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I am looking to convince others that certain claims about our universe are unfounded, or more correctly show why they are unfounded. What they do with this information I guess is eventually up to them. Matter of fact is that we can't just claim anything and expect it to be right, or expect that no one points out why this is necessary not the case, or probably not the case at all. You as a scientist I think should know and understand this.

I am keeping myself to the most honest "truths" that we seem to have about our universe, mainly what the progress of science reveals at the time being. Certain things cannot be answered yet by science, perhaps never, and I realize this. But science has something to say when people claim fine-tuning and intelligent-design in our universe, and I am here to represent that. In fact, intelligent design and fine-tuning are pretty concrete claims about stuff that physics and science deals with, and physics is my field.

As I said in my post above, I am not trying to disprove fine-tuning or intelligent design, as it would be impossible. I am trying to show why these claims are unlikely to be true with our current picture of the universe. Perhaps they will prove to be true someday, though I doubt it, and if so is the case I will humbly step down from my position and say I was wrong. I would actually be thrilled if that was what the evidence consistently would show us.

Another one of my motivations is that I like to discuss with Hyperspace Fool about issues we both care about, though from different perspectives. I actually learn alot, I am being challenged as well and so I get carried along.

I have seen you as well joedirt, point out certain things when people claim something around on the forum. So I may ask you the same question, why point it out? When someone comes with incorrect claims about what your field of biology currently states is the case, why do you care to point it out? To put it to the extreme, the question can also be why even educate people?

I mean no harm here, joedirt, and I sincerely hope you don't think I do. It's just debate, and people do it all the time debating politics, debating philosophy, debating science, debating hallucinogens and the list goes on forever. What is wrong with that? =)

Also, I guess I am quite a geek

<blockquote data-quote="Citta" data-source="post: 3505391" data-attributes="member: 3149">I am looking to convince others that certain claims about our universe are unfounded, or more correctly show why they are unfounded. What they do with this information I guess is eventually up to them. Matter of fact is that we can&#039;t just claim anything and expect it to be right, or expect that no one points out why this is necessary not the case, or probably not the case at all. You as a scientist I think should know and understand this.I am keeping myself to the most honest &quot;truths&quot; that we seem to have about our universe, mainly what the progress of science reveals at the time being. Certain things cannot be answered yet by science, perhaps never, and I realize this. But science has something to say when people claim fine-tuning and intelligent-design in our universe, and I am here to represent that. In fact, intelligent design and fine-tuning are pretty concrete claims about stuff that physics and science deals with, and physics is my field.&nbsp;&nbsp; As I said in my post above, I am not trying to disprove fine-tuning or intelligent design, as it would be impossible. I am trying to show why these claims are unlikely to be true with our current picture of the universe. Perhaps they will prove to be true someday, though I doubt it, and if so is the case I will humbly step down from my position and say I was wrong. I would actually be thrilled if that was what the evidence consistently would show us.&nbsp; Another one of my motivations is that I like to discuss with Hyperspace Fool about issues we both care about, though from different perspectives. I actually learn alot, I am being challenged as well and so I get carried along. I have seen you as well joedirt, point out certain things when people claim something around on the forum. So I may ask you the same question, why point it out? When someone comes with incorrect claims about what your field of biology currently states is the case, why do you care to point it out? To put it to the extreme, the question can also be why even educate people?I mean no harm here, joedirt, and I sincerely hope you don&#039;t think I do. It&#039;s just debate, and people do it all the time debating politics, debating philosophy, debating science, debating hallucinogens and the list goes on forever. What is wrong with that? =)Also, I guess I am quite a geek <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Citta, post: 3505391, member: 3149"] I am looking to convince others that certain claims about our universe are unfounded, or more correctly show why they are unfounded. What they do with this information I guess is eventually up to them. Matter of fact is that we can't just claim anything and expect it to be right, or expect that no one points out why this is necessary not the case, or probably not the case at all. You as a scientist I think should know and understand this. I am keeping myself to the most honest "truths" that we seem to have about our universe, mainly what the progress of science reveals at the time being. Certain things cannot be answered yet by science, perhaps never, and I realize this. But science has something to say when people claim fine-tuning and intelligent-design in our universe, and I am here to represent that. In fact, intelligent design and fine-tuning are pretty concrete claims about stuff that physics and science deals with, and physics is my field. As I said in my post above, I am not trying to disprove fine-tuning or intelligent design, as it would be impossible. I am trying to show why these claims are unlikely to be true with our current picture of the universe. Perhaps they will prove to be true someday, though I doubt it, and if so is the case I will humbly step down from my position and say I was wrong. I would actually be thrilled if that was what the evidence consistently would show us. Another one of my motivations is that I like to discuss with Hyperspace Fool about issues we both care about, though from different perspectives. I actually learn alot, I am being challenged as well and so I get carried along. I have seen you as well joedirt, point out certain things when people claim something around on the forum. So I may ask you the same question, why point it out? When someone comes with incorrect claims about what your field of biology currently states is the case, why do you care to point it out? To put it to the extreme, the question can also be why even educate people? I mean no harm here, joedirt, and I sincerely hope you don't think I do. It's just debate, and people do it all the time debating politics, debating philosophy, debating science, debating hallucinogens and the list goes on forever. What is wrong with that? =) Also, I guess I am quite a geek :D [/QUOTE]