Mushroom/Caapi Experience - 'In the O'

[Swarupa]

Last night i took 4g of cubensis mushrooms in a tea, after about 4/5 hours into it i was meditating with quite an intense focus and was having beautiful visions of this lattice of eyes that somehow felt cosmic, then out of nowhere the experienced increased in intensity a thousand fold for ~20 minutes.

The only experience i can compare it to is when on a high dose of DMT getting the 'breath of fire' as my breathing went extremely deep & hard, it felt like every cell in my body had so much energy coarsing through them, pins & needles/vibration were felt all over, from the bottom of my toes to the tip of my nose. My body was also thrown into yogic style asanas. I can't see how the human body could channel that energy any more without evolving more, or of course actually dying. This felt right at the limit of purifcation, it seemed that my body/mind could not have possibly been purged any harder.

Once it had set in it was like an orgasm that went on for about 15 minutes, which can sound nice but it was very intense as it seemed endless. When talking to my friends afterwards one of them mentioned the term 'in the O' which captured it very well.

I thought that i'd come here to report this as the only experience i could compare it to is vaped DMT. I've taken mushrooms many times but never had anything quite like this happen. It's worth mentioning that on this night i'd previously smoked a joint of pure caapi leaf, with a small amount of 10x caapi leaf extract mixed in, even though it was ~1hr prior i'm fairly sure this could have contributed to this very intense experience.

When actually smoking the caapi leaf i felt nothing more than slight waves of increasing psilocybin effects, which was nice but i had to smoke it very hard. I'm wondering if maybe a couple of hours later the MAOI in some caapi residue on my lungs became activated by deep breathing during meditation which then caused the psilocybin left in my system to break down slowly.

Next time i will try meditating on mushrooms alone & see if anything similar happens, until then i'm more & more convinced it was the caapi playing a part...

Has anyone had a similar experience on mushrooms with or without a caapi influence?

 

[joedirt]

On that night i smoked a joint of caapi leaf, with a small amount of 10x caapi leaf extract mixed in, im wondering if this could have caused these purges?

It only happened when i meditated & when smoking the caapi leaf i felt nothing at all, but im wondering if maybe a couple hours later the caapi residue on my lungs got activated by deep breathing during meditation which then caused the psilocybin left in my system to break down very slowly causing me to have a 'total purge' experience

Next time i will try meditating on mushrooms alone & see if it happens, until then im more & more convinced it was the caapi in my lungs playing a role

Has anyone had a similar experience on mushrooms without a caapi influence?

I've had a couple of similar experiences! In fact these experiences are why I eat mushrooms!

Every time I have done this it has been with meditation.

The first time I laid in bed watching the typical shroom visions when I said, "What am I?".
The visions slowed down to a single static image.

I asked again, "What am I?".
The vision turned dark and I was enveloped in an emptiness.

One more time I asked, "What am I?".
The next 20 minutes where the most amazing of my life. The dark switched to light and the presence of the light began to multiple in my consciousness until I was completely over taken with the light. The tiny ego of me slipped away as cosmic consciousness over took me. I could simultaneously dance with galaxies countless light years away while at the same time I was infinitely aware of every atom vibrating throughout my own body here on earth. The love and rapture that poured from every cell was almost more than my being could take.

When I came out of this experience I was turned face down in prayer position completely enraptured with worship for all of creation.

The after glow lasted 5 full days. It was a relatively small dose of shrooms, if I recall about 2.5 grams.

Meditation and shrooms = Godhead/samadhi/satori/

Peace...and welcome back.

 

[jamie]

Mushrooms are underestimated I think by many people. They can take me farther out there than I could ever imagine.

The only thing that can connect me deeper to infinity is ayahuasca..however when I combined mushrooms with caapi that was on par with ayahuasca just lasts so long(and maybe not as much afterglow due to tolerance buidling seratonin effects)..Mushrooms are like oral DMT without maoi's as far as I am concerned. The thing that sets ayahuasca apart is the beta carbolines..we all know how far out DMT alone can shoot you and mushrooms can do the same thing..when you add the beta carbolines you get an extra personal dialogue that seems more trained in human affairs or something. the harmalas also add an extra vibrational dimension to how tryptamines work on your energy body I think, that is how I percieve it anyway..it is like adding some sort of program that filters the high high vibrations of the tryptamines and converts them and directs them to where they are needed. I can feel this happening when I purge with harmalas and tryptamines.

I have had many people tell me mushrooms are weaker than acid, that mescaline is stronger than psilocybin or that mushrooms cant produce visions etc..I dunno what that is about. I once had a guy at the beach on mushrooms tell me I could not be on mescaline at the time becasue people on mescaline are usually delerious..while he sits there sipping his beer on the beach causually on shrooms..

I have died on mushrooms and begged and cried for my life on mushrooms, literally. They actaully frighten me these days becasue they can last so long compared to ayahuasca.

Smoking caapi leaf does for sure have a positive effect on a mushroom experience. It feels subtle at first and seems to build up and then 15 minutes later I realize the effect is has on the experience.

I only combined mushrooms and caapi brew once..and it was very powerful. I also smoked some changa that night when the mushrooms peaked and it was very very weird and one of the most alien and slimy(almost like slugs from space) experiences I have had.

 

[Swarupa]

I really do think the caapi played a part because ive taken mushrooms many times before & not had anything near this, i know many a mushroom trip is overwhelming but this was as intense as vaporized DMT, if not more! It felt like a total purge of energy, happening at 4/5 hours into the trip in a few sudden 15 minute flashes... i just feel something must be different as psilocin doesn't usually act like that in my body no matter how much i take or how intensely i meditate, it's usually a fast onset then a long slow come down.

The only thing that tells me it wasn't the caapi is that ive smoked bowl after bowl of the plain leaf on a mushroom trip before & i felt its presence nicely when holding the smoke in.

I'm really looking forward to taking mushrooms again, not smoking any caapi, and seeing if this happens when i meditate in the same way, i want to get to the bottom of it, i'll definitely report back

 

[jamie]

yeah both mushrooms and ayahuasca have taken me past where I have been with vaped DMT. I understand how for some people who have never really pushed it with these oral tryptamines it can be hard to imagine that..I once ate a hand full of psilocybe cyanescens and broke through completely and lost all awareness of my body for a brief period of time. I came to laying down on the forest floor with my friends standing all around me. I have little segments of memory concerning where I was when I broke though and it was deeper than anything I have experiences with vaped DMT..only one time has vaped DMT gotten close to that place. I think the only time that compares is my ayahuasca experience 2 days ago..and also when I took those cyanescens I heard the carrier wave louder than any time I have smoked..I was slapping at my head right before I went out becasue I believed I had walked head first into a bee hive. The only other time that the carrier wave surpassed that level was also 2 days ago with ayahuasca.

It is amazing how both these 2 tryptamines can take to that same exact place..bufotenine which is almost identical to psilocin with only a 5ho group instead of a 4ho group as the only difference just does not do this at any dose in my expereine. I dont know about 5meoDMT..but it sounds different as well. Something abotu psilocybin/psilocin and DMT that binds them together as 2 gatekeepers of the exact same space.

 

[MooshyPeaches]

i also have had such a experience with mushies, 5g dried; lemon tek.

at the peak i was having full on OEV's in a pitch black room with 'cartoonish, quick sketches' entities that would move around very animated like and would show me complex paradox's, unraveling existence

 

[Swarupa]

Ok, so i took some mushrooms again last weekend and came to that same point of white light with eyes blooming out of the light, an awesome visual that i seem to be able to reliably reach yet not go beyond at the moment... but this time there was no full blown intensity like previously, it felt like it was bordering on it at times but it didn't happen, so i really think that the 10x caapi influenced it previously.

 

[Swarupa]

I know how cliche it is to say 'i saw this alex grey painting when tripping' but this pretty much exactly captures a still of what i was seeing, only the human faces weren't there, just eyes

 

[Dark_Star]

The eyes have made many an appearance in my journeys, from LSD to mushrooms. Usually when shit gets real.....that's when they show up, and I come out of the experience with a lesson learned. The one that really stands out is when I lost my fear of spiders.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

The eyes have made many an appearance in my journeys, from LSD to mushrooms. Usually when shit gets real.....that's when they show up, and I come out of the experience with a lesson learned. The one that really stands out is when I lost my fear of spiders.

how did that happen? I am arachnophobic myself.
But on the subject of the mushrooms, I have experienced the eyes once before, and it was during a 4g trip. Was listening to entheogenic and shpongle, and the eyes starter coming out of the walls and carpet and everything else, and started looking back and forth as well as growing and shrinking, like bulging out, all to the time of the music. Was very interesting. Didn't really produce a message to mw though that time.

 

[Dark_Star]

I actually just described this experience on another message board. I'm just going to copy/paste that write up here. I hope you don't mind.




"This one was years before the previous story. It was a January night, but a warm one. Well, it was coldish, but warm enough for a storm that wasn't snow. I'd dropped a few hits of blotter. Pink elephants as I recall. I had an amazing time laying in bed while listening to the rain hitting my skylight, and the wind whipping around the house. The wind was really intense; it sounded/felt like the house was going to come apart. The rain was breathtakingly beautiful. It was it's own music, and it was constantly changing tempo & intensity. The whole experience was 100% modulated by the rain.

A few hours into it I smoked a bowl of hash. As usual, I had forgotten that smoked cannabis takes 15 minutes to peak. I just felt good immediately, and therefore kept on toking. Pot & psychedelics together was often dicey for me. Sometimes I couldn't even feel the weed at all, other times it launched me. I always made sure I took enough of whatever psychedelic I was on that I didn't need to smoke. I'd blaze on the comedown, but that's it. This time I was still peaking, and I got caught up in hitting the bowl. Then I realized how high I was, and recalled how intense that combination can get. Whoops.

I knew I was going on a journey, and I knew that nothing I could do would stop that, so I struggled to throw on some Grateful Dead (Closing of the Winterland, disc 3) to guide me through it. My mind was going so fast that this was a serious chore. I could feel the energy literally ripping through my body & soul. There were also these really weird looking beings all up in my face, telepathically letting me know that they had something to show me. Each time I spaced out they telepathically prodded me, telling me to get the show on the road. Finally I got it together & just let go. It was intense. Really intense. As in salvia-type shit going on. Way more then I had bargained for that night. A lot went down; I saw the battle between good & evil played out on a cosmic scale, as well as on a planetary scale, as well as on an internal scale. I'm not going to get into all of that though. The whole purpose of me telling this story is just one piece of this experience;

I was always scared of spiders. My older sister has a phobia of them, to where she used to puke whenever she saw one. I think that may have rubbed off on me. I never puked or anything like that, but I was seriously terrified of spiders. At this point in the trip I had absolutely no connection to reality. It didn't matter if my eyes were opened or closed, visually shit was going bananas. There was a mock anti-drug meme that someone had made on the Shroomery. It had the picture of a really spooked kid, captioned by "fucking spiders everywhere". It was pretty funny, and it popped into my head. I cracked up hysterically........then you can imagine what happened. Yup, f***ing spiders everywhere. Everywhere I looked I saw spiders of all shapes & sizes exploding out of thin air & leaping at me. I could feel them. Needless to say I started losing my shit. This was my worst nightmare come true.

In the midst of all of this I heard a voice. That voice said God is Love. I latched onto it & began repeatedly saying Love over & over again. That's what I needed. Love. Love is the answer. So I focused deep within myself & summoned up Love for the spiders. I told the spiders that I loved them, then I felt that love. I poured my Love out into the air around me & into the spiders. As I did so, the spiders vanished in a crescendo of colors starting with purples, violets & pinks, and elevating into other colors. I remember silvers, golds, etc....... Eventually it peaked at white & there was this incredible release. Thousands of eyes were gently spinning around the room, smiling at me, and I felt a great peace. Those eyes have made many appearances in my various psychedelic experiences.

A lot more happened that night, but this is what really stands out, all these years later. You see, when I came down from that trip I was no longer afraid of spiders. This holds true to today. Now I have an appreciation for them, and seeing them often brings a smile to my face."