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My First Extraction EVER! W/ PIC - SWIG TEK.

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So After a lot of reading I finally decided to do an extraction!

I used the Tek posted by GIR (hints the G in SWIG)
SWIG TEK

A few things I did different.

1) after mixing in milk jug I poured the mix into 2x quart jars to do my pulls in. (the milk just had such a small layer of clear that it was almost impossible for me to pull)

2) I used a syringe make sure to not get any of the black stuff in the syringe, but when I did it was easily removed by simply squirting it out leaving me with clean dmt rich naphtha.

3) I did 4 pulls in 6-7 hours. The first 3 were back to back with the 3rd mixing/separating for an hour and the 4th I mixed and separated probably 8-10 times for 2 hours.

ROLLING/MIXING NAPHTHA WITH LYE/BARK/WATER MIX:

So this was a question I had on the tek which was promptly answered. How do you roll?

So simply put. You take your jar, jug, or whatever you pulling from and take the container and rotated like a front/back flip. SLOWELY about 1 rotation ever 2-3 seconds and rotate 30 full rotations. Let layers separate until the top of the black layer is smooth and not all bubbly/lumpy/thready Then repeat 3 more times for the first 3 pulls. the 4th pull I did the same thing but did it for almost 2 hours to get the last of the freebase into the naphtha.

Here is pics of the first 3 pulls. i have the 4th Jar plus a clean up jar in the fridge. the 4th is just slightly yellow I'm sure I could of pulled a 5th but the family was coming home and I need to evac all the stinky naphtha from the house so my baby (1 week old) doesn't' inhale any of it.

Here is a pic of the results using SWIG Tek and doing it all within a 8 hour shift (minus evap time which was +12 hours)




After the picture was taken I through though it into the garbage disposal to see if it would unclog my drains! SUCCESS!
 
Not yet....i'm to intimidated!. Plus ShroomFest (WORLD WIDE EVENT [Started by comedian Ari Shaffir) is the 21-23 this month So I plan on dip.
ping my feet in first with some mushrooms (I grew them) then if that goes well. I'll give it a stab. I've done when I was young a Salvia a few times in the last couple years. So I'm still nub to it all. However I did chop up a bowl of cannabis with teh razor that was coated with the white stuff and had a really heavy body high feeling...kinda fuzzy in vision but nothing other then that...

I'm always drawn to call DMT, "Her"...weird.
 
Sorry for the delayed reply Behind....

I used the tek that is 4 threads below mine. called 2nd 100g extrct - uber pictures

also

Step 5) required 1.5 to 2 hours. I did 3 hours. I figured the extra hour would benefit me since I was doing all my pulls in one day. Also Gir explained this gives the lye time to destroy the cell walls in the bark releasing the dmt into the naphtha when I add it.

This is when I pour out the jug into 2x 1 Quart Jars. You could do 3 if you want more room up top however there was about 2-3 inches of room for the naphtha

Step 6.5) ((HOT WATER BATH)) The first pull this isn't necessary! (Says Swig) where you boil water first on a stove. I wanted to contain the naphtha smell so I took a tall drinking glass and a mixing bowl. put the glass in the bowl to make sure its not to short (to make sure you don't add to much water in the bowl [we don't want water in the naphtha when you put the cup naphtha in the hot water]) Heat the bowl of water in the Microwave for 5 minutes. Take the bowl to the bathroom and measure out your ~75ml of naphtha and add to cup. put the cup of in the HOT BOWL walk away for 5 minutes. come back and add the now hot naphtha to your jug/jars.

STEP 7) refer to my "ROLLING/MIXING NAPHTHA WITH LYE/BARK/WATER MIX:" if this confuses you. I re word it a little so that might help. I had to contact Swig to learn what it meant. Swig is awesome 8)

Step 8) was a pain in the butt for my turkey baster so I opted to use an extra spore syringe I had with 1 cc of species I already had 8pints of Live Culture. And also at this point I poured the bark/water/lye mix into quart jars to make easier.

Step 9) A) I used 4oz wide mouth jars which fits almost to the brim 75ml. Feel free to decant 1 pull into 2 jars and label "1" on them both. B) I don't have Press n' Seal wrap. NOTE: The smell is horrible and sticks in the air for a while. MAKE SURE ITS AIR TIGHT. this is why i Used a mason jar. For the few I did a double layer of tin foil and used a one of the Jar Ring Lids. Pushed it onto the jar with the foil and tighten to secure it AIR TIGHT. OR you can do a double layer of foil with a large rubber band or some duct tape...This was my other option if I couldn't find my lids.

Cleaning and Recollecting.

When you wash the stuff u used make sure grab a container of white vinegar. No clue on the science of this but I got tired of smelling the lighter fluid so I filled the sink with about 2-3 cups of vinegar (over kill i know) and washed everything with the vinegar water. it eliminated the smell and helped a lot. Rinsing with water did nothing for the smell.

After you scrap all your jars/cups out and you want to get those small scraping you can't get at in the bottom and side of the jars. or just seem to STICK.

Do another warm water bath (water in bowl. add bowl to microwave. nuke 5 minutes.) add about 20-30ml of naphtha to a shot glass or cup then add sit cup in hot water for 5 minutes. then take all your jars that you want to recollect the leftover spice to the bathroom. take your hot naphtha and add to one jar at a time. put a lid on tight and stir and shake for 5 seconds. Pour that mix into the next cup. Swirl and mix for 5 seconds. pour into each cup like that to clean and collect the spice from each. Then seal the jar and put in the freezer until the next day. Then you will wake up to a MORE SPICE then you had from your first 4 pulls. I have a total of 6 jars. 4 from the pulls. 1 from re-collections. and 1 from the pour off (I pour each jar through a coffee filter and put the collected jar in a freezer. Not sure how worth it, it is but there are a few crystals that formed on the bottom. nothing spectacular. I was more curious if anything if anything fell through the filter.

Hope this all helps.
 
wow man, nice detail, that definitely helped. I've been doing a standard STB with one quart jar and one glass pyrex dish and it isn't working that great....thanks again.

the quart jars you used were just glass quart jars right?
 
behindthelight said:
wow man, nice detail, that definitely helped. I've been doing a standard STB with one quart jar and one glass pyrex dish and it isn't working that great....thanks again.

the quart jars you used were just glass quart jars right?
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Whats not working great? What ratios are you using?
 
behindthelight said:
wow man, nice detail, that definitely helped. I've been doing a standard STB with one quart jar and one glass pyrex dish and it isn't working that great....thanks again.

Np. You can go to most large stores and get the 4oz wide mouth (MAKE SURE WIDE MOUTH Easier to get your hand in) Also I break the razor blade in half so it fits and scraps perfectly.

the quart jars you used were just glass quart jars right?
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If your going to use 1 quart jar then reduce everything by half (50g bark/50g lye etc)

numbers are very important in chemistry.

Yes "Ball" mason jars. yes Glass. I'm scared of plastic. Only reason why i used a syringe is because I can watch control the flow of whats going into the syringes. the second there is a 10th of a ml (VERY VERY SMALL AMOUNT) I just squeeze that little bit out and the rest of the liquid in the syringe is golden....if you see any black crap float to the top just flick the syringe and it will fall to the bottom like a rock then simply squirt it out.

Just get down to eye ball level with the jar and you can watch see when the black stuff tries to get into the syringe. The separation is pretty fascinating to watch.
 
Psyren said:
Whats not working great? What ratios are you using?
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I am using:
-600ml of distilled water
-100g of MHRB
-100g of lye
-150ml of naptha

I let the mhrb and lye solution sit for 24 hours.
Then I add the naptha and mix it, then let that sit for 24 hours.

I then pull half the naptha and put it into my pyrex dish and put that in the freezer.
Then 12-24 hours later, I will have some really nice white crystals in the pyrex dish. I then pour the naptha back into the mhrb/lye jar. Then I put the lid on the pyrex dish and turn it upside down and then put it back into the freezer.

So far everything seems to be going well up to this point. But then something goes wrong. If I take the dish out of the freezer and immediately start scraping the crystals up, condensation start to build up right away and water gets into the dish. If I wait like 20 minutes for the dish to reach room temperature and then open it, the crystal have started to melt already and you can't scrape them up.

This is very, very, very frustrating. I don't know what I am doing wrong.
 
(NOTE: I Am just as big of a nub as you are. The info I'm giving is of info that I read)

So 2 things could going on here.

1) First I would double your water amount. The water helps push the spice into the naphtha.

Does more water make the DMT transfer to the naphtha easier?

This is the key here. The answer is yes. It's all about having enough water (and base of course). If you don't have enough water, your extraction is fail.
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2) LESS naphtha. I did 2x 75ml (150ml) pulls for my first 2 and got just over a gram from it.
your not gaining from having more naphtha which isn't going to help if you have so little water.

AGAIN this could be all wrong...

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS...

To pic a tek that you see EVERYONE is having success at.
Use The EXACT measurements giving. Don't stray from the Tek (number wise such as the measurements of weight and volume) unless still accomplishing the same goal (Like when I pour out the milk jug into 2x 1quart jars to make it easier to do pulls on)

Try how I did it and USE a milk jug. its fine to use it once. the plastic won't get into your mix unless u use the same jugs OVER and OVER and OVER again. wear and tear is a natural occurrence of life.

If you prefer to do the tek your using I would do 50grams of bark and 50 grams of Lye instead of 100. That would be more correct for your water content.
 
Hey Cannabinoids, when you did your pulls, what were you putting the naptha into? Pint Ball Jars or a flat glass dish?

Also, did you freeze precip it or did you just let it evap at room temp?
 
behindthelight said:
what were you putting the naptha into? Pint Ball Jars or a flat glass dish?

Also, did you freeze precip it or did you just let it evap at room temp?
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Most people find this to be a good method...

Transfer naptha to a pyrex pie dish, leave in freezer for 24 hrs, pour off naptha to reuse later. Leave the dish upside down in the freezer for 20 minutes (on a towel) Then take out to room temp and dry with a fan.
 
cyantific said:
Most people find this to be a good method...

Transfer naptha to a pyrex pie dish, leave in freezer for 24 hrs, pour off naptha to reuse later. Leave the dish upside down in the freezer for 20 minutes (on a towel) Then take out to room temp and dry with a fan.
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Ok, thanks. I am having some serious problems getting my crystals to not melt and it is really, really, really pissing me off.

So when you take it out to room temp, do you leave it on the towel the entire time? Then after it has reached room temp you take it off the towel and turn it over and let a fan blow on it?
 
behindthelight said:
I am using:
-600ml of distilled water
-100g of MHRB
-100g of lye
-150ml of naptha

I let the mhrb and lye solution sit for 24 hours.
Then I add the naptha and mix it, then let that sit for 24 hours.

I then pull half the naptha and put it into my pyrex dish and put that in the freezer.
Then 12-24 hours later, I will have some really nice white crystals in the pyrex dish. I then pour the naptha back into the mhrb/lye jar. Then I put the lid on the pyrex dish and turn it upside down and then put it back into the freezer.

So far everything seems to be going well up to this point. But then something goes wrong. If I take the dish out of the freezer and immediately start scraping the crystals up, condensation start to build up right away and water gets into the dish. If I wait like 20 minutes for the dish to reach room temperature and then open it, the crystal have started to melt already and you can't scrape them up.

This is very, very, very frustrating. I don't know what I am doing wrong.
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Continue to use 100g bark/100g lye like you are. Dropping down to 50g/50g is a super small extraction and you won't get much yield. However, you are not using enough water. You should use approximately 15ml of water for every gram of bark. So in your case, you should be using at least 1500ml of water instead of 600. Don't go super crazy with the water, because if you use too much you won't basify to a high enough ph, but 1500ml should be perfect for 100g of rootbark.

My theory is that you are over-basifying your solution by using so little water, allowing the solution to sit by waiting too long for the lye/bark to basify and waiting too long between pulls. That is why your spice is melting so easily.

Letting the bark/lye solution sit for 24 hours before doing your first pull is not necessary. 3 hours is more than enough time to let the solution basify to a high enough ph when using that much lye. You do not need to allow more time to "break the cell walls" of the bark when using powdered material.

You also don't have to wait 12-24 hours between pulls. I would recommend doing a total of 3 pulls when using only 100g of rootbark, and you only should have to wait 1-2 hours max between the pulls to allow separation. It actually takes much less time than that to separate, but you should let each naptha pull sit in solution for an hour or two while agitating and rolling the container (not too vigorous or else there will be emulsion) about every 20 minutes or so, doing this a total of 5 or 6 times.

If you are so concerned about waiting a long length of time to let the lye break down the bark and let the naptha solution settle, just let the solution sit for 24 hours for the LAST pull. The first two pulls should be done within the times I listed above. And unless you're continuously rolling the container around during that time to allow the naptha to contact the rest of the solution during that 24 hours, you are accomplishing absolutely nothing because the solution separates so quickly.

I would also not take the advice of using less naptha. Using more naptha DOES increase your yield, you just have to make sure the solution is saturated enough in order to freeze precipitate. My suggestion would be to do 3 separate pulls with ~100ml of naptha each. Put the first pull in a flat pyrex dish, and just let is sit there uncovered at room temp while you are doing the next 2 pulls. I would suggest combining all 3 pulls in the same dish, so you will have ~300ml of naptha in your pyrex dish. Let that 300ml evaporate down to ~75-100ml or so (just eyeball it) before covering the pyrex dish with saran wrap and putting it in the freezer. This can be done in just a couple of hours by blowing a small fan over the dish (but make sure you keep an eye on it so it doesn't evap to nothing).

I guarantee if you do the above tweaks, your spice will not start to melt when scraping. There is however one more suggestion. Put a rubber band around the saran wrap and pyrex dish. After letting the dish sit in the freezer overnight, take the dish out and unwrap just one corner of the dish, don't uncover the whole dish. Quickly pour out as much naptha as you can out of the small opening on the corner into another container to re-use in another extraction. All of the spice should be stuck to the bottom of the dish, so you shouldn't pour out any product. Once you pour out as much naptha as you can (a small amount will remain which is fine), re-cover the pyrex dish with the saran wrap and rubber band. Let the whole dish reach room temperature before finally uncovering the whole dish. Don't wait too long however, because the small amount of remaining naptha in the dish could possibly start to melt the crystals if your room-temp is too high. Once the dish is almost to room-temp, uncover the whole dish and allow the remaining naptha to evaporate.

Also make sure the room you are doing all of this in is pretty cool. Obviously don't do this mid-afternoon in an 70 degree kitchen. Make sure the room is cool with the air conditioning full blast. If you don't have AC, do this in the basement or the coolest room in the house.
 
Merkaba188, wow, that is what I am was looking for. A detailed answer as to what I was screwing up.

I am going to do a fresh 100g extraction the way you detailed here.

Thanks again.
 
I find that 15ml of h20 per gram of lye works great.
100gram extract requiring around 1500ml, my pyrex vessel
fits 1300ml of h20 plus the lye MHRB, leaving me room for
100ml naptha pulls. I been getting around 2-3 grams per
hundred of MHRB. 3 percent is good enough for me. Increase
water even to 10ml per gram of lye and things should go better.
Heating your naptha will also help. Just do it safely!


Good Job! tweaking the process until you find what works for
you is the best way to go.:thumb_up:
 
thick-light said:
I find that 15ml of h20 per gram of lye works great.
100gram extract requiring around 1500ml, my pyrex vessel
fits 1300ml of h20 plus the lye MHRB, leaving me room for
100ml naptha pulls. I been getting around 2-3 grams per
hundred of MHRB. 3 percent is good enough for me. Increase
water even to 10ml per gram of lye and things should go better.
Heating your naptha will also help. Just do it safely!


Good Job! tweaking the process until you find what works for
you is the best way to go.:thumb_up:
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Thanks man. I am definitely trying my hardest to figure this out. I think my next one will work. It has been getting to me really bad because I want to experience the spice so bad and my stuff keeps melting....sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo frustrating.
 
behindthelight said:
Hey Cannabinoids, when you did your pulls, what were you putting the naptha into? Pint Ball Jars or a flat glass dish?

Also, did you freeze precip it or did you just let it evap at room temp?
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sorry buddy. when I did each 75ml naphthal pull i put each pull into 4oz wide mouth mason jars.

but yeah. Follow Gir's tek then just use my advice and these guys advice and as long as your your bark is legit (i got mine from www.sonoransong.com) u sould get +1 gram on each 100gram extraction

I finally had some of the spice. was scared so only did 10 and 15 mg each time. I watched the texture on the celling crawl and spin around and then there was the hum/ringing.

Then at 15mg the same thing happens but I would get a "flicker" of something trying to happen but it didn't I assum that was the breakthrough trying to happen but I didn't have enough. Next I'll try 20. But first tomorrow I'm doing 2 grams of shrooms when I wake up to try those out.

maybe while at peek I'll do another 15mg lol

I know when I get used to dmt I want to do a good 3.5 o 4 grams of mushrooms then at peek do a break through dose. I like pushing things I guess.
 
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