swims primary interest is allways in regards to group ceremony... even if its a lax group social cohesion celebratory one. datura might have to be missed unless in serious group work or one on one where people can be more closely monitored.

One thing swim was thinking of today after talking to swims friend... is that perhaps the nausea does not absolutely need to be avoided. Swim noticed from his many years of doing group vilca ceremonies that nausea like in aya ceremonies can be beneficial as a cathartic purge and an essential part of the healing process, though not absolutely necessary. Swim also noticed that vomiting occurs when people need to vomit, and that normally seems to occur when people are not paying attention, or are not allowing the seeds to guide them in their process.

Swim knows that smoked changa can be fine when alcohol is involved, and swim would wonder if smoking JUST a 10x enhanced leaf of caapi would be effective in increasing the effects. caapi has been taken traditionally during vilca ingestion even combined with chica, some ethnobotanists have reported total "drug" binges where all of the above were ingested. seeing how the caapi alkaloids go straight to the brain by the pyrolization of the herb it may be effective in combination with the oral ingestion with alcohol.

worth a shot indeed...