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My First Negative Experience. :(

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Aleph Omega

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Just so everyone knows, this is a continuation of my "spice" inspired sci-fi series:

I'm still trying to piece my brain back together from what happened tonight. Possibly this was the most intense and scary trip I've ever had.

Here's what happened, a friend came over. A girl. We've known each other for a while, I've smoked with her a few times before.

We smoked. A lot. Probably too much. I packed the bowl three times, with big hits of DMT, one right after the other. She would take two hits first, then I took the pipe and took a third hit. As I said, we did this three times.

This is where things get weird. At some point I "blacked out," except it wasn't a black out, it was just a loss of awareness, or rather I should say a loss of all "sense." I saw shapes and the world (though I was also hallucinating), it's just that none of it made any sense. This has happened to me once before when I took multiple hits of liquid acid (didn't know who I was, where I was, what was going on...) except this was a much shorter duration, and about 1000x more intense. I thought I was lost in "infinity." I was very scared.

Here is the apparently "objective" version of what happened, from what I tried to piece together afterward: my female friend was sitting in a chair in my room, and I was sitting on the floor in front of her. Apparently at some point during the trip, after I lost awareness, I got up into my bed. Then for some reason, I got up from the bed and sat down in the chair where she was sitting, next to her. She got up from the chair, and stood up in front of it.

This sounds uneventful, but here's what I experienced subjectively: At some point, I was looking at her, or she was looking at me. Her face started transforming, time stopped. She became an archetype, a symbol. It was as if I wasn't comprehending the world normally, but only seeing symbols. It was very primal, very archetypal. I vaguely remember getting up and going over to my bed, but only in the briefest flash of awareness. Like a fraction of a second, too fast to make any sense of it. Next thing I new I was moving towards her. I was in the chair next to her. We were transforming through each other. I got the impression that I was stuck in some kind of loop, or some kind of symbolic realm. She became the archetypal female energy. I definitely got a feeling that we were playing out the roles of yin and yang. I thought of my mother, I thought of my father. I thought of sex. It was almost as if I was possessed. I was not AWARE of what was going on though, it was just a very abstract feeling, like some kind of mystical metaphor was playing out. Honestly, I got the feeling that our consciousness "merged" or that we got stuck in each other somehow. Because I remember (I think) before things got bad, kind of playing with her mind, trying to show her what I was seeing, I guess. I remember thinking "this is how people will play with each other in the future, how they will communicate." That's when things started getting intense. It's like we got too close, I guess, I couldn't get out. I couldn't find myself. We got stuck inside of each other.

At the point that I realized I had lost control (while I was moving, unconsciously, from the bed to the chair) I became very scared. I was frightened because it felt like I had gotten stuck in some crazy reality. I desperately wanted to get back to some semblance of sense. I was trying to piece together exactly what reality was, I was pulling up as many thoughts about my life as it could but none of them made any sense at the time. I was VERY primal. Like a birth, sex, death, kind of thing. As I got closer to her (and I could only perceive that in a symbolic sense) I only got more and more uncomfortable and scared. The fear got more intense. I don't know if I was feeding off of her energy or not (very possible I was), but after a time (that seemed like eternity) I just wanted things to be back to normal... the insanity went on for far too long.

After I gained comprehension of the space around me I found myself in the chair, and her standing in front of me. I kept repeating, almost yelling, "what the FUCK just happened, what is going on?!" I vaguely remember her saying, "How did you get there? First you were over there, and I was over there, now you're over there." We were both very confused.

She was very freaked out, and I strongly suspect that she was tripping just as hard as I was, though she didn't really want to admit it. She kept asking me, or saying to me (I couldn't really tell) "We didn't do anything, right? Nothing happened." And I said, "No, of course not. I think I would have known if something happened."

I tried asking her what happened from her perspective... after I came back to my wits. Which took a long time. Even though my perception of the normal world, space and time, came back to me gradually, I still could not "think" or piece together anything that could make sense, or bring me back to reality, or back to normal though. It took, probably a good 15 minutes to be able to make any sense, and even then I still could not grasp what happened. Still can't, really.

But I asked her, "from your perspective, what happened?" She told me that at some point, she felt like she could see inside me, she was trying to get to the "core" or my being to understand me. She wanted to access me like a computer file, except I couldn't understand what she was doing, she was asking me if I would let her in, but I couldn't understand her, so I got confused and pulled away (this is what SHE said to me). At that point I moved over to the bed, and she thought I was somehow hitting on her, then I moved over to the chair, where she was sitting, and she got scared and got up out of the chair. Though right after the trip had just happened, when I asked her what had happened she said something like "You came over to me, but I was in my own separate bubble, then I moved out through another dimension and came out over here."

Though I do vaguely remember, after she got out of the chair, and I was reclined in it, I was trying to coax her to sit back down with me (though I was not in control of myself while doing this!) in what I guess was a sexually suggestive manner. I don't know if I was possessed, or if I was just acting unconsciously (well I definitely was acting unconsciously). A male friend who I talked to about it afterward told me that I was just being "honest," and that the drug had just reverted me back to my normal "human" instincts, or I guess, male insticts when there is a pretty girl nearby. This makes sense to me. As Timothy Leary has said, during intense psychedelic experiences, especially bad trips, you definitely have an urge for human comfort and contact, just so you can get your bearings. It's like you need to find a center in the storm, and you reach out for the closest thing. I suppose this is what happened. But it also feels like I tapped into some very raw, primal, unconscious bio-survival/sex circuit, to put it in more scientific terms.

I am still kind of floored by this, and a little frightened. I just want to know WHAT HAPPENED. Did our brains just blink out for a second, so we were both lost and very confused? Did we somehow really enter some other dimension, did our consciousnesses merged, or was I possessed. Or is it just a much simpler answer, like raw instincts taking over?

I really don't know what happened. I don't think she did either. She was acting like she did, a while after it happened, but I think she was just trying to rationalize it. Other things that she said to me, made me think she was tripping just as hard as I was. In any case, after we came back down to reality, I apologized to her. She wanted to leave, she was very uncomfortable. I had asked her to stay so I could come back to reality and piece together what had happened. When she did finally leave, I asked her for a hug, which she did give me, but she was very uncomfortable. I was confused, I told her that there didn't have to be any sexual connotation to it, that you can and should express genuine love, and that you can experience human contact with someone without it being sexual. I told her she was holding back. She said something about how it was the 21st century, and not the 60's, which makes no sense since she has often talked about how she in nostalgic for the 60's and feels like she lived a past life there. She was essentially rambling, in fact she had been rambling all night long, a fact which she even noticed and admitted. She said, "I have never talked this much around someone before, I feel like I'm just making a fool out of myself." "So why don't you just shut up then?" I said. She didn't seem to take my meaning well, and said, "well I'm leaving now, so I won't be around anymore to hear me talk."

I asked her if she was mad at me one more time, and apologized and she did the same. We parted amicably.

Later, I sent her a text, telling her again that I was sorry. That I was happy she came over, and that I was happy she was my friend.

She texted me back saying, "It's alright. Just don't worry of it. Was just one very insane trip tonight that both of us probably were not ready to undertake. But it was an experience."

To be honest, I'm finding it harder and harder to integrate my DMT experiences back into my everyday life. And after tonight, I'm a little scared of losing my mind...

Advice, suggestions, speculations, sharing of similar experiences, or support would be appreciated. Thank you so much, in advance.
 
Pop psychology 101
At some point in most peoples lives they come to a threshold where they pass through a membrane into maturity and they magically cease to generate awkward and uncomfortable experiences for themselves. If a power play/sexual tension occurs then you are still maturing and drugs can either help you cross these rivers or turn you right back around with the sting of defeat and water up your nose.

In other words : Don't "jump the shark"
 
Sounds like someone found out the hard way, that DMT is not a hang-out-with-friends-&-party-drug!!!

Have you ever heard of "set & setting"?
If not, you need to Google it!!
Because you set yourself up for this type of experience 100%, with the set & setting you chose to take DMT in.

It sounds like you may only be used to experiencing threshold (sub-breakthrough) effects & this time you started experiencing the beginning of an actual breakthrough, but you where not in secure surroundings (setting), or the right kind of mindset to deal with it well...at all.

Also, most people do not pass a bowl of DMT around the room so everyone can "trip" together.
It is not LSD...much, much more personal!
It's nearly impossible to get the full/true effects doing it that way.
Usually people take turns smoking DMT, the other person might help with the 3rd & 4th tokes, to make sure the person smoking gets as much of a dose as is necessary to reach a breakthrough.

3-4 hits is usually necessary, but they also need to be taken one right after the other & held in as long as as they can be, only pausing in between hits to catch your breath.
This is in order for the DMT to create enough of an overload of the chemical in your body, to reach that breakthrough point.
The other person usually leaves the room, or remains totally quiet, so the person taking the spice can experience it in full glory without interruptions, or feeling like they are on display for the other people in the room.
The smallest sound can break the DMT's trance-like-state, which will ruin a breakthrough & leave the user stuck in between reality & hyperspace. This is a very confusing, warped, looping, experience that seems to get worse as you try to make it go away.

Keeping your eyes open & trying to interact with that girl, while experiencing the full effects makes it very hard to maintain any kind of normal personality, or social behaviors!! Because you are basically in between two worlds that are crashing together into one warped view of reality (so to speak).
You have to close your eyes & let go of everything in this reality, to get past feeling confused & overwhelmed.


BTW, On top of that you did all this while hanging out with a girl you are obviously attracted to, but not involved with.
So you where already in a situation where you where feeling insecure.
DMT (or any heavy psychedellics) are not exactly something most well thought out folks would want to do on a date!!
(Although some may try to impress a possible partner with it I guess...:? )



DMT is not a toy, or a party drug, no matter how many people are at the party! There is much more going on with this one!
If taken in the wrong kind of set & setting, your gonna have a less than smooth experience.



WS
 
Thanks for the replies. Let me say first, I know these things. I have had quite a few experiences with DMT. Or I guess I should say, I SHOULD know better. I often smoke with friends, but it is NOT a party type of vibe. It is either to show them a spiritual experience, or to explore with them. And typically, when I do trip with people we use the method that was described. One person goes at a time, the other people shut up until it is their turn. The girl I was smoking with on this particular occasion was talking constantly throughout the experience, which I think is part of what sent me on a bad trip. That, plus the fact that we were not treating the spice with the proper respect, AND probably smoked way too much.

In fact, I should have heeded warnings, because I had tried to smoke with the friend in question before, but had a few unsuccessful attempts. One time (when we were using the machine method), a glowing spark actually jumped up and "bit" her on the lip. After that happened, I even said myself that that was a bad sign, and perhaps she was not ready for it yet. But again, I was being stupid, did not heed the warnings and went ahead anyway.

Oh well, lesson learned the hard way.
 
Aleph

it will be OK. As Waged says- set & setting

We are all at some point given a set & setting 101 lesson!

You have now learnt. You can move on. You now have an intense mess of interpersonal emotions come into play on top of your experience intergration needs.

It has been said that human touch is the most reassuringly effective grounding during an intensely bad trip but you and your sitter must have discussed this possibility beforehand and your sitter must be sober. You did not have a sober sitter and confusion arose as a result of bad set & setting.

The girl I was smoking with on this particular occasion was talking constantly throughout the experience, which I think is part of what sent me on a bad trip. That, plus the fact that we were not treating the spice with the proper respect, AND probably smoked way too much.

Yep, wrong wrong wrong - but you now fully understand this.

You can't toy with the spice.

Don't ask me how I know :oops:
 
I understand what your saying about your two conscious merging. I have done with with my girlfriend a few times. Its a good way to show a less experianced person the depths of tripping balls. In my opinion it requires a fairly intimate relationship but its very rewarding to go on a adventure as two souls without bodys. I have been "possessed" while under the influence of spice and let me tell you it was one of the scariest and most enlightening moments of my life. After I lost my fear of the unknown and let go of my preconceved notions of whats good and evil I was able to understand what was going on. I dont think this is what happened to you... it would be very obvious if a spirit had possessed you... you can feel it taking up your body and feeding off your energy... you can see and feel there presence as well. Typicly they dont invade you without needing to or you asking them to. Next time have the right seting and consider smoking it alone with a meditative mind ready to see the unexplainable. Before smoking ask for protection and guidance and never forget to give thanks for the magical crystals you have.
 
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