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Mimosa Hostilis - Syrian Rue ratio / dosage

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Sicho Naut

Sicho Naut

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Hi all! I am new to the forum and to ayahuasca (2 experiences so far) as well, although I have extensive experience with other psychedelics.

I have trouble finding consistent information about dosage vis-a-vis a brew with mimosa hostilis and pre-loaded syrian rue (i.e. consumed separately from the brew). Most dosage information I find is about MHRB but does not specify the amount of SR to consume, which obviously can impact the intensity of the experience a great deal.

Can anyone give a dosage chart or something like that? E.g. what is the difference between 2g SR and 5 MHRB versus 3g SR and 5g MHRB?

I know dosage is subjective to a significant extent and I should experiment to find my sweet spot, but I am asking precisely to guide my experiments responsibly.

I have lots of experience with LSD, so if you can tell me what the equivalent dose of LSD (intensity-wise) would be, that would be a great help.

Thanks ahead.
 
I can't really tell you the LSD equivalent of Syrian Rue and MHRB but I can say that the difference between 2g Syrian Rue and 3g Syrian Rue, for most people, is that 2g is definitely on the lighter side and not making full use of the amount of DMT plant consumed due to it not being quite enough to fully inhibit MAO, while 3g is making better use of your DMT source. That said, 3g for many people and myself is still not quite enough, and for me about 4.20g-4.40g of Syrian Rue is what I feel to be the sweet spot giving me a fuller MAO inhibition and making more complete use of the DMT or DMT plant tea I consume. This is not necessarily a reason to always consume that much though. 4g of the Syrian Rue is itself going to feel different than 2g of Syrian Rue and you'll have to develop your own relationship with the plant to find out what works best for you and why. If you're looking to use your MHRB efficiently via MAO inhibition from Syrian Rue seeds then I'd suggest no less than 3g and no more than 5g at a time.

5g of the MHRB should be enough with any good quality inner rootbark, and I usually suggest starting with 2.5g of MHRB and working up from there.

You can always increase future amounts but you can never undo the taking of too much at one time. I suggest keeping notes until you know what has been reliable for you in regards to source of plants and amounts.

Cheers.
 
Great, thank you!

To be clear: When you refer to x grams of MHRB, you mean this amount processed in a brew or the straight ingestion of pulverized MHRB, as several people seem to take it?

I intend to make a brew in order to make it easier to digest (and I assume that some DMT gets lost when you make a brew, so the dosages would be different depending on the consumption method?).
 
Yes, mostly speaking on the amount of grams used to make the tea you would consume. It's better for most people to use either filtered tea or alkaloids from full extractions. Consuming the plant material in it's entirety can be rough for people but I know some have done it. Best to have tea with the solids filtered out.
 
psychonautt said:
Great, thank you!

To be clear: When you refer to x grams of MHRB, you mean this amount processed in a brew or the straight ingestion of pulverized MHRB, as several people seem to take it?

I intend to make a brew in order to make it easier to digest (and I assume that some DMT gets lost when you make a brew, so the dosages would be different depending on the consumption method?).
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1 gram straight or brewed. You won't get 100 % DMT in the brew, but it will hit faster, so you will be tripping if you have dosed correctly with harmalas.

This is just rough guideline for your initial dose. Once you get the idea on how strong the experience is you can adjust the dosage. If you are high on harmalas you don't need so much DMT.
 
Thank you both!

Another question: How long do you wait to drink the brew after consuming the SR? Most of what I read suggests 20-30 minutes, but I have also seen suggestions to wait 45 minutes to an hour?
 
psychonautt said:
Thank you both!

Another question: How long do you wait to drink the brew after consuming the SR? Most of what I read suggests 20-30 minutes, but I have also seen suggestions to wait 45 minutes to an hour?
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Again depends in which form you consume the Syrian rue. If it's liquid it hits faster, if you consume powderized seeds, it takes longer. 45 min should be pretty good regardless of the method. Once you get to know the harmalas you will notice when they hit
 
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