My recent 250ug LSD trip, geometric visuals, then paranoia and delusion in a pottery class

[ForgingNewPaths]

Wanted to share my recent experience with 250ug of LSD.

The first 5-6 hours of the trip were fantastic, went on a walk through nature, had some mandarins from a local tree which tasted amazing, and had visuals in a local park down by a river (geometric patterns in the grass and trees, and everything was at a much higher contrast). Also went and picked up some things from the hardware store with my partner.

I took two tabs at 1pm, as I wasn't rostered to work. At 7pm we had a pottery class organised, which, in hindsight, going to an unfamiliar location on LSD was not a good idea haha. I was hoping to hallucinate, as I haven't ever reached that level of visuals.

My previous trip was in a local pine forest with some mates while we were picking some magic mushrooms, in which I had quite a spiritual experience. I got separated from the group, and felt this profound ability to experience the trip naturally as it would come, with no judgment from anyone.

I was fine on the way to the class, but what I believe sent me spiralling was that my partner started to use music and the lyrics from the songs in the car to communicate with me, which sent me spiralling in a thought loop about subconscious programming and the CIA (MK Ultra and LSD were the first things to come to mind).

It didn't help that this was the first class, so the environment was completely new, and I hadn't met the teacher. It was in a nice enough area, but I was on edge before we even entered. Once we found the place and sat down, there was another class in the front room, and it was just my partner and me in the back. I'm usually quite functional on drugs and psychedelics, and many people have no idea when I am under the influence of them. This was only my second time on LSD, previously taking 125ug about 5 days prior.

For some bizarre reason, an inner voice was telling me that the instructions from the teacher were "subconsciously programming", or an obscure test of "psychic ability". For a bit of time, I thought that I would be able to move my hands with the clay in a way that would allow able to control the teacher's hands, or manipulate the atoms in the clay. Obviously, in hindsight, this is all a completely bizarre delusion. I then would focus on things just out of my field of view to see how they would change, remaining sceptical of both my partner and the teacher.

Being able to hear the other class led me to be quite disoriented due to having issues with auditory processing and feeling overwhelmed.

For future reference, I think I will give it about a month between trips for my brain to reset to baseline in the future, and only indulge in familiar environments.

I ended up telling the teacher I had dropped LSD before the class, but he didn't seem to understand or just didn't know what I meant due to a language barrier. In the end, my partner made an incredibly beautiful cup, painted with a gradient and three clay ladybirds on the side, and I had made a blue and yellow bowl, which my partner accidentally dropped a hairdryer on hahaha. I ended up using a paintbrush to attempt to create a spout.

Just wanted to share my bizarre experience with LSD I still have 2 tabs remaining, which I am a little hesitant to take anytime soon.

 

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I believe sent me spiralling was that my partner started to use music and the lyrics from the songs in the car to communicate with me

Were they actually attempting to do that? Or is it how you perceived in the moment? As you probably know, on psychedelics it's not rare to attribute to actions and events meanings or intentions that aren't there. If they were attempting to do that, how was it? Did they change songs depending on what they wanted to communicate to you?

this was the first class, so the environment was completely new, and I hadn't met the teacher

Being able to hear the other class led me to be quite disoriented due to having issues with auditory processing and feeling overwhelmed.

To me, that's likely to be the main cause. If the setting is not right for whatever reason, the experience can become very challenging. And a public event in an unfamiliar space, with unfamiliar people, doing unfamiliar activities sounds like it could easily lead to an experience like the one you had.

This was only my second time on LSD, previously taking 125ug about 5 days prior

Well, I'm sure now you see that there's actually a big difference between 125 and 250ug! Given the setting, I think you handled it quite well. I hope you'll be able to choose a safer feeling and more supportive setting, as you say you intend. Think about the situation you could have gotten into if you start freaking out and someone calls an ambulance or the police.

Obviously, in hindsight, this is all a completely bizarre delusion

Well, now you have at least some topics to think about and integrate. It seems that the topic of mind control keep appearing again and again. I personally would ignore the "supernatural" side of the delusion (psychic abilities, direct mind manipulation) and reflect on the topic of being controlled. Do you fear being controlled? Have you lived through a period were someone controlled you, or manipulated you? (You don't have to answer those questions here, those are just suggestions of topics to think about in order to integrate the experience)
If that kind of thoughts reoccurs when you have an experience in a safer environment, I recommend to not try to fight it, and just let whatever is happening happen. In general, I think that resisting the effects of psychedelics leads more often to delusion, fear, and less understanding of whatever the experience can teach you.

I also recommend that you enter the experience with a clear intention of what you want to get out of it. I find this particularly helpful with long acting psychedelics like LSD: if you get lost in the experience, you can come back to your intention.

As a last note, be very careful when taking psychedelics around people in public spaces, particularly when those spaces aren't psychedelic-friendly (that is, most public spaces). Look up the laws where you live, in many places it's legally punished to consume any drug in public.

I hope you next experience can be less disorienting and you can get from it more of whatever you want to get

 

[ForgingNewPaths]

Were they actually attempting to do that? Or is it how you perceived in the moment? As you probably know, on psychedelics it's not rare to attribute to actions and events meanings or intentions that aren't there. If they were attempting to do that, how was it? Did they change songs depending on what they wanted to communicate to you?

I had a chat just recently with her, and it was just my perception. She sang a few lyrics to me, and my brain ran with it. It was the doors, funnily enough, so the perfect tripping music.

To me, that's likely to be the main cause. If the setting is not right for whatever reason, the experience can become very challenging. And a public event in an unfamiliar space, with unfamiliar people, doing unfamiliar activities sounds like it could easily lead to an experience like the one you had.

I figured that the trip would be tapering off by the time of the class, perhaps if I'd dosed earlier, that would've been the case!

Well, I'm sure now you see that there's actually a big difference between 125 and 250ug! Given the setting, I think you handled it quite well. I hope you'll be able to choose a safer feeling and more supportive setting, as you say you intend. Think about the situation you could have gotten into if you start freaking out and someone calls an ambulance or the police.

I wasn't sure what to expect going into 250ug. My intent was extreme visuals/hallucinations, and I didn't manage to get the extreme abstract visuals I was hoping for. I managed to hold it together and relax as the class went on. I was expecting to see grass melting, or eyeballs on trees, clouds with wings etc. I understand this may be a misguided and sensationalised perspective on psychedelics, but I wanted to test the waters with LSD before trying DMT.

I didn't expect the reaction, as it was unlike anything I had ever experienced on a psychedelic. The closest thing I've had to it was the first time I did magic mushrooms, which was a lemon tek hero dose, which led to an abstract ego dissolution. This wasn't ego dissolution but perhaps processing something in my subconscious.

When I had ego dissolution, it was with Psilocybe Subaeruginosa:

"Experts often agree that P. subaeruginosa is one of the most potent species, as it can contain up to 1.93% psilocybin once dried. Plus, several other psychedelic-promoting alkaloids are present in this species, such as baeocystin, nor-psilocybin, and MAOIs"
"For comparison, Psilocybe cubensis (the most popular magic mushroom species) only contains about 1.30% psilocybin when dried."
SOURCE

I am very fortunate to be able to go picking for these in the wet season where I live (I have 90g dry from a few picks this recent season).

I wouldn't expect to freak out in any way that would impact others, as I keep quite internal. To be honest it's something I didn't even consider. My partner was there and she offered to trip sit as she was sober. If it reached that point, I would've expected we would've left before it became an issue. It was also a last minute booking.

reflect on the topic of being controlled. Do you fear being controlled? Have you lived through a period were someone controlled you, or manipulated you?

I find it interesting how this manifested during this trip. It's something I've lived through a few times in my life. I'll spare the trauma dump, but it is something that I haven't even considered until this recent experience, and it makes a little bit more sense now.

integrate the experience

What do you mean by "integrating the experience"? I'm not familiar with this terminology.

I recommend to not try to fight it, and just let whatever is happening happen. In general, I think that resisting the effects of psychedelics leads more often to delusion, fear, and less understanding of whatever the experience can teach you.

It's such a deeply personal and self-reflective experience taking psychedelics; the next trip I take, I'll let whatever is happening happen in a much safer environment. That way I will not be impacting others as well.

I also recommend that you enter the experience with a clear intention of what you want to get out of it. I find this particularly helpful with long acting psychedelics like LSD: if you get lost in the experience, you can come back to your intention.

Can you give me some examples of intentions? Like going into it with the intention of making art? Or something more psychological?

be very careful when taking psychedelics around people in public spaces, particularly when those spaces aren't psychedelic-friendly (that is, most public spaces). Look up the laws where you live, in many places it's legally punished to consume any drug in public.

I hope you next experience can be less disorienting and you can get from it more of whatever you want to get

Thanks for the heads up! I never considered the taboo nature of psychedelics in public, and will keep it in mind for the future. I've been to a light show on a microdose of mushrooms, and clubbing once, which was a nightmare of anxiety haha.

Thank you for the insight. There are not many individuals I know interested in psychedelics (at least openly). It's good to be able to discuss these things with others who are more familiar with these substances and can also share their experience.

What psychedelics are you familiar with? When do you find yourself taking them, and what intentions do you aim to get from them?

I wish you all the best for the future as well! May your trips be fruitful.

 

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I figured that the trip would be tapering off by the time of the class, perhaps if I'd dosed earlier, that would've been the case!

In my experience: At relatively low doses (think 100ug) the effects will have become very mild and subtle by the sixth or seventh hour, maybe even disappeared. With moderate LSD doses like the one you took, I would expect noticeable effects until the 10th hour or so, and the peak and plateau to last for at least 6 hours. With heavy doses you can get up to 12-14 hours of noticeable effects (very subtle towards the end).

I didn't manage to get the extreme abstract visuals I was hoping for

Having had a recent experience before may have made it somewhat less strong, but I think what likely made it less than you expected is the setting. If the dose is not too high, having to move around and focus your attention outwards tends to blunt the effects. It's also likely that there was actually less than 250ug in the tabs, if you take a look at tests from street samples you'll see that they're often underdosed (and LSD degrades with exposure to light, heat, and humidity).

I was expecting to see grass melting, or eyeballs on trees, clouds with wings etc. I understand this may be a misguided and sensationalised perspective on psychedelics,

I'm not going to judge that, as long as it's not reckless use, and just wanting to see some cool visuals is not reckless. But bear always in mind that with psychedelics you have many chances of letting out parts of your mind that you don't usually face directly, even if that's not the intention. So it's good to do some introspection beforehand to gauge how the waters are, so to speak, even if you don't have an explicit intention of doing inner work during the experience.

to test the waters with LSD before trying DMT

LSD can take you very far by itself. It's just a different substance, but it's very powerful, I wouldn't consider it any lesser at high enough doses. While the effects are less sudden and extreme than with DMT, they last much much longer, and they tend much more easily towards ego dilution. But of course much of what you learn with LSD will be useful with DMT, most of all to let go.

I am very fortunate to be able to go picking for these in the wet season where I live (I have 90g dry from a few picks this recent season

That's great! It's always better if you can get them yourself. If you're interested in getting ready for DMT, mushrooms may fit the bill better. They're closer to DMT than LSD is.

I wouldn't expect to freak out in any way that would impact others, as I keep quite internal

I'm not saying it's very likely or anything like that. But you also didn't expect to get paranoid about mind manipulation, for example. You handled it well, but imagine you had believed it stronger and acted on it. I'm not saying to not take it in public, but you should consider that things may go wrong in unexpected ways.
It's good that you had a trip sitter in that type of situation, it lowers risk a lot, including risk of getting overwhelmed.

I find it interesting how this manifested during this trip. It's something I've lived through a few times in my life. I'll spare the trauma dump, but it is something that I haven't even considered until this recent experience, and it makes a little bit more sense now.

I'm glad to hear that it put some past situations in perspective. Psychedelics often make us confront things that we thought weren't that important, and see them more as how they actually were, as long as they're properly integrated. Which takes us to

What do you mean by "integrating the experience"?

Integration usually refers to incorporating into your life and mind whatever the experience showed you. The specifics differ between people and experiences: sometimes it can be making some changes in your life, sometimes it can be reflecting on a topic until understanding it better... I personally consider an experience to be integrated when I have made any changes that after the experience it became clear that would be positive, and when I can reflect on the experience and the topics that came up without them being confusing, upsetting or disturbing. If you search in the forum, you'll find threads with other people talk about how they do it, personally. It's a highly personal process. In the end, the idea is to translate the experience into growth.

the next trip I take, I'll let whatever is happening happen in a much safer environment

I think you will see a clear difference for the better if doing that

Can you give me some examples of intentions? Like going into it with the intention of making art? Or something more psychological?

Oh, that's whatever you want to do or get from the experience. For example, your intention for this last experience was to focus on the visual effects of LSD and appreciate them. You should choose an intention (or maybe even more than one for different parts of the trip if using LSD, as it lasts so long) that you feel comfortable with and you feel is right in the moment. That way, you can remind yourself your intention during the experience and go back to it, and it's more likely that you get from it what you intended. The idea is for it to serve as an anchor and to go back to it gently: sometimes during the experience you realize your intention was not very adequate, or the experience has its own plans on what to do. That's fine too, but a bit of planning usually pays off.

Thanks for the heads up! I never considered the taboo nature of psychedelics in public, and will keep it in mind for the future

Unfortunately psychedelics are very scary for a lot of people, including the police and medical professionals, and they tend to be illegal. It's better to plan having that in mind than getting the police called on you. You know better than anyone else your specific context and situation, just be mindful of potential dangers.

Thank you for the insight. There are not many individuals I know interested in psychedelics (at least openly). It's good to be able to discuss these things with others who are more familiar with these substances and can also share their experience.

I think you've come to the right place! There are many people here with a lot of knowledge and experience that also like to read about other people's experiences, and/or share theirs. I personally have been sharing a log of my "huasca" (oral DMT + harmalas) experiences here and the feedback and ideas I've gotten from other users has been very valuable to me.

What psychedelics are you familiar with?

Years ago, I used mostly mushrooms (cubensis that I grew), LSD (actually 1P-LSD, it metabolizes to LSD but is still legal here) and AL-LAD. AL-LAD is kind of like LSD on training wheels: very visual (although the visuals tend to be somewhat simpler), less deep, and shorter in duration.

Nowadays I'm using mostly oral DMT (either pure or from a mimosa brew) with harmalas, actually almost on a weekly basis. Sometimes I have low doses of LSD, or maybe 2C-B. But those are more for fun occasions.

When do you find yourself taking them, and what intentions do you aim to get from them?

I'm using a huasca brew almost weekly, usually laying down in the dark. My intentions nowadays are to get to know the substance better (cultivate a relationship with it, so to speak), heal trauma from my childhood and early 20s, and become more awake to reality and aware of it, instead of living like a zombie or in a trance. So far, it has helped me a lot!

I wish you all the best for the future as well! May your trips be fruitful.

Thank you! See you around here, and if you want to share some of your future experiences here, we'll be happy to read them

 

[doubledog]

My previous trip was in a local pine forest with some mates while we were picking some magic mushrooms

May I ask which species of mushrooms it was? Where I live, pine forest is the place where NO magic mushrooms grow.
Edit: now I see in your other post that it's probably P. Azurescens, eventhough I always thought that it's some kind of grass lover mushroom.

Regarding your trip:
I'd say that is quite common LSD experience in such environment - paranoia, mind loops, delusions should be expected.

 

[ForgingNewPaths]

May I ask which species of mushrooms it was? Where I live, pine forest is the place where NO magic mushrooms grow.

Regarding your trip:
I'd say that is quite common LSD experience in such environment - paranoia, mind loops, delusions should be expected.

Psilocybe Subaeruginosa. We found ~1kg wet was a man-made pine forest for logging. We found them in the massive clearing of smaller trees/bushes, which were growing to be logged. It was the perfect environment of adequate rainfall, low temperatures, decaying matter, the mycelium present under the forest floor, and adequate light. It's a very common spot and probably one of the most well-known in my state. We also found plenty in stringy bark forests or Eucalyptus forests closeby to creeks.

I've included a photo of the dried haul!

 

[ForgingNewPaths]

May I ask which species of mushrooms it was? Where I live, pine forest is the place where NO magic mushrooms grow.
Edit: now I see in your other post that it's probably P. Azurescens, eventhough I always thought that it's some kind of grass lover mushroom.

Regarding your trip:
I'd say that is quite common LSD experience in such environment - paranoia, mind loops, delusions should be expected.

We also found a few Amanita Muscaria's, in the proper pine forest areas, but I don't know much about them, or how to safely consume them haha.

 

[northape]

You've got your answers already. From my point of view, all is normal. The only real issue here is set and setting, as always.
Why are you people so keen on hero doses? What do you wish to find there? It's just more of the same stuff.
It's not like DMT space is different from normal reality. It's more about our ignorance about what is here.
There is nothing normal in reality; all is magic.

When I had ego dissolution, it was with Psilocybe azurescens: "among the most potent of the tryptamine-bearing mushrooms, containing up to 1.8% psilocybin, 0.5% psilocin, and 0.4% baeocystin." I am very fortunate to be able to go picking for these in the wet season where I live (I have 90g dry from a few picks this recent season).

Oh my God! You're all set. Why search for anything else? It's always better to work with Nature; she's the best chemist.
Just start your own mushroom ceremonies. Go slow and try to know thyself!

Much love

 

[rkba]

In the end, my partner made an incredibly beautiful cup, painted with a gradient and three clay ladybirds on the side, and I had made a blue and yellow bowl, which my partner accidentally dropped a hairdryer on hahaha.

As I am navigating life's Path, I have come to the feeling that accidents/coincidences don't exist. Not that your partner did that on purpose. More that you created the event and this is the reflection you observed.

Every reflection observed can be used to observe yourself and one can integrate that observation into the Being, if so desired.

This broken bowl event could be a beautiful event for integration. Only you can feel its significance, since it is your own reflection. Recall the events and feel with your Heart, 'feel' the meaning.

There will be associations coming up in your mind, loosely observe the associations without too much thinking about them.
If you start thinking, let it go and do something else. Repeat this process until you 'accept'. If it ever needs re-evaluation afterwards, it will present itself again.

The process not about doing it right or wrong, it's just about doing it. With lots of practice we can start listening to our Heart and integrate our Heart into the decision process that we use to follow the path of Life.

 

[ForgingNewPaths]

You've got your answers already. From my point of view, all is normal. The only real issue here is set and setting, as always.
Why are you people so keen on hero doses? What do you wish to find there? It's just more of the same stuff.
It's not like DMT space is different from normal reality. It's more about our ignorance about what is here.
There is nothing normal in reality; all is magic.

Oh my God! You're all set. Why search for anything else? It's always better to work with Nature; she's the best chemist.
Just start your own mushroom ceremonies. Go slow and try to know thyself!

Much love

I was mistaken, the mushroom species I pick is Psilocybe Subaeruginosa!!! But Psilocybe subaeruginosa is still ranked high among the world's most potent Psilocybin species.

And yeah exactly I understand myself and the substance a bit better now. I underestimated the length of the trip, and when it would start to ease off, being my first time at 250ug, and second acid trip, leaving me tripping in an unfamiliar environment.

With the first time mushroom trip, it wasn't an intentional hero dose to be honest, I was a beginner a few years back and didn't do my research. Changed my life for the better, to be honest.

I don't chase hero doses, I prefer milder trips, 3g lemon tek is enough for me. If I want to experience and appreciate visuals, I may go to 5g, but very very infrequently.

Nature is the best chemist for sure, mushrooms are fantastic, but the mushrooms upset my stomach quite a bit, ginger and honey help and consuming it as a tea, but I find the come up on LSD much less vomit-inducing than Magic Mushrooms (especially if they're fresh and I'm just eating them).

I prefer to consume the whole mushroom, even with lemon tek to ensure I get the full amount of goodies.

Much love too.

 

[northape]

As I am navigating life's Path, I have come to the feeling that accidents/coincidences don't exist.

Once I had a girl I liked, and she gave me a ceramic fridge magnet as a present. I had no permanent place at that time, so the magnet ended up on my parents' fridge. When I visited my mom some months later, she accidentally pulled on the magnet. It fell and broke into many pieces. I knew right then and there what was up.

Nature is the best chemist for sure, mushrooms are fantastic, but the mushrooms upset my stomach quite a bit, ginger and honey help and consuming it as a tea, but I find the come up on LSD much less vomit-inducing than Magic Mushrooms (especially if they're fresh and I'm just eating them).

Western problems, as they say. Read this from the perspective of someone living in North Korea or a less fortunate guy from Africa.
You have too many choices. Sticking to one medicine is akin to a relationship: you'll get back just as much as you put in.
If mushrooms upset your stomach, see what happens with ayahuasca or its analogs. You need to make some sacrifices too, nothing is free.
In my experience, mushrooms are one of the most body-friendly psychedelics around.
Learn from others. We're not just talking. Most of it comes from experience.

All the best

 

[Panpsychic]

Wanted to share my recent experience with 250ug of LSD.

The first 5-6 hours of the trip were fantastic, went on a walk through nature, had some mandarins from a local tree which tasted amazing, and had visuals in a local park down by a river (geometric patterns in the grass and trees, and everything was at a much higher contrast). Also went and picked up some things from the hardware store with my partner.

I took two tabs at 1pm, as I wasn't rostered to work. At 7pm we had a pottery class organised, which, in hindsight, going to an unfamiliar location on LSD was not a good idea haha. I was hoping to hallucinate, as I haven't ever reached that level of visuals.

My previous trip was in a local pine forest with some mates while we were picking some magic mushrooms, in which I had quite a spiritual experience. I got separated from the group, and felt this profound ability to experience the trip naturally as it would come, with no judgment from anyone.

I was fine on the way to the class, but what I believe sent me spiralling was that my partner started to use music and the lyrics from the songs in the car to communicate with me, which sent me spiralling in a thought loop about subconscious programming and the CIA (MK Ultra and LSD were the first things to come to mind).

It didn't help that this was the first class, so the environment was completely new, and I hadn't met the teacher. It was in a nice enough area, but I was on edge before we even entered. Once we found the place and sat down, there was another class in the front room, and it was just my partner and me in the back. I'm usually quite functional on drugs and psychedelics, and many people have no idea when I am under the influence of them. This was only my second time on LSD, previously taking 125ug about 5 days prior.

For some bizarre reason, an inner voice was telling me that the instructions from the teacher were "subconsciously programming", or an obscure test of "psychic ability". For a bit of time, I thought that I would be able to move my hands with the clay in a way that would allow able to control the teacher's hands, or manipulate the atoms in the clay. Obviously, in hindsight, this is all a completely bizarre delusion. I then would focus on things just out of my field of view to see how they would change, remaining sceptical of both my partner and the teacher.

Being able to hear the other class led me to be quite disoriented due to having issues with auditory processing and feeling overwhelmed.

For future reference, I think I will give it about a month between trips for my brain to reset to baseline in the future, and only indulge in familiar environments.

I ended up telling the teacher I had dropped LSD before the class, but he didn't seem to understand or just didn't know what I meant due to a language barrier. In the end, my partner made an incredibly beautiful cup, painted with a gradient and three clay ladybirds on the side, and I had made a blue and yellow bowl, which my partner accidentally dropped a hairdryer on hahaha. I ended up using a paintbrush to attempt to create a spout.

Just wanted to share my bizarre experience with LSD I still have 2 tabs remaining, which I am a little hesitant to take anytime soon.

I pretty much always get intense paranoia with LSD but in the reverse order, it startes out that way for the first 2-3 hours then I am with radiant bliss for the remaining 8-9 hours or so.

I have come to see the paranoia phase, which is often accompanied by distorted visuals as a 'cleansing' period, where subconscious inadequacies, insecurities and fears surface in order to work through and resolve them. LSD can be very analytic in that sense so look into what exactly was being magnified with the paranoia effects, its something deeper in the psyche I would say.

A recent trip on 300ug was very tough for this early part but with experience I have learned to ride the wave of the paranoia and even sometimes to see what it is trying to show about my personality, and let it pass to lead to the blissful phase.

 

[northape]

I have come to see the paranoia phase, which is often accompanied by distorted visuals as a 'cleansing' period, where subconscious inadequacies, insecurities and fears surface in order to work through and resolve them.

I think that's how psychedelics operate. Our ego starts to crumble at the beginning of a journey, and all the issues and suppressed stuff come to the surface.
If you work through it in all honesty, beauty and euphoria are there as a reward. Or maybe not a reward, but the later state is closer to whom we really are, without our baggage. Ayahuasca works like that and can be very challenging in the first phase.

A recent trip on 300ug was very tough for this early part but with experience I have learned to ride the wave of the paranoia and even sometimes to see what it is trying to show about my personality, and let it pass to lead to the blissful phase.

That's it. Be present with what you see, don't panic and let it all play out.

 

[blig-blug]

I have come to see the paranoia phase, which is often accompanied by distorted visuals as a 'cleansing' period, where subconscious inadequacies, insecurities and fears surface in order to work through and resolve them.

I was reading yesterday "A Wee Bit More About DMT" by Nick Sands, and he suggested to use LSD before taking DMT (200ug, take DMT at the 10th hour) as a cleansing procedure, ensuring that your mind is in the correct state to approach DMT. It seems like a good approach to me. I may try vaped DMT at the end of an Ayahuasca experience for that same reason, plus the effect of the harmalas.

 

[northape]

I was reading yesterday "A Wee Bit More About DMT" by Nick Sands, and he suggested to use LSD before taking DMT (200ug, take DMT at the 10th hour) as a cleansing procedure, ensuring that your mind is in the correct state to approach DMT. It seems like a good approach to me. I may try vaped DMT at the end of an Ayahuasca experience for that same reason, plus the effect of the harmalas.

That's how I do my aya ceremonies. Traditionally, they do a few ceremonies in a row and maybe use a purgative beforehand.
I usually do only one ceremony at a time. My first dose of Ayahuasca is to clean the body and get into the medicine space.
Later on, I redose depending on the situation and work at hand. However, if you want to go deep, your first dose needs to be strong.
The level of immersion depends on the first hit of the medicine. It's very difficult to reach the same depth with a redose.
Therefore, you need to really prepare beforehand: maybe fast, use a purgative, or do two ceremonies in a row.

 

[Panpsychic]

I was reading yesterday "A Wee Bit More About DMT" by Nick Sands, and he suggested to use LSD before taking DMT (200ug, take DMT at the 10th hour) as a cleansing procedure, ensuring that your mind is in the correct state to approach DMT. It seems like a good approach to me. I may try vaped DMT at the end of an Ayahuasca experience for that same reason, plus the effect of the harmalas.

Thats an interesting perspective, yes I can see this approach although due to tolerance effect LSD at that dose would need to be only every 2-3 weeks minimum and some like to do DMT more frequently, or at least for a period of time before maybe having a longer break.

I definitely think though that with short acting psychedelics like DMT/Changa or 5-MeO-DMT you are getting more into the higher states and there is less opportunity for the work on your everyday personality which can lead to the well known 'spiritual bypassing' effect. So it makes sense to do work with longer acting psychs in general alongside the shorter acting ones.

I do quite often though do a Harmala+DMT trip at the end of acid trips, simply because there is much reduced anxiety about launching than from the usual baseline consciousness so I take it as an opportunity.