need help on gvg smoking method

[cecil_cbr]

So i bought a vapor genie a while back, and ever since i started smoking dmt i've had decent effects but never very strong. I don't know what i'm doing wrong, but for some reason i can't get to the level i want to.

How long do you hold the lighter to the pipe? I feel like maybe i'm heating it too much or something because when i take a hit only a small amount of smoke comes out when i blow out my hit and i only have mild effects. Or maybe i'm not heating it enough? I've tried various methods and it doesn't really change much.

This last trip i had i loaded up some changa in my gvg (about 250 mg, so around 125 mg dmt total) and took 6 hits in a row. I took as big of rips as i could, and after holding it in as long as i could and blowing out the hit i immediately took another and then another and then another. I pretty much did this until my lungs couldn't take it anymore, and what i experienced was decent, but not very profound (some cev and a weird body high).

I then tried putting 80 mg of plain dmt in the gvg and smoking it straight, but the same thing happened. What the hell am i doing wrong? I am getting really frustrated and don't know how i can break through. Is there any links you guys could point me to? I tried searching for some but couldn't find any. Thanks for the help.

 

[3rdI]

I would try more heat, I think I could clear 125mg in 1 hit, not that I would try:surprised.

Are you using a torch lighter?

 

[tele]

Sounds like somethings wrong big time.


What screen and lighter do you use? (I suspect you use normal lighter which doesn't give you enough heat or your screen is wrong)

If you use freebase, I recommend you get copper scrubber mesh and make it perfectly fitting 3-6mm thick disk which is pressed together(not too hard).

The tip of the torch lighter(normal lighter doesn't work too well) should be around 0,5-2cm above the glass edge. Inhale slowly. You should see thick vapor filling the glass. Let us know what technique you use in more detail(lighter, screen etc.)

I have broken through with dose as low as 19mg. It's best to take it all in single inhalation.

 

[cecil_cbr]

yeah, i'm using a regular lighter so maybe that is the problem. I tried hitting it hard and holding the lighter in place for a good while, but i felt like it was a little too hot for my lungs to handle (it was towards the end of the bowl so maybe i was just inhaling straight heat from the flame?)

I took a look at my screen and it has a big black spot on it, so maybe it is time for a new screen? I actually had this same problem when i first bought my pipe so i'm not sure..

 

[tele]

yeah, i'm using a regular lighter so maybe that is the problem. I tried hitting it hard and holding the lighter in place for a good while, but i felt like it was a little too hot for my lungs to handle (it was towards the end of the bowl so maybe i was just inhaling straight heat from the flame?)

I took a look at my screen and it has a big black spot on it, so maybe it is time for a new screen? I actually had this same problem when i first bought my pipe so i'm not sure..

Don't use regular lighter, just get a good quality torch lighter.

Another thing, don't use plain screens, it will drip through. Get copper or stainless steel scrubbing mesh and make your screen as mentioned before.

All this you could have found out yourself by doing some research first. Result: No results when attempting vaping.:thumb_dow
Well in the future you might succeed.

Sounds like you also used the normal lighter in wrong manner: result is soot on the ceramic and screen

 

[Global]

yeah, i'm using a regular lighter so maybe that is the problem. I tried hitting it hard and holding the lighter in place for a good while, but i felt like it was a little too hot for my lungs to handle (it was towards the end of the bowl so maybe i was just inhaling straight heat from the flame?)

I took a look at my screen and it has a big black spot on it, so maybe it is time for a new screen? I actually had this same problem when i first bought my pipe so i'm not sure..

Yeah, you'll definitely wanna get a torch lighter. The great part about the torch lighter is that it can get it to vaporizing temperatures much quicker than a bic and as a result, you don't have to be inhaling that harsh air/vapor for as long.

A black spot may not be much of a problem with your screen, but having only one would be. If all you have is one screen (or even several), then the DMT is able to run off too easily making it highly unlikely that it will vaporize as it cools and condenses at the bottom of the neck. What you'll wanna do is either do as tele recommended in regards to the scrubber mesh, or you can also make an herb bed or an ash bed on top of the screens to maximize the chance that the DMT won't be able to run off before vaporizing. Hold in your hits for like around 15 seconds. Assuming that you've held it in long enough, you actually shouldn't see yourself exhaling much vapor if any at all.

 

[rabies_70]

+1 for the necessity of a good torch lighter. Cheap ones WILL fail you.

This isn't a dig to the OP but I am consatntly amazed at how many people report problems with the GVG. Personally I found reading the extensive postings on this site about it's use more than imformative to realise that when these folks said basically:

" Get GVG, extra screens, copper scrubber, good torch lighter, about 2 cm away from glass, (once it starts vaping I sometimes extend that to 3-4cm) little 4 second pull to melt, then nice long even pull, not too hard. Hold in for 15 - 20, repeat. Set it down gently and safely while you can "

That would be the soundest advice. I'm glad you didn't give up. Essentially that^^^ is my technique. Not an expert by any stretch but it works every single time. I did find if I placed the tip of the flame too close I would "carmelize" some of it so now I make sure to focus also on the distance of flame to GVG (not always the easiest of tasks, right?!)
Breakthrough each time. Zero misfires.

To address your questions specifically,

After the initial premelting pull, which you can see happen through the GVG, I seem to have the flame ignited for about 8-10 seconds (complete estimation from memory recall sitting here thinking about tha last 30 or so uses) or so give or take, the first 3-4 seconds there is no to very little vapor then it comes on strong, towrads end of pull is when i typically increase flame distance to maybe 3-4 cm. When I'm full I'll hold and wait, then exhale and repeat as best I can at that point.

I am under the impression that we have to have this accomplished within the first 30-60 seconds because after that more doesn't affect us due to rapid tolerance buildup? Someone might be able to address that and clarify and i will search it again as well.

The most ever with this technique was 50. That was a very interesting travel. At 30 without a hitch travelling occurs every time for me. I cannot begin to understand what 80 would do using this technique.

I would guess the molecue was either heated too much and deactivated, or not enough and just dripped into the GVG, but that is merely supposition.

I wish you well on your journeys and hope this information was helpful

 

[cecil_cbr]

great, thanks for the replies and help. I will definitely go buy a torch lighter and different screens and see how it works out. I was also thinking about making a 2:1 changa mixture of dmt:herbs instead of the 1:1 mixture i've been using up til now. Maybe twice as much dmt will make it much easier to break through next time

 

[pleasants]

A torch would help for sure, but I've had success with a normal bic lighter. One thing I do is heat up the screen (made from pot scrubber charred in a flame) before I load the spice. This helps to melt the spice onto the screen before you hit it. It vaporizes much easier this way with a bic lighter.

 

[Coastal_Shaman]

I really wish people would stop hating on the regular lighters.. No disrespect Tele, I respect what you have to say here very much but torch lighters are not necessary. To the OP, it's all technique. Practice makes perfect. I have been using a bic lighter for the last year and a half with somewhere around 200+ trips. I would say 80-90% of those trips were succesful launches. I have no plans whatsoever to purchase a torch lighter for my gvg.

C_S

 

[Global]

I really wish people would stop hating on the regular lighters.. No disrespect Tele, I respect what you have to say here very much but torch lighters are not necessary. To the OP, it's all technique. Practice makes perfect. I have been using a bic lighter for the last year and a half with somewhere around 200+ trips. I would say 80-90% of those trips were succesful launches. I have no plans whatsoever to purchase a torch lighter for my gvg.

C_S

It may be all about technique, but when we have a new member who is struggling with the GVG, there's a good chance a torch lighter will remedy the problem. Sure if you have good technique, it shouldn't matter, but I can just picture countless members clogging their ceramic filters with soot in no time from regular lighters in the process of "practice". When I first got my GVG, I used a bic, and sure I would have "successful launches", but getting a torch lighter revolutionized the ease and depth with which I could plunge into the experience, and getting the Arc Torch lighter further revolutionized my experiences allowing me more and more profound breakthroughs with absolutely minimal frustrations. No disrespect to you, Coastal_Shaman, but there's something fundamentally fishy when you claim how unnecessary torch lighters are considering that you haven't actually tried them. It's analogous to those who denounce DMT, or psychedelics despite the fact that they haven't actually tried them. Once again, I have no doubt that your methods work for you, but for those who ask for help with their gvg technique, changing lighters has been the solution for many.

 

[cecil_cbr]

Well it sounds like my technique is the problem, i guess i need to keep practicing to see what works best for me.

You guys think it would be ok to double the amount of dmt in my changa? I am a hard head when it comes to anything to maybe that is part of the problem, but i'm not sure if its really that bad of a thing if you get too much in one hit? Just straight to hyperspace im assuming?

 

[tele]

Well it sounds like my technique is the problem, i guess i need to keep practicing to see what works best for me.

You guys think it would be ok to double the amount of dmt in my changa? I am a hard head when it comes to anything to maybe that is part of the problem, but i'm not sure if its really that bad of a thing if you get too much in one hit? Just straight to hyperspace im assuming?

Just get a proper screen, proper temperature and inhalation and you're set.

Have you tried plain DMT(freebase)? Changa needs more heat and it might be easier for you to blast off with freebase.

 

[cecil_cbr]

yeah i tried freebase, i put it on the screen and it melted right away so i was worried it all got wasted. I tried smoking it anyway and i pretty much felt almost nothing. I then let the pipe cool and tried loading freebase again, and i got the same results. I ended up loading about 75 mg each time, so i'm not sure what i did wrong but it sounds like i didn't get it hot enough. I'll definitely try getting a new screen and a torch lighter and try it again...

 

[Silly(c)One]

Nobody asked this specifically, so do you keep the vapor deep in your lungs for at least 10-15 seconds ?
I wouldn't make strong changa, that beats the point a little, and should not be needed if your technique is good enough.
Keep at it with freebase DMT until you got your technique down and can consistently brake through with doses below 50mg.

With proper technique, a 80mg dose in a GVG with a good torch lighter like the Arc should be vaporized in 1 single toke, maybe not even a lungful, and send you far, far away into hyperspace...
And a 250mg changa could be vaporized in 2-3 tokes but you'd probably be completely gone before you exhale the first...

 

[tele]

yeah i tried freebase, i put it on the screen and it melted right away so i was worried it all got wasted. I tried smoking it anyway and i pretty much felt almost nothing. I then let the pipe cool and tried loading freebase again, and i got the same results. I ended up loading about 75 mg each time, so i'm not sure what i did wrong but it sounds like i didn't get it hot enough. I'll definitely try getting a new screen and a torch lighter and try it again...

The problem is in your screen most likely.

You will need a copper or stainless steel scrubber mesh screen made to 3-6mm thickness, the size of the bowl. This is the only successful method I've used.

Then keep the torch lighter tip at about 1-3cm above the bowl.