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My first 'proper' pull.

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OrangeEnergy

OrangeEnergy

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Congratulations, let us know how the first trip is.

My immediate feeling is that you attempted a huge bulk amount of mhrb here. Dont worry, we have all been there. I would expect you should get at the very least another 7g of pure white DMT from that quantity of mhrb.

If you dont then perhaps it's a good lesson for downsizing the operation for efficiency's sake. For example, a standard extraction using cyb's max ion tek I would expect 100g mhrb to yield minimum 1.5g of white spice.
 
Hi! That is some nice looking spice!

I've been extracting from MHRB for about 2,5 years now I believe, and I'm still learning and keep on experimenting. Last time (under process) I skipped the acid-step completely but otherwise following cyb's max ion tek. I don't feel the feed to rush things and can let the based soup (with shredded bark pulverized in a coffee mixer) sit for days and weeks until all pulls are being done.
I think I get all DMT this way even without the acid step. First two pulls from 50g bark combined in the freezer yielded 0.49g.
 
Nice looking first batch - I'll echo fink though, and say you'd have done yourself a favour by working through that amount of bark in something like 5 separate batches.

You could probably have got a bigger yield by using more heptane for each pull, and a bit warmer too - around 50°C would improve its solvent power somewhat. Furthermore, looking at your figures, it seems you used 72.5 grams of acetic acid in total when reckoned as 5% w/v, which is 29/24 moles or thereabouts. 40*29/24 = 290/6 = ~48.3 grams of lye would be needed to neutralise this amount of acetic acid alone, not counting any of the bark material including tannins and whatever provides the counter-ion for the DMT.

This is a long-winded way of saying you probably could have done with using a little more lye, although it looks as though enough acid evaporated during the cooks and reduction that it sufficed to give you some kind of a yield so far, clearly.

And I hope you've kept the bark because there's a high chance that there's more goodies to be recovered from it as well.

Looking forward to hearing the report of your first trials with the spice!
 
Ah, what a shame you ditched the bark! It really needs to go in my sig - the golden rule of extracting is don't throw anything away until you're sure you've got the goods.

I would be very cautious about using cyclamen flowers:-

"Cyclamen is a highly poisonous plant that should not be used internally."
www.herbal-supplement-resource.com

Cyclamen Uses as Herbal Medicine

Botanical Name: Cyclamen hederifolium, C. purpurascens. The plant genus Cyclamen contains 19 plant species commonly found in Europe, Mediterranean, Asia and in East Africa. Persian cyclamen (C. persicum) is a popular houseplant that many people are acquainted with. It often blooms at Christmas...
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Triterpene saponins seem to be responsible for the toxicity, some of which might survive the pyrolysis during smoking.
The toxicity is mainly ascribed to the tubers though, and the information at webMD suggests that it is possibly safe to use intranasally: CYCLAMEN: Overview, Uses, Side Effects, Precautions, Interactions, Dosing and Reviews - and the dose of saponins from smoking a few flowers is likely to be tiny. On the other hand, what if the efficacy of the inhaled materials was 100 times that of ingested material? And what if the surfactant action of the saponins caused disruption of the lung surfaces?

If there is a specific reason that you feel drawn to using cyclamen I would suggest that you study the plant as diligently as possible and proceed with caution if at all. You would need to pay special attention to ascertaining what the constituents of the flowers might be, and indeed whether this is even known.

A look at traditional uses suggests cyclamen might synergise with psychedelics:
"In the sixteenth century, women in their early stages of pregnancy avoided cyclamens in fear of a miscarriage because they were considered to strongly induce childbirth.

Cyclamens were used as love-charms, aphrodisiacs, and intoxicant and a small amount would be put in cakes or a cup of wine." [from Wikipedia]


You got a lovely spot for communing with the plants there (and a handsome pair of loudspeakers too)! My first ever DMT experience was in the woods and basically it awakened me to plant language quite directly.

Congrats on promotion to full membership, too - here's sending you and your plants some healing vibes :love:
 
Good stuff and congratulations on full membership :)

My reactions to your starting amount of bark: :twisted: :shock: :cry: :surprised :love: All at the same time.

And my plants captivate me as well while I'm in the space. If I open my eyes, intuitively, they almost always open towards my plants. Especially the pothos that I allow to go all willy-nilly. :love:

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Also noticed the speakers with appreciation.

It always seems to me that plants come alive and laugh kindly at me, sometimes they reach out trying to touch me, when I'm tripping on DMT.

What was the total yield in the end from the 800g?
 
I too noticed the speaker :) I have B&M too, but much more modern and more anonymous.

And nice plants too!

Yes it's fascinating how much is yet not (scientifically) tested.

I'm thinking about the rest of the soup. In what temperature do you store it? I don't know what pH it is and how long it would take for it to get bad (molds?). Or if it could keep for a long time really well. I don't know.
 
murklan said:
In what temperature do you store it? I don't know what pH it is and how long it would take for it to get bad (molds?). Or if it could keep for a long time really well. I don't know.
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With the lid on, you can keep it for months. The biggest issue I've run into when keeping a soup around is emulsions, which is easy enough to remedy.

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Voidmatrix said:
With the lid on, you can keep it for months. The biggest issue I've run into when keeping a soup around is emulsions, which is easy enough to remedy.
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But isn't that for based soup? I thought this was still a acid brew?
 
murklan said:
Voidmatrix said:
With the lid on, you can keep it for months. The biggest issue I've run into when keeping a soup around is emulsions, which is easy enough to remedy.
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But isn't that for based soup? I thought this was still a acid brew?
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Whoops! You're certainly correct. I kept thinking they brought it up to base and then split it, but they did it at the acidification phase after filtering. So ignore me :D

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