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Hello, I just got some supposedly "LSD" from a friend few days ago. He didn't give me a clear definition for how many hits is in there. He said something around 40 to 100. But the problem is when i check the liquid in bottle its very white.

He claimed he dissolved a piece of LSD crystal in vodka and each drop should make 2 hits since its very potent. I don't know if LSD turns such white in vodka, actually i have no idea about LSD in liquid form. The big problem is i count more than 300 drops in this bottle which makes everything harder for dosing. When i look at the white chunks in the bottle i can tell that there is more than like 50mg of some substance that i don't know (may be any RC).

Owner of this is me and another friend, I am not in any kind of rush to use it until i totally understand what is in there. But my friend insists on trying it. I don't want any of my friends to OD on this unknown stuff can anyone gimme any idea ? I know about the test kits available on market but it will be hard to make my friend wait until one arrives here for sure. It is a bad situation for me. I am attaching some pictures below that u might give me an idea.
 

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the simplest thing you can do is dispense one drop on white paper, and observe it under a blacklight.

molecules differ by structure, in this case, we are considering the difference in double-bond saturation (pi-bond conjugation). because of these differences, we can exploit how they absorb UV light, since the molecules will transmit different wavelengths. the result will be a certain color observed. for LSD, it is light blue. LSA appears slightly more green.
 
well if you ask me, that's likely not going to be LSD.

Granted from eyesight is a horrible way to identify a compound. However, you have a LOT of suspended/crashing out crystals there. I don't mean to judge your friend but, 1 drop = 2 hits? and 40-100 doses in the bottle? Kind of obscure.

How much liquid is inside of the jar? Probably hard to measure but honestly lets run some theoretical figures here.

Say there are 100 200 ug dosages aka 20000mcg or 0.02g. In your dropper alone it looks like there is around 20mg of crystals. Let alone the whole bottle.

LSD solubility from an msds says that 100mg /ml solutions of methanol are easily prepared. So I'd imagine ethanol would be similar and water as well. So I'd say its a RC. My guess would be an NBOME with an excess of HPbCD complex(what is not in the solution).

If that is LSD be very careful, a drop would be more like 10-100 hits. Then again who knows what that white stuff even is could be anything.
 
benzyme said:
the simplest thing you can do is dispense one drop on white paper, and observe it under a blacklight.

molecules differ by structure, in this case, we are considering the difference in double-bond saturation (pi-bond conjugation). because of these differences, we can exploit how they absorb UV light, since the molecules will transmit different wavelengths. the result will be a certain color observed. for LSD, it is light blue. LSA appears slightly more green.
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Ahh boom :) that's the benzy. I'm sure your mind tells you this is absolutely not LSD but still provided me with the last chance possible for my circumstances. Thank you a lot by far the best possibility offered to me mate. Ok I don't know if standard black-lights we have for homes are the UV lights u mean but I think it is. So when i put 2 drops under my black-light first i got a "pinkish red" color i think then more to like "grey-pinkish" color, or may be simply my eyes went weird under black light :p i attached 2 pictures . Each drop turned out to give around my finger tip size of stuff in it. I think the pictures don't show the color but if it was a bright blue i was expecting to see its simply not then.
 

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well if you ask me, that's likely not going to be LSD.

Granted from eyesight is a horrible way to identify a compound. However, you have a LOT of suspended/crashing out crystals there. I don't mean to judge your friend but, 1 drop = 2 hits? and 40-100 doses in the bottle? Kind of obscure.

How much liquid is inside of the jar? Probably hard to measure but honestly lets run some theoretical figures here.

Say there are 100 200 ug dosages aka 20000mcg or 0.02g. In your dropper alone it looks like there is around 20mg of crystals. Let alone the whole bottle.

LSD solubility from an msds says that 100mg /ml solutions of methanol are easily prepared. So I'd imagine ethanol would be similar and water as well. So I'd say its a RC. My guess would be an NBOME with an excess of HPbCD complex(what is not in the solution).

If that is LSD be very careful, a drop would be more like 10-100 hits. Then again who knows what that white stuff even is could be anything.
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I dont know in ml how much liquid but im sure far more than 300 drops with that dropper pippet is in there. I have attached 2 pictures for benzy's repply under my black light. so i dropped 2 drops there and they split on paper approximately 1.3cm x 1.3cm :) i know it doesnt make any sense may be but just saying. The proplem is my friend was in some weird situation when he was giving this whatever it is and i think he just put some amount that he doesnt even know and give me .. thats what i get after i talked to him few times. Not a bad person but he is totally inaccurate and very sloppy guy :D
 
LSD fluoresces blue after excitation with photons of wavelengths of approximatly ~325nm do you have a spectrum for the bulb you have used for this? If it's a common blacklight fluorescent tube bulb it's likely more geared towards 400nm but that doesn't necessarily mean it can't go to the short-wave UV-A region. It should fluoresce green in 1M NaOH with about the same excitation source..

Well what I am saying is if it was pure LSD chances are you'd have a gram or so in your dropper bottle(judging by the insolubles alone). Saying a gram is 40-100 hits is more of a harmful doing then being merely sloppy.
 
You are totally right Inmotion. I mean what i will do is to simply split a drop into 10 portions and let my friend try i think. I'm even afraid of doing this but i cant let him simply take 1 or half drop in this case.

I don't know about the wavelength it doesn't write on the bulb. But as far as i know some ranges are forbidden for household use anyways cause they can cause blindness, that's why I'm not sure if a standard black-light would do the trick.

When i check it last its really hard to identify and particular color for it .. more like greyish something.
 
Last time I assuredly had genuine LSD it fluoresced similarly as to yours did only it appeared maybe more 'brown'. Though I, like you, was using a cheapy UV bulb. I don't neccesarily condone making a friend a guinea pig to take an unidentified substance though so long as it is diluted I see little harm in this. If it can be diluted and still be incredibly active I would have a sit down with your other friend and ask why he would thumb print you against your will.

Anyways best of wishes to you, hopefully it is LSD. I recommend investing in ehrlichs reagent if you take LSD seriously/frequently.
 
benzyme said:
the common GE "blacklight blue" bulb emits @ 365 nm.
d-LSD fluoresces light blue at this wavelength, epimers appear darker.

Ehrlich's will form an adduct at the 2-position of any indolealkylamine,
so another reagent (dragendorff's) is typically used in conjunction.
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So basically what you say is the result i get under my blacklight, was supposed to be light blue and mine is definitely not light blue.

Then you said Ehlrich reagent will attach to 2 positions of LSD molecule and it will not yield healthy results, so Dragendorff reagent should be used alongside Ehlrich's to get an accurate result ? Ok that is definitely something that i can not handle.

By saying epimers of LSD do u mean it might have some kind of impurity or it might be degraded? or it is a totally fail substance which we can never estimate its health risks and such?

I don't have chemistry knowledge, but i just want to know if LSD does not flouresces light blue under UV that means it is not LSD at all or i still got a little chance its LSD? :)
 
InMotion said:
Last time I assuredly had genuine LSD it fluoresced similarly as to yours did only it appeared maybe more 'brown'. Though I, like you, was using a cheapy UV bulb. I don't neccesarily condone making a friend a guinea pig to take an unidentified substance though so long as it is diluted I see little harm in this. If it can be diluted and still be incredibly active I would have a sit down with your other friend and ask why he would thumb print you against your will.

Anyways best of wishes to you, hopefully it is LSD. I recommend investing in ehrlichs reagent if you take LSD seriously/frequently.
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I know what u saying man. Remorse is last thing i need trust me. But as you said after diluting if its still so harsh then i will have a long talk with the friend who gave me this for sure. ;) I hope nothing will go wrong tho. :) Thank you for good wishes I will report hopefully good results as soon as it has been tested.
 
i really doubt that is lsd i mean really is someone were to have real lsd why in he hell would hey put that much id say its 99% not lsd
 
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