for the extraction of crystals from a basic MHRB tea solution, using only water, a base and some patience, with the hope that this may eventually be adapted for Phalaris grass tea.
The following posts indicated to me that DMT will precipitate in a basic MHRB tea, as shown in the first link, and cleaner solutions, as discussed in the second. However, the results do no seem to be easily replicable or consistent, as shown in the third link where an attempt to replicate the Water Only Tek failed: Water Only Tek + Separating DMT Without Any Solvent + The water tek, What are the end results?.
I am aware that DMT can be extracted with various solvents with greater speed, and while some may see this project as a waste of time, I believe there is a simpler alternative extraction method awaiting our discovery. One that will harmonise with the environment that we occupy, and seeks to encourage self-restraint and patience.
To document my progress on this endeavour I have begun this thread, and shall continue to update here with musings and progress reports as the days go by.
My initial attempt / test run:
50g of powdered MHRB was boiled in 700ml of de-ionised water, simmered for 1 hour and filtered into a glass jar using a non-bleached coffee filter.
The jar was placed in a fridge for 1 night to allow the sediment to settle. The solution was filtered into another jar, this time through a funnel stuffed with cotton wool.
I proceeded to reduce this filtered MHRB tea to 150ml, to concentrate the solution sufficiently to facilitate DMT crystallisation, but ended up with 135ml after getting distracted by my cats, which is easily done.
The final solution has now been sitting on the side for a week, while I await buffer solutions and a glass thermometer to calibrate my PH meter. I’d like to be sure of the PH readings before I continue. (Provisional PH readings at this point were 4.15 and 4.34, variations here may be due to significant temperature changes in my area across the days measured. This should be low enough to ensure the DMT is protonated).
I now have some precipitation occurring that is reminiscent of the failed attempt made by Ice House in the above posted link (The water tek, What are the end results?). I will post the pictures below. It seems key to clarify what’s happening here before I continue.
This solution will be based with NaOH initially to 10.68, pending further research and investigation into the impact of NaOH on the solutions density. As discussed on other posts, this could make the solution more dense than the DMT, facilitating the crystals formation at the top for ease of collection.
So, finally, thank you for taking the time to read this, and I would ask if anyone is willing to contribute to this exploration of tea precipitation, or share concerns and constructive criticisms, could they do so respectfully, with a higher nature
I have been reading some old post’s recently, regarding the precipitation of DMT crystals in an aqueous solution, without the need for non-polar solvents. This suits both my desire to reduce my reliance on environmental pollutants, and serves as an interesting study into the mechanics of alkaloid extraction techniques. I am not looking for the highest yielding method, nor the fastest technique to produce freebase DMT; instead, I seek to understand and refine a simple method for the extraction of crystals from a basic MHRB tea solution, using only water, a base and some patience, with the hope that this may eventually be adapted for Phalaris grass tea.
The following posts indicated to me that DMT will precipitate in a basic MHRB tea, as shown in the first link, and cleaner solutions, as discussed in the second. However, the results do no seem to be easily replicable or consistent, as shown in the third link where an attempt to replicate the Water Only Tek failed: Water Only Tek + Separating DMT Without Any Solvent + The water tek, What are the end results?.
I am aware that DMT can be extracted with various solvents with greater speed, and while some may see this project as a waste of time, I believe there is a simpler alternative extraction method awaiting our discovery. One that will harmonise with the environment that we occupy, and seeks to encourage self-restraint and patience.
To document my progress on this endeavour I have begun this thread, and shall continue to update here with musings and progress reports as the days go by.
My initial attempt / test run:
50g of powdered MHRB was boiled in 700ml of de-ionised water, simmered for 1 hour and filtered into a glass jar using a non-bleached coffee filter.
The jar was placed in a fridge for 1 night to allow the sediment to settle. The solution was filtered into another jar, this time through a funnel stuffed with cotton wool.
I proceeded to reduce this filtered MHRB tea to 150ml, to concentrate the solution sufficiently to facilitate DMT crystallisation, but ended up with 135ml after getting distracted by my cats, which is easily done.
The final solution has now been sitting on the side for a week, while I await buffer solutions and a glass thermometer to calibrate my PH meter. I’d like to be sure of the PH readings before I continue. (Provisional PH readings at this point were 4.15 and 4.34, variations here may be due to significant temperature changes in my area across the days measured. This should be low enough to ensure the DMT is protonated).
I now have some precipitation occurring that is reminiscent of the failed attempt made by Ice House in the above posted link (The water tek, What are the end results?). I will post the pictures below. It seems key to clarify what’s happening here before I continue.
This solution will be based with NaOH initially to 10.68, pending further research and investigation into the impact of NaOH on the solutions density. As discussed on other posts, this could make the solution more dense than the DMT, facilitating the crystals formation at the top for ease of collection.
So, finally, thank you for taking the time to read this, and I would ask if anyone is willing to contribute to this exploration of tea precipitation, or share concerns and constructive criticisms, could they do so respectfully, with a higher nature
(Or maybe, don't unless you really know what you're doing. Safety first.)
