Josh-v
Rising Star
Hi all,
Been skulking around these forums for sometime, never really posting anything. I been working with DMT for about a decade and in the last year have also began working with Salvinorin-A.
These two substances have become my greatest allies. As many of you know, they are very different from each other but I wanted to deeply explore how whilst being as objective as possible. There are alot of misconceptions with Salvia, but as I began working with it much later then I did with DMT I think that helped me see it differently.
One could simply call Salvia as "The experience of the lower and fundamental architecture and processes behind consciousness, mind and consequently reality".
In my experience, the effects and hallucinations of Salvia differ greatly from substances of equally intense nature such as DMT. In contrast to DMT, which always felt cosmic, alien or a higher dimension of consciousness, the “salvia space” appeared almost polar opposite. This left me with the impression that it is something fundament real and extremely close to normal existence. Like it exists just behind the curtain of the consensus model and is deeply connected to it, or the consensus model is imbedded within.
Let me try to explain…
DMT as it begins to take over awareness, floods the mind with new information. A basic description could be, transforming geometric hallucinations growing in vividness and complexity until they eventually reach a point in which the consensus model of reality is “overwhelmed”. This gives the impression one has ‘broken through” into a new dimension as these geometric hallucinations form elaborate alien constructs, spaces and beings which are independent of the consensus model. In my experience it feels as though I am submerged into a pool of water (i.e., water being this geometric dimension) which dissolves me of my regular awareness.
With salvia it’s much more difficult to explain, you are not submerged in water but rather you become the water.
Another analogy which I find helpful is thinking of existence or consensus reality as film playing out on a television or a movie set. Salvia seems to disrupt the neurological processes maintaining the film, resulting in the experience of the wires, processes and architecture “behind the scenes”. This gives the impression that one has caused mind/reality to collapse or the film to come to an end, which as a result begins disassembling back into its fundamental mechanical architecture. It feels as though my mind is transforming into something else rather than mind entering something else.
To contrast this with DMT, I don’t feel myself leaving my body in a sort of spirited or energetic sort of way, or my consciousness dissolving into a more pure and unified form
Rather it feels as one’s consciousness is collapsing into more fundamental and abstract dimensions of itself. I find DMT leaves self and mental processes mostly intact, in a way that I am still cognitively myself. This leads to an experience that one is immersed within another dimension but is experiencing the visionary content like looking at it with eyes or hearing it with ears (even though they are not). While with salvia, I am not “seeing” something, I don’t see anything at all as I am not separate from the experience. Instead, my mind becomes the hallucinations, architecture and machinescapes, sort of like a hypervivid daydream or intense mental imagery rather than visuals. You FEEL and BECOME the hyperdimensional architecture, as if the construction or fundamental blueprint of mind itself transforms and dissembles into an abstract machinescape, along with normal mental processing and sense of self.
This mindscape/machinescape dimension which I refer to as “the factory” (as many others do as well) has a plot and nature which feels incredibly familiar, as well as having a simple, child-like and cartoon aesthetic. It is strange and twisted almost comical, containing the entities resembling ominous clowns or tricksters performing some sort of hyperdimensional and abstract processing within the fundamental architectural dimensional behind existence.
One has a "physical" form in this dimension, something which is abstract and alien, but simultaneously extremely familiar. As the mind disassembles so does the perceived physical form, reverting back to some basic fundamental blueprint of itself, something which is a part and imbedded within this dimension. I would not necessarily say I am no longer human; it almost feels I become something more human than human. A sort of plastic figurine “toy” with no complex thought and understanding, an empty shell or mechanical blueprint of humanity. A body without a mind being “processed” within this architectural dimension (e.g., flattened to 2-dimensions and rolled up, twisted into shapes which fit into machines).
Unlike DMT, the experience lacks lucidity, and separation. This is due to mind and self-transforming, becoming and merging into the architecture and narrative, as the model of reality and existence is stripped away. Thus, thoughts and feelings which are experienced are not your own but rather the result of this entirely new state of existence and dimension of consciousness. Self goes through hyperdimensional fragmentation, deforming and transforming into something else.
One could describe the state as dream-like, similar in the way that plots within dreams are believable and often are independent or disconnected from reality. The salvia state is similar in the way it pulls the mind disassembles into an extremely strange and abstract situation and plot which is fully accepted as truth. However, it also differs to dreams in the way it manifests. In my experience reality is not simply replaced like in dream (e.g., one film ends, and another begins). Rather it explores an intermediate state between films, the dissembling of existence/life or like I have described here, the wires, functions and processes behind the show. This often manifests as experiencing the consensus model of mind being processed, transformed and disassembling into a more fundamental factory dimension behind it (as if it was all built from it). As if your awareness expanded out from the film on the TV to see that it was a product of the machinery within, or the film is ending, and the set is being taken apart.
Similar to DMT, this mindscape is inhabited. Beings and intelligences orchestrate and organise the processes and phenomena. I never recall “seeing” these entities clearly like I do on DMT. They appear to be the only things separate from myself. I become the hyperdimensional architecture, but they and their machines are not part of it but rather they are the ones that processes it. The factory workers processing the fundamental fabric of existence. They appear extremely large, non-humanoid, shadowy and genderless. They seem clownish and trickster-like, usually communicating in a chanting-singing rhythm which correlates with the mechanical motions and processing they control. They seem to be critical to the function and maintenance of this dimension, playing a direct role in the assembly, organisation, manipulation and disassembly of one’s existence here. The factory workers of the fundamental architecture behind consciousness, reality, and existence. Our lives are parts of their machinery and things they are processing. The maintenance workers and intelligences which manage the wires, processes and functions in the set which sustains the show.
Been skulking around these forums for sometime, never really posting anything. I been working with DMT for about a decade and in the last year have also began working with Salvinorin-A.
These two substances have become my greatest allies. As many of you know, they are very different from each other but I wanted to deeply explore how whilst being as objective as possible. There are alot of misconceptions with Salvia, but as I began working with it much later then I did with DMT I think that helped me see it differently.
One could simply call Salvia as "The experience of the lower and fundamental architecture and processes behind consciousness, mind and consequently reality".
In my experience, the effects and hallucinations of Salvia differ greatly from substances of equally intense nature such as DMT. In contrast to DMT, which always felt cosmic, alien or a higher dimension of consciousness, the “salvia space” appeared almost polar opposite. This left me with the impression that it is something fundament real and extremely close to normal existence. Like it exists just behind the curtain of the consensus model and is deeply connected to it, or the consensus model is imbedded within.
Let me try to explain…
DMT as it begins to take over awareness, floods the mind with new information. A basic description could be, transforming geometric hallucinations growing in vividness and complexity until they eventually reach a point in which the consensus model of reality is “overwhelmed”. This gives the impression one has ‘broken through” into a new dimension as these geometric hallucinations form elaborate alien constructs, spaces and beings which are independent of the consensus model. In my experience it feels as though I am submerged into a pool of water (i.e., water being this geometric dimension) which dissolves me of my regular awareness.
With salvia it’s much more difficult to explain, you are not submerged in water but rather you become the water.
Another analogy which I find helpful is thinking of existence or consensus reality as film playing out on a television or a movie set. Salvia seems to disrupt the neurological processes maintaining the film, resulting in the experience of the wires, processes and architecture “behind the scenes”. This gives the impression that one has caused mind/reality to collapse or the film to come to an end, which as a result begins disassembling back into its fundamental mechanical architecture. It feels as though my mind is transforming into something else rather than mind entering something else.
To contrast this with DMT, I don’t feel myself leaving my body in a sort of spirited or energetic sort of way, or my consciousness dissolving into a more pure and unified form
Rather it feels as one’s consciousness is collapsing into more fundamental and abstract dimensions of itself. I find DMT leaves self and mental processes mostly intact, in a way that I am still cognitively myself. This leads to an experience that one is immersed within another dimension but is experiencing the visionary content like looking at it with eyes or hearing it with ears (even though they are not). While with salvia, I am not “seeing” something, I don’t see anything at all as I am not separate from the experience. Instead, my mind becomes the hallucinations, architecture and machinescapes, sort of like a hypervivid daydream or intense mental imagery rather than visuals. You FEEL and BECOME the hyperdimensional architecture, as if the construction or fundamental blueprint of mind itself transforms and dissembles into an abstract machinescape, along with normal mental processing and sense of self.
This mindscape/machinescape dimension which I refer to as “the factory” (as many others do as well) has a plot and nature which feels incredibly familiar, as well as having a simple, child-like and cartoon aesthetic. It is strange and twisted almost comical, containing the entities resembling ominous clowns or tricksters performing some sort of hyperdimensional and abstract processing within the fundamental architectural dimensional behind existence.
One has a "physical" form in this dimension, something which is abstract and alien, but simultaneously extremely familiar. As the mind disassembles so does the perceived physical form, reverting back to some basic fundamental blueprint of itself, something which is a part and imbedded within this dimension. I would not necessarily say I am no longer human; it almost feels I become something more human than human. A sort of plastic figurine “toy” with no complex thought and understanding, an empty shell or mechanical blueprint of humanity. A body without a mind being “processed” within this architectural dimension (e.g., flattened to 2-dimensions and rolled up, twisted into shapes which fit into machines).
Unlike DMT, the experience lacks lucidity, and separation. This is due to mind and self-transforming, becoming and merging into the architecture and narrative, as the model of reality and existence is stripped away. Thus, thoughts and feelings which are experienced are not your own but rather the result of this entirely new state of existence and dimension of consciousness. Self goes through hyperdimensional fragmentation, deforming and transforming into something else.
One could describe the state as dream-like, similar in the way that plots within dreams are believable and often are independent or disconnected from reality. The salvia state is similar in the way it pulls the mind disassembles into an extremely strange and abstract situation and plot which is fully accepted as truth. However, it also differs to dreams in the way it manifests. In my experience reality is not simply replaced like in dream (e.g., one film ends, and another begins). Rather it explores an intermediate state between films, the dissembling of existence/life or like I have described here, the wires, functions and processes behind the show. This often manifests as experiencing the consensus model of mind being processed, transformed and disassembling into a more fundamental factory dimension behind it (as if it was all built from it). As if your awareness expanded out from the film on the TV to see that it was a product of the machinery within, or the film is ending, and the set is being taken apart.
Similar to DMT, this mindscape is inhabited. Beings and intelligences orchestrate and organise the processes and phenomena. I never recall “seeing” these entities clearly like I do on DMT. They appear to be the only things separate from myself. I become the hyperdimensional architecture, but they and their machines are not part of it but rather they are the ones that processes it. The factory workers processing the fundamental fabric of existence. They appear extremely large, non-humanoid, shadowy and genderless. They seem clownish and trickster-like, usually communicating in a chanting-singing rhythm which correlates with the mechanical motions and processing they control. They seem to be critical to the function and maintenance of this dimension, playing a direct role in the assembly, organisation, manipulation and disassembly of one’s existence here. The factory workers of the fundamental architecture behind consciousness, reality, and existence. Our lives are parts of their machinery and things they are processing. The maintenance workers and intelligences which manage the wires, processes and functions in the set which sustains the show.
