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Damn me...no I won't let it go.

What do you think made this magical place you are so enamored with? you say because it's magical it doesn't need a creator...then please give me your occams razor's best answer...Cause from my view the simplest answer to explain exactly how this all came to be is a creator...or a creative force...something. Something beyond the material realm had to exist before the material realm came to be. I'm using occams' razor.Creators begat creations. Show many any thing from the material world that doesn't follow that fundamental truth..anything.

You say no need for magic, and I say it is all FUCKING magic. Every single last aspect of all of it is magic. You can't make it. I can't make it. I know of one that can make, and no on else know's of anyone else that can make it. yet it's here. Show me anything that more resembles magic than you. Or me. Or anything you can observe.

You materialists are so freaking limited in you view of what's possible it's honestly just down right painful at times. I say that as a scientist. Someone who has essentially dedicated his life to studying the material world....yet I can see this plainly as day.

Forget God and every stupid ass thing you ever heard about it. Check your ego at the door. You know nothing and shouldn't even pretend to. Humble yourself.

Let's focus on you. What are you? Where did you come from...your parents...sure...now follow that logic to it's ultimate conclusion.

Man the profound obvious is literally smacking you in the face. It's stoking your "I despise creationist" ego.

You would rather buy some theory about a giant bang..and then magically life appears. LOL. Than a theory about a creator that sets the rules and makes it go bang? Whatever. Where is your occams razor for the question of what made it go bang? Everythign in this universe was created by something. All of it. I don't care if you don't like it. You were created. Your mom was created. Every atom in your body came into existance from something. CREATION IS THE ONLY REALITY that you actually know of. Prove otherwise.

What are you? Why do you do anything you do. What was that thought you just had. Why do you disagree with me? Why do you agree with me? What is the foundation behind any thought you have...Seriously? Do you know anythign about the thoughts, views, or emotions you have? Hava you actually ever had a unique individual thought that was your and yours alone?

You claim materialism, but can't explain yourself...dont' bother I know you can't. I can't either.

Flat out. The universe is not a random chance. Life didn't arise from a null set. From nothing comes nothing. Simple as that. There wasn't just a void of nothing before the bang...and then blam...atoms, electrons, quarks, and all the rest of mass just came to be?

Fuck no.

That is God. People can be offended by the word God and that's just fine with me cause it's their mental baggage to deal with. God made this ...all of it. I have no idea how or why, or really even exactly what God is, but I'm past some self inflated scientific ego pretending that I can wrap my mind around why I'm here and some how write it off as being a creation without a creator. LOL...Seriuosly lol. All you aspects of creation wandering around out their denying that you were created! LOL

What do I have? I have this. I have an ego humble enough to realize that my awareness came from something. No scientific theory as of yet has demonstrated the rise of consciousness and free will from in animate matter. Nothing AI even remotely approaches human intelligence nor do I see it ever actually happening. You know what though. If and when when create AI...it will have been created. Just as you were. the only difference is you will be it's God.

Thus for the time being. Occams razor demands that the simplest view is a creator or a creative force. POINT TO ANY THING THAT WASN'T CREATED? You materialist are the ones that are reaching for anything at all to make it so that no God was involved.

I'm have thought about this and debated deleting this post. I am choosing to post it regardless of the fact that I doubt seriously anyone will even take the time to ponder deeply even a single thing I outlined. Your minds are made up just as mine is...and in fact this was my only point to Citta a few posts ago.....I really wasn't going to jump back into this senseless fray.

Ok really am done with it.

Peace.

<blockquote data-quote="joedirt" data-source="post: 3505563" data-attributes="member: 6370">Damn me...no I won&#039;t let it go.What do you think made this magical place you are so enamored with?&nbsp; you say because it&#039;s magical it doesn&#039;t need a creator...then please give me your occams razor&#039;s best answer...Cause from my view the simplest answer to explain exactly how this all came to be is a creator...or a creative force...something.&nbsp; Something beyond the material realm had to exist before the material realm came to be.&nbsp; I&#039;m using occams&#039; razor.Creators begat creations.&nbsp; Show many any thing from the material world that doesn&#039;t follow that fundamental truth..anything.You say no need for magic, and I say it is all FUCKING magic.&nbsp; Every single last aspect of all of it is magic.&nbsp; You can&#039;t make it.&nbsp; I can&#039;t make it.&nbsp; I know of one that can make, and no on else know&#039;s of anyone else that can make it.&nbsp; yet it&#039;s here.&nbsp; Show me anything that more resembles magic than you.&nbsp; Or me.&nbsp; Or anything you can observe.You materialists are so freaking limited in you view of what&#039;s possible it&#039;s honestly just down right painful at times.&nbsp; I say that as a scientist. Someone who has essentially dedicated his life to studying the material world....yet I can see this plainly as day.&nbsp; Forget God and every stupid ass thing you ever heard about it. Check your ego at the door.&nbsp; You know nothing and shouldn&#039;t even pretend to. Humble yourself.&nbsp; Let&#039;s focus on you.&nbsp; What are you?&nbsp; Where did you come from...your parents...sure...now follow that logic to it&#039;s ultimate conclusion.Man the profound obvious is literally smacking you in the face.&nbsp; It&#039;s stoking your &quot;I despise creationist&quot; ego. You would rather buy some theory about a giant bang..and then magically life appears.&nbsp; LOL.&nbsp; Than a theory about a creator that sets the rules and makes it go bang?&nbsp; Whatever.&nbsp; Where is your occams razor for the question of what made it go bang?&nbsp;&nbsp; Everythign in this universe was created by something.&nbsp; All of it.&nbsp; I don&#039;t care if you don&#039;t like it.&nbsp; You were created.&nbsp; Your mom was created.&nbsp; Every atom in your body came into existance from something.&nbsp; CREATION IS THE ONLY REALITY that you actually know of.&nbsp;&nbsp; Prove otherwise. What are you?&nbsp; Why do you do anything you do.&nbsp; What was that thought you just had.&nbsp; Why do you disagree with me?&nbsp; Why do you agree with me?&nbsp; What is the foundation behind any thought you have...Seriously?&nbsp; Do you know anythign about the thoughts, views, or emotions you have?&nbsp; &nbsp; Hava you actually ever had a unique individual thought that was your and yours alone?You claim materialism, but can&#039;t explain yourself...dont&#039; bother I know you can&#039;t.&nbsp; I can&#039;t either. Flat out.&nbsp;&nbsp; The universe is not a random chance.&nbsp; Life didn&#039;t arise from a null set.&nbsp; From nothing comes nothing. Simple as that.&nbsp; There wasn&#039;t just a void of nothing before the bang...and then blam...atoms, electrons, quarks, and all the rest of mass just came to be?&nbsp; Fuck no.&nbsp; That is God.&nbsp; People can be offended by the word God and that&#039;s just fine with me cause it&#039;s their mental baggage to deal with.&nbsp; God made this ...all of it.&nbsp; I have no idea how or why, or really even exactly what God is, but I&#039;m past some self inflated scientific ego pretending that I can wrap my mind around why I&#039;m here and some how write it off as being a creation without a creator.&nbsp; LOL...Seriuosly lol.&nbsp; All you aspects of creation wandering around out their denying that you were created!&nbsp; LOL&nbsp; <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> What do I have?&nbsp; I have this.&nbsp; I have an ego humble enough to realize that my awareness came from something.&nbsp; No scientific theory as of yet has demonstrated the rise of consciousness and free will from in animate matter.&nbsp; Nothing AI even remotely approaches human intelligence nor do I see it ever actually happening.&nbsp; You know what though.&nbsp; If and when when create AI...it will have been created.&nbsp; Just as you were. the only difference is you will be it&#039;s God.Thus for the time being.&nbsp; Occams razor demands that the simplest view is a creator or a creative force.&nbsp; POINT TO ANY THING THAT WASN&#039;T CREATED?&nbsp; You materialist are the ones that are reaching for anything at all to make it so that no God was involved.I&#039;m have thought about this and debated deleting this post.&nbsp; I am choosing to post it regardless of the fact that I doubt seriously anyone will even take the time to ponder deeply even a single thing I outlined.&nbsp; Your minds are made up just as mine is...and in fact this was my only point to Citta a few posts ago.....I really wasn&#039;t going to jump back into this senseless fray.Ok really am done with it.&nbsp; Peace.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="joedirt, post: 3505563, member: 6370"] Damn me...no I won't let it go. What do you think made this magical place you are so enamored with? you say because it's magical it doesn't need a creator...then please give me your occams razor's best answer...Cause from my view the simplest answer to explain exactly how this all came to be is a creator...or a creative force...something. Something beyond the material realm had to exist before the material realm came to be. I'm using occams' razor.Creators begat creations. Show many any thing from the material world that doesn't follow that fundamental truth..anything. You say no need for magic, and I say it is all FUCKING magic. Every single last aspect of all of it is magic. You can't make it. I can't make it. I know of one that can make, and no on else know's of anyone else that can make it. yet it's here. Show me anything that more resembles magic than you. Or me. Or anything you can observe. You materialists are so freaking limited in you view of what's possible it's honestly just down right painful at times. I say that as a scientist. Someone who has essentially dedicated his life to studying the material world....yet I can see this plainly as day. Forget God and every stupid ass thing you ever heard about it. Check your ego at the door. You know nothing and shouldn't even pretend to. Humble yourself. Let's focus on you. What are you? Where did you come from...your parents...sure...now follow that logic to it's ultimate conclusion. Man the profound obvious is literally smacking you in the face. It's stoking your "I despise creationist" ego. You would rather buy some theory about a giant bang..and then magically life appears. LOL. Than a theory about a creator that sets the rules and makes it go bang? Whatever. Where is your occams razor for the question of what made it go bang? Everythign in this universe was created by something. All of it. I don't care if you don't like it. You were created. Your mom was created. Every atom in your body came into existance from something. CREATION IS THE ONLY REALITY that you actually know of. Prove otherwise. What are you? Why do you do anything you do. What was that thought you just had. Why do you disagree with me? Why do you agree with me? What is the foundation behind any thought you have...Seriously? Do you know anythign about the thoughts, views, or emotions you have? Hava you actually ever had a unique individual thought that was your and yours alone? You claim materialism, but can't explain yourself...dont' bother I know you can't. I can't either. Flat out. The universe is not a random chance. Life didn't arise from a null set. From nothing comes nothing. Simple as that. There wasn't just a void of nothing before the bang...and then blam...atoms, electrons, quarks, and all the rest of mass just came to be? Fuck no. That is God. People can be offended by the word God and that's just fine with me cause it's their mental baggage to deal with. God made this ...all of it. I have no idea how or why, or really even exactly what God is, but I'm past some self inflated scientific ego pretending that I can wrap my mind around why I'm here and some how write it off as being a creation without a creator. LOL...Seriuosly lol. All you aspects of creation wandering around out their denying that you were created! LOL :) What do I have? I have this. I have an ego humble enough to realize that my awareness came from something. No scientific theory as of yet has demonstrated the rise of consciousness and free will from in animate matter. Nothing AI even remotely approaches human intelligence nor do I see it ever actually happening. You know what though. If and when when create AI...it will have been created. Just as you were. the only difference is you will be it's God. Thus for the time being. Occams razor demands that the simplest view is a creator or a creative force. POINT TO ANY THING THAT WASN'T CREATED? You materialist are the ones that are reaching for anything at all to make it so that no God was involved. I'm have thought about this and debated deleting this post. I am choosing to post it regardless of the fact that I doubt seriously anyone will even take the time to ponder deeply even a single thing I outlined. Your minds are made up just as mine is...and in fact this was my only point to Citta a few posts ago.....I really wasn't going to jump back into this senseless fray. Ok really am done with it. Peace. [/QUOTE]