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[DMTripper]

I've never done mescaline but I'd really like to try that out.
Should I just eat cactus or is there a better way around things for me for my first experience?
I was thinking to buy Peruvian Torch from a headshop. Is there any chance to get proper cactus from a headshop?
I'm not looking for some heavy tripping the first time.

 

[Phantastica]

personally, i wouldn't trust a headshop with this. you should just order from online; its also cheaper that way. Heavenly Products is an awesome vendor, and i recently ordered some Torch incense from them and got pretty good yield so far using ron's limo tek. I would suggest you take this route as well, because eating the cacti will also be much more nauseating with imprecise dosage. With extracted material, you know for sure how much you're taking, and you can adjust accordingly. btw, mescaline is the gentlest of the psychs, so a strong trip is manageable. hope this helps:d

 

[dragon-n]

if, and only if, you have an iron stomach, you will have no problem with downing powdered dried cactus.
just put it into empty capsules and down with OJ. you'll never taste a thing.
10 grams is a good starter, the "dried outer flesh" cactus from the above vendor is extremely high quality at about 2-3% mescaline, i find.
if you have any prior experience with tripping, that amount should be no problem at all, intensity-wise.
to powder the cactus, put it in a DRY blender and blend until there are no more chunks in it.
if you don't have an iron stomach, then maybe look into a tea-method or the 69ron tek, though both require far more time and effort.
also, you will always lose mescaline if you process it in any way.
let your stomach do the extraction if you can hang!!! 8)

 

[DMTripper]

Thanx for the info. I'll look into this.

 

[ragabr]

SWIM adores the 69ron tek and Phlux's resin tek appears to have a strong following. She gets pretty nauseous for a bit, even with the extractions, on the come-up, so pure cactus would never work for her.

 

[DMTripper]

Which is better for extraction the Peruvian Torch or San Pedro? Both the same maybe?

 

[dragon-n]

Which is better for extraction the Peruvian Torch or San Pedro? Both the same maybe?

i have extracted both and got similar yields.
BUT, there is a huge difference in what is in those yields.
san pedro has mescaline as the main alkaloid but all the other alkaloids are very sedating...almost groggy.
so if you don't purify the mescaline, you're gonna end up lying around yawning for 3 hours until the mescaline kicks in.
these sedative alkaloids also alter the mescaline experience greatly...one aspect of this is that they put a "silencer" on the visuals.
i have accidently taken a massive overdose of san pedro, and experienced practically no visuals for how high i was....it was absurd!!
on the other hand Torch has very few other alkaloids.
i have separated torch mescaline from the other torch alkaloids and eaten only the "throw away alkaloids."
the resulting experienced produced zero sleepiness and actually felt like mescaline!!
so when you eat torch you're actually just experiencing pure mescaline...
i honestly can't tell the difference between pure mescaline and torch, except for the fact that eating the cactus produces a greater body buzz from the digestive process whereas mescaline crystals just send your consciousness up, up, and away!
it's just a preference thing but i like torch infinitely better because it's more electric, dynamic, visual, and powerful compared to the more laid back, muted, dreamy, pedro state.
they don't call torch "san pedro MACHO" for nothin'...

 

[jmaxton]

Which is better for extraction the Peruvian Torch or San Pedro? Both the same maybe?

Both are fine for extraction, as far as I'm concerned, but they may produce different experiences depending on the specimen and method you choose.

The general consensus seems to be that an average Peruvian Torch's (T. Peruvianus) alkaloid profile consists mostly of mescaline, while an average San Pedro's (T. Pachanoi) is more of a mixed bag with other alkaloids lending their own characteristics to the experience. Please note that there's quite a bit of disagreement here, so take that assertion with a grain of salt. A particular specimen's growth and storage history may play a big role as well. As with any plant-based entheogen, it's tough to make definitive statements about their activity because there can be so much variability from specimen to specimen. To add even more variables to the equation, I've seen several 'reputable' vendors selling what they called Bridgesii or Peruvianus specimens, but they actually looked suspiciously like the standard San Pedro as described by what I'd consider to be trusted sources (Trout/M.S. Smith/etc.) :evil:.

Since an extraction like 69ron's limonene/HCl tek is aimed at getting mostly pure mescaline out by washing with acetone and IPA, using it might 'level the playing field', so to speak. On the other hand, a resin tek on a Peruvianus vs. a Pachanoi could provide drastically different results. I suggest that you try both types of cactus (maybe some Bridgesii, AKA Achuma, too) with different extractions teks over time and settle on the one that suits your taste and personality best. If you obtain live cuttings and plant one from each batch prior to extraction, you can then propagate those you like best and use them for many years to come. Of course, your growing conditions could alter the cactus' properties...

OK, so that answer was probably more complicated than you wanted, but I hope it gives you some more info to make your decision with.

-JM

 

[DMTripper]

Thank you all for your information.
I'll definitely try to do an extraction some day when I have time. I'm getting very curious about mescaline.

 

[dg]

if, and only if, you have an iron stomach, you will have no problem with downing powdered dried cactus.
just put it into empty capsules and down with OJ. you'll never taste a thing.
10 grams is a good starter, the "dried outer flesh" cactus from the above vendor is extremely high quality at about 2-3% mescaline, i find.
if you have any prior experience with tripping, that amount should be no problem at all, intensity-wise.
to powder the cactus, put it in a DRY blender and blend until there are no more chunks in it.
if you don't have an iron stomach, then maybe look into a tea-method or the 69ron tek, though both require far more time and effort.
also, you will always lose mescaline if you process it in any way.
let your stomach do the extraction if you can hang!!! 8)

be prepared to take up to 25-50grams dried
make more than you think you might need, dose yourself in stages, its frustrating to not make enough imo

unless what you get is really 2-3%, which isn't very common

 

[dragon-n]

be prepared to take up to 25-50grams dried
make more than you think you might need, dose yourself in stages, its frustrating to not make enough imo

unless what you get is really 2-3%, which isn't very common

yeah, good advice.
took 15 grams of some Scopulicola powder tonight...it was about 1% mescaline i feel, which reflects around standard pedro for me.
would probably need 40 grams to get deep and that's coming from a place of high sensitivity. mescaline is just so nice...hard to overdo.
i'm convinced i have 4-5% outer-green torch skins so this is quite the contrast.
17 grams of that made the whole room completely unrecognizable with liquid visuals melting the whole room to a slow, pulsating hieroglyphic glow.
10 grams of the same torch brought me to intense waves of tearful joy...very moving to say the least. couldn't have been less than 300-400 mgs. for being that moved!!
15 grams of the not-as-good-stuff will just make everything feel like it's in a warm, soft, fish-eye-lens of happiness.
i mean, i'm still on the computer so it can't be that strong!

 

[pau]

LOTS of good advice here for you in the above posts.

There are several species of Trichs as well as some specially-bred, extra-potent specimans out there, with different profiles of actives, but Torch seems to be a favorite of many cactus afficianados....stronger and right-on-the-mark. The other species do seem to contain a broader spectrum of goodies, that will send you on somewhat different voyages. Cactus can be a very un-DMT like opening of your connection to the universal consciousness, possibly smoother and easier to fall in love with, and you can see the many varieties as having different kinds of lessons to teach.

Built up tolerance can be an issue with cactus ... twice a week seems to be OK for many ... more than that and effects can go downhill fast. And to be conservative it's good to keep a few days between MAOI's and phenethylamines.

WARNING: in some areas, these are easy to grow and your wife may get upset if you start replacing her roses. Be sure to address these potential conflicts before ripping up your garden.

 

[DMTripper]

Could one extract from this powder:

http://www.ecrater.com/p/8531380/cptrch100g-100-grams

Or is it missing someting?