Mystery tek help...chemists please help

[quantimoto]

Hello all,

I've been trying through trial and error to recreate a DMT tek that I received when first introduced to the drug.

So far, I've been unsuccessful in getting the desired result. I have tried MHRB, ACRB A/B and STB teks. I have been able to get DMT, but not one that matches my previous experience.

I want to narrow my questions to the following:

1) What tek would result in a large grain, rough texture (larger than sand grains) yellow DMT that only vaporized/burned at very high temps (much higher than normal DMT)?

2) Would it be some sort of salted form? Would it be some sort of zinc reduction step? Sodium carbonate or bicarbonate cleaning?

I don't want to get in the qualitative differences in the experience, I really want to focus on why it would take so much more heat to burn/vaporize and why it would have so much larger grains as its texture.

All thoughts welcome - thank you.

 

[benzyme]

that does sound like a salt form, maybe FASA, or some A/B/A.
afaik, reduction won't give a yellow product. that's the point of doing a reduction, to reverse the oxidation which gives yellow/orange-colored oxide.

 

[quantimoto]

Thank you, my understanding of a salt form is that it's meant to be ingested - is there a salt form made for freebase?

Do you have any tek guides you use for A/B/A or other salt forms (FASA aside)?

thanks again

 

[benzyme]

you’re correct, a salt is meant to be orally consumed..however, liver enzymes rapidly metabolize it, so an MAOI is required. I’ve read beta-cyclodextrin enhances bioavailability, but am not sure of the efficacy.

a free base is a different form of DMT. it is the ‘pure’ form. a salt is a stable, ionic complex, and thus, has a higher melting/boiling point. it is an acid-conjugate of dmt free base.

the dmt free base can be consumed with an MAOI or readily vaporized, because of its low boiling point. For all practical purposes,
the orange wax is just as active as white grainy crystals, just not as aesthetically appealing.

 

[leratiomyces]

Hi quanti,

You asked this question a month ago and I see you are still looking for answers.
You might never get the answer you are after,

No tek is going to produce dmt that burns or vaporises at a much higher temp than what dmt normally vaporisers at.
That's not how it works.

I can provide you with two possibilities to account for the characteristics of your mystery substance.
1) it was a dmt salt which successfully converted to freebase and volatilised with heat. Some drug salts can do this.
2) your mystery substance was a mixture of dmt and some other substance that burned/volatilised at a higher temp.

I'll put my money on 2.

If you ever find the mystery substance again, don't inhale/ingest it. It sounds wrong.

Don't bother looking for a tek that's going to produce what you describe. Sorry to sound harsh.

 

[quantimoto]

Thank you both for taking the time to respond.

I wish I could let it go, but I can't - so powerful (and consistent across several trials) was the experience. The joyousness of the feeling was akin to peak MDMA, while the visuals were full alice in wonderland (closed eye). Then bodyload was such that it made me shiver intensely (cold).

It was closer to the characteristics of changa. FB of pure DMT is a bit of a waste to me, lacking any meaning the way you might find in aya.

 

[leratiomyces]

I see where you are coming from.

Don't get caught up in trying to recreate the past experience.
Embrace the future.
Psychedelics are notorious for producing different experiences, even if the compound is the same. The variable is you, and everything about you, at that instant in time.

I wish I could have the same experiences I had 25 years ago, but it ain't going to happen. That person is no longer.

Enough philosophy.

Look on the bright side, the next time you ingest something, you'll probably know what is in it. This is important and satisfying.

 

[pete666]

Could it be dmt freebase mixed with pure extract of rue? Pure dmt experience is very different from the mix.

Please do not smoke salts of any substance where you are not 100% sure it is safe.

 

[quantimoto]

Yes, I'm with you knowing what you're smoking as being the way - and yes, the idea that it's me that's changed has occurred to me, but what makes me think it might be the substance is that it was so physically different (vape temp, texture) and that difference matched the qualitative differences.

It could have been a combo with rue, but the grains were homogeneous in color/size/texture and I haven't heard of a tek to combine the two into one FB form - is there one or some thread you can share?

 

[pete666]

I am not aware of anyone doing that, but I can imagine dissolving both in some solvent (methanol?) and evaporating it. Question is the final structure. Might be ok when evaporated slowly. Check this.

 

[quantimoto]

thank you, at least I have something new to try now

 

[quantimoto]

I am not aware of anyone doing that, but I can imagine dissolving both in some solvent (methanol?) and evaporating it. Question is the final structure. Might be ok when evaporated slowly. Check this.

update: melting dmt in shot glass and adding harmalas, mixing, and drying - seems to me the most likely answer.

Does anyone have Freebase ratio suggestions? I was thinking 1:1:1 dmt:harmine:THH or 2:2:2:1 dmt:harmine:THH:harmaline

I will experiment, but would love thoughts on this if anyone has tried FB ratios.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I was thinking 1:1:1 dmt:harmine:THH or 2:2:2:1 dmt:harmine:THH:harmaline

Both of these sound good; bear in mind you may get hotspots unless liquid DMT proves to be a good solvent for FB harmalas - which, incidentally I (we) would be interested in hearing about...

 

[quantimoto]

By 'hot spots' do you mean spotty distribution of dmt to harmalas (consistency issue in the ratio)?

Will def report back.

I was thinking 1:1:1 dmt:harmine:THH or 2:2:2:1 dmt:harmine:THH:harmaline

Both of these sound good; bear in mind you may get hotspots unless liquid DMT proves to be a good solvent for FB harmalas - which, incidentally I (we) would be interested in hearing about...

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Yes

 

[padawan]

To the OP, my guess is that you previously had full-spectrum (aka 'jungle', 'jim jam' etc) DMT in dry-ish/waxy form that was subsequently 'powderised' as much as possible.

Your shotglass idea is interesting - kind of like changa but without a herb to carry it.

 

[quantimoto]

I thought that too, but on trying it - that wasn't it. There was definitely a full on euphoria, to the point of uncontrollable giggles that maybe further points to harmala SSRI effect (just guessing here).

The experience was never 'dark', always very happy, and had noticeable body load (also caused shivering).

The sheer happiness, and not just from breaking through, was notable.

To the OP, my guess is that you previously had full-spectrum (aka 'jungle', 'jim jam' etc) DMT in dry-ish/waxy form that was subsequently 'powderised' as much as possible.

Your shotglass idea is interesting - kind of like changa but without a herb to carry it.

 

[quantimoto]

quick update:

I've been unable to find an ideal mix yet - but I've been using crude ratios.

I'm thinking of just using a rue or caapi freebase extract - both with and without DMT added - to allow for their natural ratios to shine through and also to determine if the harmalas are the dominant effect I'm looking for.

 

[quantimoto]

I'm pleased to say, I've finally re-discovered what I was looking for!

Take the following recipe with a massive grain of salt - I do not claim it to be any sort of special anything, other than what is my favorite way of smoking DMT.

1) DMT - Full spectrum spice - STB 50% Acacia 50% MHRB

2) Caapi - I used 4:1, but I suspect yellow would do just fine.

3) Melt combine the two above ingredients in 1:1 ratio (the DMT melts into the Caapi).

4) Wait until dry.

5) Put 200 mg of above formula in GVG

Yes, I know this seems high, and I don't finish the dose as a good amount is clearly remaining in the GVG, but it allows me to keep toking until I can't really hold the pipe up anymore. I take around 10-15 hits over 30-45 seconds from the GVG using a torch lighter.

This yields amazing CEVs, light and euphoric feeling. no darkness at all (sometimes just DMT can go dark for me and without the sheer joy of experience).

I'm thrilled to have found that this is what works best for me. Thank you for helping me on this journey. I plan on using it as a my own form of anti-depressant as it worked tremendously for me in the past.