Need serious help with trip problem

[gaybowflex]

Ok so recently I have synthesized my own batch of the good stuff and I didn't get to break through my first couple of times using it but did tonight and it was the most amazing experience of my life. My girlfriend also tried it and broke through her first time and agreed that it was the most amazing experience for her as well. She claimed to have had a woman with her the whole time helping her and walking her through the whole process.

The problem starts here though, as of the last 2 times she has tried smoking it she has had nightmarish trips that result in her bawling and crying telling me it is of the most terrifying experiences she has ever had. She states that she arrives to a place with 3 figures present and during her first experience with them she said that she felt as though they were telling her that she would never be able to leave and that she had come too far and I believe that could have been because I accidentally gave her a dose that was too high. This last time that she tried it, a day later, she started crying and bawling about 1 minute into her trip and when she came to she was telling me that she was once again approached by 3 figures giving her the impression that her existence in the human realm was all fake and that where she was now is the true reality and that she had nothing to go back to.

She told me that it started after she began telling herself that the trip would be over soon and that she would return to reality and I would be there but the figures that were there began to convince her otherwise.

Now my theory is that either she is not ready for such a journey or maybe she doesn't believe in the spirituality of the whole thing. Honestly I am not experienced enough with this matter and am that is why I come to you guys to try and help me and give me ideas as to what I should do about this or maybe she should take a break or try approaching it with a different mindset or what. I even had her meditate a little bit before she tried it again this last time but still with no avail. She does take xanax but I dont know that that would make any difference in anything but if anyone has any thoughts or ideas I would really appreciate the help because I really want her to enjoy her experiences with this just as much as I and continue to do this with her.


All help and ideas would be greatly appreciated and if I posted this in the wrong place I am sorry

 

[Ringworm]

bah, they're just goofy spirits. They like to mess with ya. Tellem to f*ck off. Or make fun of them, remark about the fact that this is their only plane and you at least have a body somewhere else.

btw spirits, sex and tobacco are freaking awesome.... not that you'd know.

Btw, these planes are interactive, you can ask questions, you aren't just an observer.

 

[gaybowflex]

bah, they're just goofy spirits. They like to mess with ya. Tellem to f*ck off. Or make fun of them, remark about the fact that this is their only plane and you at least have a body somewhere else.

btw spirits, sex and tobacco are freaking awesome.... not that you'd know.

Btw, these planes are interactive, you can ask questions, you aren't just an observer.

It wasn't me it was my girlfriend but she said she was trying to speak to them but she couldn't make out words correctly at all, DMT is her first psychedelic experience so I was just thinking that maybe she's not ready or something of the sort. I tried to tell her to tell em to fuck off last time but i guess no

 

[Purges]

You synthesized some spice? Wow, impressive, you know it's pretty easy to extract right? Cheaper too probably

As for your girl - are you weighing these doses? How much are you giving her? Have you experimented with lower doses or did you just jump in the deep end? These were my first thoughts when reading this.

Also, how long are you leaving between journeys? Deep ones in particular need a decent amount of time to sink in, I wouldn't advise going in more than 1-2 times per week, max.

It may also be a good idea to try pre-dosing some harmalas, I find my most rewarding journeys have nearly always involved a hint of harmaloid goodness...

Good luck!

 

[gaybowflex]

You synthesized some spice? Wow, impressive, you know it's pretty easy to extract right? Cheaper too probably

As for your girl - are you weighing these doses? How much are you giving her? Have you experimented with lower doses or did you just jump in the deep end? These were my first thoughts when reading this.

Also, how long are you leaving between journeys? Deep ones in particular need a decent amount of time to sink in, I wouldn't advise going in more than 1-2 times per week, max.

It may also be a good idea to try pre-dosing some harmalas, I find my most rewarding journeys have nearly always involved a hint of harmaloid goodness...

Good luck!

no i made a mistake, i did extract it lol. We are not weighing these doses i feel like the first time she freaked out i gave her way too much, but the first time she broke through she was more than fine.

These journeys have been once daily and we are both relatively new to this so the 1-2 times per week advice does help a lot.

and i have never heard of harmalas but I will look them up right now and find out what that's all about, thank you for the reply and the help mate!
Cheers

 

[Purges]

I would suggest cutting back on journeying, my tough experiences have usually come after a period of heavy use, hyperspace will warn you to back off if it thinks you are going there just for fun. If you look around the forum there are numerous reports of this happening - notably this one, which is often brought to light at times like this...

Harmalas are contained in the Ayahuasca vine (banisteriopsis caapi) and also Syrian Rue (Peganum Harmala) - in a traditional context, DMT is pretty much always used in conjunction with them. They add guidance and personal content to the journeys and also extra 'plant spirit' - we have a whole forum dedicated to them here. They are essential if you want to take DMT orally as your body produces Mono Amine Oxidase, which destroys DMT before it reaches the brain - harmalas inhibit these enzymes and are therefore known as MAOIs (Mono Amine Oxidase Inhibitors). Smoking bypasses the gut and takes the molecule directly to the brain, how ever, even with this ROA they do add a distinctive character. I personally use caapi extract and I do get a strong feeling of a 'motherly' type presence. I hghly recommed giving them a try.

You can make a tea to drink or extract the alkaloids and then eat / smoke them as you see fit. I find my journeys are far less random and bizarre with harmalas and there tends to be a lot more personal content as well. If you plan to keep smoking DMT, may I suggest looking into Changa.

Also PLEASE buy a milligram scale, this will help you find both of your sweet spots, and help under/over shooting the mark - for me it is between 15-35mg, 20-25 being my usual dose of choice. It is a bit of an artform this DMT stuff

 

[Pup Tentacle]

Not to sound crass but if something one is doing to oneself is painful or uncomfortable or bad the easiest way to relieve the problem is to stop doing what causes it.

Maybe backing off of some or stopping for your lady is the answer. Maybe some milder doses of some less intense psychedelics wouldn't be bad as a little training/experience. While I think nothing prepares you for the spice experience fully, I feel personally, that previous experience with other psychedelics has helped me with the letting go and surrendering that is absolutely necessary for me with Spice.

Good luck brother!

 

[d*l*b]

Do yourself and your girlfriend a favour and get a milligram scale. Although some people are fine with large doses and going off the deep end it’s maybe best to regulate doses, especially with an inexperienced psychonaut in tow.

Whilst you say that a possible factor leading to bad experiences could be “maybe she doesn't believe in the spirituality of the whole thing”, we all come from different standpoints on this area of thinking. I, for instance, don’t come from a spiritual understanding of the whole thing, I couldn’t even tell you what “spirit” is! We can all only come to our own conclusions on what it all is (mine change weekly!).

One thing to be aware of while working with spice and other heavy psychedelics is that difficult experiences do come with the territory. You can do everything possible to induce a comfortable experience but you may well be bowled a curveball. If you expect nothing but love, oneness and the rest spice is not the game to play.

 

[Purges]

One thing to be aware of while working with spice and other heavy psychedelics is that difficult experiences do come with the territory. You can do everything possible to induce a comfortable experience but you may well be bowled a curveball. If you expect nothing but love, oneness and the rest spice is not the game to play.

He makes a valid point! We ALL get put through the wringer once in a while, no matter what. A lot of what the spice has to teach is about facing fears IME - which often means inducing fear. It's nothing to be scared of though :lol: Respect is what's in order with this stuff.

 

[tele]

One thing to be aware of while working with spice and other heavy psychedelics is that difficult experiences do come with the territory. You can do everything possible to induce a comfortable experience but you may well be bowled a curveball. If you expect nothing but love, oneness and the rest spice is not the game to play.

He makes a valid point! We ALL get put through the wringer once in a while, no matter what. A lot of what the spice has to teach is about facing fears IME - which often means inducing fear. It's nothing to be scared of though :lol: Respect is what's in order with this stuff.

Yeah, on some blastoffs one can definately encounter energies that seem to be extremely unpleasant and try to spook you off from hyperspace.
Often the tough blastoffs seem like some kind of tests and the next time I smoalk after them the journeys are "back to normal".

Altough some shit that can be encountered is so unpleasant and F'd up that I absolutely can only wonder why can it be like that, too. I guess it's much like our daily reality.

Usually when it comes to fear I think it's best to try to face it, but when it comes to DMT trips and unpleasant encounters, I suggest one tries to stop or fight back the unpleasantness/or even possibly evil precence starting from the very moment you feel it. As for some reason I think most often comes in the form of an entity.

I guess with time one can learn to face the two sides of DMT, once the balls have gone up a size or two:wink:

 

[The Observer]

I would suggest sticking to Budweiser.

Sounds like you aren't giving apice the respect it needs, considering the strength and depth, and potential for terrifying experiences, when treating this as a "shoot from the hip" irresponsible approach.

Maybe after you mature a bit more...............

IMAO

 

[tele]

I would suggest sticking to Budweiser.

Sounds like you aren't giving apice the respect it needs, considering the strength and depth, and potential for terrifying experiences, when treating this as a "shoot from the hip" irresponsible approach.

Maybe after you mature a bit more...............

IMAO

lMAO let everyone go the path they choose. Even when I think spice deserves the deepest respect possible, but in case one chooses not to give it, it's their way of doing it and if there's something wrong with that in the "opinion of the spice", it will show it sooner than later.

We come as humans who are willing to take the leap and sometimes I wonder why hyperspace couldn't respect us for that. But I guess I can call them tests then, and I for sure have gone through enough of the dark side and afterwards I think is it really necessary.
Basically I think it's enough respect by being willing to take a leap of consciousness.
At least when taking it after the first time:wink:

 

[dtrypt]

OP comes across as someone who has never seen DMT...

 

[gaybowflex]

Thank you all for your suggestions. I am definitely going to do some more reading and try and understand how to go about this more respectfully because I have nothing but the utmost respect for this substance. There is no underestimation or disrespect for the spice in my mind whatsoever. Now the conclusion my girl has come to is that she took a very high dose her second time (which I agree was probably over 60mg) and that she was rejected from her trip because entities were telling her she has come too far and that she can never go back and fucking with her and then she tried it again (with a lower dose) and had the same reoccurring trip.

I agree it was extremely immature of me to even consider about going about the dosing of this without a milligram scale.

I am going to research some of the suggestions given by you guys and consider them and work will my girl to help her understand certain things because she is adamant about continuing her use (with a break of 2 weeks till her next try) and hopefully things go well.

If anyone else has any suggestions I would be more than happy to hear them

 

[Wax]

First off I would also suggest getting a scale, its a fine line when working with substances this powerful. Secondly you mentioned that your girl friend had a bad experience and ended up crying when it was over, if she was affected that deeply she should definitely take some time to integrate the experience before attempting it again. As stated above try changa or pre dosing some harmalas it makes all the difference. Also if this was her first time on psychedelics and she got the pants scared off her I would think she probably had a negative mindset going into the experience the second time which would contribute to the bad experience.

If she wants to try it again set up a comfortable atmosphere where she can relax and have her meditate at least 15 minutes before she hits the spice. Meditating or just relaxing and letting yourself drift into daydreams is a good way to prepare your mind to experience an "alternate reality" because you are not fixated on this world you can slip more easily into hyperspace with less abrasiveness.

Most importantly, don't try to talk her into giving it another shot. Let her make that decision for herself. She has seen what is on the other side so she will know if she wants to go back and if she doesn't then obviously it isn't for her.

 

[gaybowflex]

First off I would also suggest getting a scale, its a fine line when working with substances this powerful. Secondly you mentioned that your girl friend had a bad experience and ended up crying when it was over, if she was affected that deeply she should definitely take some time to integrate the experience before attempting it again. As stated above try changa or pre dosing some harmalas it makes all the difference. Also if this was her first time on psychedelics and she got the pants scared off her I would think she probably had a negative mindset going into the experience the second time which would contribute to the bad experience.

If she wants to try it again set up a comfortable atmosphere where she can relax and have her meditate at least 15 minutes before she hits the spice. Meditating or just relaxing and letting yourself drift into daydreams is a good way to prepare your mind to experience an "alternate reality" because you are not fixated on this world you can slip more easily into hyperspace with less abrasiveness.

Most importantly, don't try to talk her into giving it another shot. Let her make that decision for herself. She has seen what is on the other side so she will know if she wants to go back and if she doesn't then obviously it isn't for her.

I will definitely be getting a scale before I try it again. I just looked a lot into changa and I think I am going to give it a shot as it looks like the way to go about this kind of experience.

She will indeed be taking some time to reflect on the experiences she had before she tries it again. The funny part is though that I did recommend she meditates and she did attempt to before I gave her the dose.

I would never try and push anyone to do anything like this or any other psychedelic, I am highly experienced in other realms of psychedelics and I know the dangers of pushing someone towards it when they are not ready but she asked me if I would allow her to try it and she did fine the first time.

Do you guys think that it is the fact that she took too high of a dose the second time and didn't give it time before coming back and trying to breakthrough again?

Also I had a question, I have oodles of syrian rue at my house because I am of Iranian descent and my parents keep that shit stocked at all times to burn as a sort of cleansing incense and blessing. How would I pre dose them? Do I have to prepare them a certain way or should I just chew them and then wait a bit and smoke the spice? I am a noob on this shit :|

 

[jamie]

"Also I had a question, I have oodles of syrian rue at my house because I am of Iranian descent and my parents keep that shit stocked at all times to burn as a sort of cleansing incense and blessing. How would I pre dose them? Do I have to prepare them a certain way or should I just chew them and then wait a bit and smoke the spice? I am a noob on this shit :|"

Rue is sacred man..that stuff is some serious spirit filled visionary medicine..it's not shit by a long shot:wink:

Brew up no more than 1 gram of it into a tea to start with..At around 3 grams of 2 for some people rue can become visionary on it's own..larger doses and it can really take you right into the spirit worlds..but if you are not experienced with this stuff much at all just start with 1g boiled into a tea..boil it 3x for 15-30 minutes at least..changing water between boils and then reduce it down to a shot and drink it 25 minutes before you smoke...

When you smoke the DMT will come on a bit slower, making you think you might not have taken enough..and then it hits you alot harder than normal and lasts longer and is more deep..more spirit..so be aware of that and dont just smoke too much.