Elrik
Rising Star
Now that we have established methods to reliably obtain reasonably pure harmine, harmaline, and THH it makes sense to have a thread about examinations of their uses and differences.
My observations to date are not backed by dozens of trials of the pure alkaloids, so they should be viewed as tentative, but it may be a starting point for people to share and compare their observations.
I tried THH hydrochloride dihydrate (THH.HCl) on its own first.
At 100 mg I felt normal at first and by the 1 hour mark I noticed I was in an uncharacteristically good mood. This elevated mood lasted for several hours before slowly fading away. There was no anorexia or stoning, if I had been dosed without my knowledge I probably wouldnt have figured it out. But I might take this dose before a date or a concert.
At 200 mg I started to feel 'something' at one hour, over the next hour that progressed to a mild psychedelic feel, gentle body high, and again a good mood. These effects lasted a couple hours. Some slight ataxia did manifest with the body high.
100 mg THH + 200 mg harmine was much like the previous trial but with a more distinct (but still easily handled) body high.
Next I started combining in the NMT/DMT with my purified alkaloids, dosages are expressed as the gram equivalents of the ACRB I extracted and I always fast 18 hours before hand. As a preface, my past DMT experience has been with using NMT/DMT from ACRB orally with a relatively high dose of harmaline/harmine mix from P. harmala (generally 240 mg as the hydrochloride). In those dozen trips I started low, worked up to two 20 gram doses, and settled on 12 grams as a happy medium.
My 240 mg harmine.HCl followed 3 minutes later with 12 g ACRB trial was a bit spotty. It kicked in by 50 minutes but I vomited at 60, which was odd as I almost never vomited before, and I could taste and smell the DMT so that probably effected the strength of the trip. Pupil dilation was very inconsistent. Peak visuals was soon after vomiting and visuals had concluded by 2 hours. The whole trip was several hours shorter than my harmaline/harmine trips. I think my body just rejected this one for some reason.
Next I predosed with 150 mg THH.HCl one hour early, so its peak would overlap with the DMT peak, and then I took 240 mg harmine.HCl followed 3 minutes later with 12 g ACRB. I followed this with a bit of crystallized ginger to help prevent nausea and encourage digestion of the DMT. Holy god, that hit me like a sack of rainbow colored bricks. I was feeling it at 15 minutes and rocketing up, with visuals, at 20 minutes. I got another piece of ginger down as I felt nausea and managed to get to a dark room by 30 minutes where I spent several hours trying to survive a very strong trip. Vomiting occurred at 1 hour 30 but I'm not surprised, this trip left my previous 20 gram trips in the dust. And I still just kept going deeper after vomiting. It felt way too strong but the visuals were fantastic angular geometric designs made of full spectrum rainbows starting in neon red going through to neon blue. Wonderful richness in color variety. The anxiety from the shocking intensity was a bummer tho. This trip was a couple hours shorter than my previous harmaline/harmine trips.
That last one just wiped the floor with me so I dialed down the dosage. I still predosed 1 hour early with 150 mg THH.HCl but then took 180 mg harmine.HCl and 8.5 g ACRB alks plus a piece of sweet ginger to be consistent. Again I was feeling it at 15 minutes and had CEVs before 30 minutes and soon retired to the dark. Strong nausea hit before the peak but I didnt vomit this time and I spent the next several hours squirming in the dark listening to music. CEVs lasted a bit past the 5 hour mark. This 8.5 gram trip was still stronger than my previous 12 gram trips, perhaps on par with the 16's. Again the trip was a couple hours shorter than past trips.
Removing the harmaline from my mixes seems to cause quite a tendency toward purging.
Removing the harmaline also completely removed the powerful photophobia I had always got before. On harmaline dominated trips my pupils would dilate Huge and light would hurt. On harmine or THH+harmine my pupils only dilate half as much and light doesnt hurt. Moreover, without the harmaline I dont get any disoriented brain fog. Anxiety, sure, but my mental faculties are still intact, even if my vocabulary is reduced to 'holy shit, oh my god'.
Predosing with THH seems to make everything hit much faster. CEVs start in distinctly earlier, peak starts earlier, and I just rocket up into the peak. It also makes the DMT far more potent, easily cutting the needed dose in half.
My psychedelic vacation is over now but at some future point I intend to include low to moderate doses of harmaline to see how it plays with the others. I also intend to see if a 4 gram ACRB dose would actually be worthwhile now. THH may save me money!
Thoughts? Experiences? Refutations?
My observations to date are not backed by dozens of trials of the pure alkaloids, so they should be viewed as tentative, but it may be a starting point for people to share and compare their observations.
I tried THH hydrochloride dihydrate (THH.HCl) on its own first.
At 100 mg I felt normal at first and by the 1 hour mark I noticed I was in an uncharacteristically good mood. This elevated mood lasted for several hours before slowly fading away. There was no anorexia or stoning, if I had been dosed without my knowledge I probably wouldnt have figured it out. But I might take this dose before a date or a concert.
At 200 mg I started to feel 'something' at one hour, over the next hour that progressed to a mild psychedelic feel, gentle body high, and again a good mood. These effects lasted a couple hours. Some slight ataxia did manifest with the body high.
100 mg THH + 200 mg harmine was much like the previous trial but with a more distinct (but still easily handled) body high.
Next I started combining in the NMT/DMT with my purified alkaloids, dosages are expressed as the gram equivalents of the ACRB I extracted and I always fast 18 hours before hand. As a preface, my past DMT experience has been with using NMT/DMT from ACRB orally with a relatively high dose of harmaline/harmine mix from P. harmala (generally 240 mg as the hydrochloride). In those dozen trips I started low, worked up to two 20 gram doses, and settled on 12 grams as a happy medium.
My 240 mg harmine.HCl followed 3 minutes later with 12 g ACRB trial was a bit spotty. It kicked in by 50 minutes but I vomited at 60, which was odd as I almost never vomited before, and I could taste and smell the DMT so that probably effected the strength of the trip. Pupil dilation was very inconsistent. Peak visuals was soon after vomiting and visuals had concluded by 2 hours. The whole trip was several hours shorter than my harmaline/harmine trips. I think my body just rejected this one for some reason.
Next I predosed with 150 mg THH.HCl one hour early, so its peak would overlap with the DMT peak, and then I took 240 mg harmine.HCl followed 3 minutes later with 12 g ACRB. I followed this with a bit of crystallized ginger to help prevent nausea and encourage digestion of the DMT. Holy god, that hit me like a sack of rainbow colored bricks. I was feeling it at 15 minutes and rocketing up, with visuals, at 20 minutes. I got another piece of ginger down as I felt nausea and managed to get to a dark room by 30 minutes where I spent several hours trying to survive a very strong trip. Vomiting occurred at 1 hour 30 but I'm not surprised, this trip left my previous 20 gram trips in the dust. And I still just kept going deeper after vomiting. It felt way too strong but the visuals were fantastic angular geometric designs made of full spectrum rainbows starting in neon red going through to neon blue. Wonderful richness in color variety. The anxiety from the shocking intensity was a bummer tho. This trip was a couple hours shorter than my previous harmaline/harmine trips.
That last one just wiped the floor with me so I dialed down the dosage. I still predosed 1 hour early with 150 mg THH.HCl but then took 180 mg harmine.HCl and 8.5 g ACRB alks plus a piece of sweet ginger to be consistent. Again I was feeling it at 15 minutes and had CEVs before 30 minutes and soon retired to the dark. Strong nausea hit before the peak but I didnt vomit this time and I spent the next several hours squirming in the dark listening to music. CEVs lasted a bit past the 5 hour mark. This 8.5 gram trip was still stronger than my previous 12 gram trips, perhaps on par with the 16's. Again the trip was a couple hours shorter than past trips.
Removing the harmaline from my mixes seems to cause quite a tendency toward purging.
Removing the harmaline also completely removed the powerful photophobia I had always got before. On harmaline dominated trips my pupils would dilate Huge and light would hurt. On harmine or THH+harmine my pupils only dilate half as much and light doesnt hurt. Moreover, without the harmaline I dont get any disoriented brain fog. Anxiety, sure, but my mental faculties are still intact, even if my vocabulary is reduced to 'holy shit, oh my god'.
Predosing with THH seems to make everything hit much faster. CEVs start in distinctly earlier, peak starts earlier, and I just rocket up into the peak. It also makes the DMT far more potent, easily cutting the needed dose in half.
My psychedelic vacation is over now but at some future point I intend to include low to moderate doses of harmaline to see how it plays with the others. I also intend to see if a 4 gram ACRB dose would actually be worthwhile now. THH may save me money!
Thoughts? Experiences? Refutations?