Istubar
Rising Star
Hi there nexians!
It has been a while since the last time I was asking some questions in this forum about DMT extractions
Yesterday I did another attempt with the famous ayahuasca analog made of Syrian Rue and Mimosa Hostilis, and although it worked well, I still have the feeling that I'm not liberating the whole potential of this brew, because the effects caused are not so powerful as those which I can have with mushrooms or even weed. It can be that this is just how ayahuasca is, but I'm not sure if I compare my experiences with the ones from others, which seems to be very strong. Here is what I did.
Recipe and preparation:
Compared to the previews attempts made with 3 boils and reduction in just one day, this time I tried something different and longer, some sort of combinations from every tek I know.
I put the mimosa and the rue in two jars with destilled water and let them rest for four days, shaking the jars from time to time. The jars wasn't so big as desired (about 750ml-800ml each), in the future I would like to try with bigger ones, but they did the trick (pictures are from the first day, so the water looks very clear).
Once this four days passed, I placed them in the freezer for a day, and after that let them defreeze. Once they were unfrozen, I filtered them, preserved the liquid, and used the powder/seeds to perform two washes with 1000ml for the mimosa and 750ml for the rue. The first wash was enough turbid, but the second was pretty clear, so I did not perform a third one as I didn't think it was necessary. Then I combined all of the collected liquids and reduced the volume to a manageable one.
For the tannins removal, I tried the gelatin tek, using 3,6g of it (for 2000ml and 10g of mimosa present in the pot). First I took the pot out of the fire, add the jello from a cup (hot water + jello powder that was previously rested until it reached room temperature), and wait 15 minutes. After those 15 minutes, I came back and I saw nothing, so just to be sure, I add a white egg too, and let ir rest for another 15 minutes. Then I boiled it again, and now the magic took part although in an unexpected way; the white egg was like a normal white egg, not brownish or disgusting as expected (so like in previews attempts), but the water started to have some sort of accumulation of dirt, and a a sticky-weird substance began to attach to the walls of the pot. After let it boil for 30 minutes and remove a lot of semisolid foam with a spoon, I decided to filter the brew and clean the pot before continue with the reduction. This is what I got:
Pretty nasty, isn't it? (as I didn't have coffe filters, I use wet kitchen paper as one. They work fine!).
And this was the substance present in the walls of the pot. It was necessary to use some vinegar to remove it because it was very very sticked to the pot.
Once it was filtered, then I reduce to a desired ammount and put ir back in the jar, and once it was cooled, back again in the fridge for two days. Once these two days were gone, I filtered it again, and this was the result. An almost clear color, which look very beautiful in my opinion.
Then I add some pieces of ginger to each pot and let them reduce to a final ammount ready to drink, and let them rest and cool down. This is what I should drink in the following minutes.
Effects and short trip report:
It was very nauseating to drink the Syrian Rue brew. Now remembering the taste I get goosebumps... Jesuschrist it was horrible to drink it! Is there any way to improve the taste of the Syrian Rue? I've read somewhere that heating them in a pan or in the oven for few minutes helps, but I'm not sure of it. Next time I consider to try the jello tek and eat it instead of drink it.
After T+30 min passed away, and the effects of the harmalas were a bit noticeable, then I drink the mimosa tea. It was very disgusting, but not so nauseating and horrible as the rue tea (which was a bit surprising, as in one of my previews attempts while drinking mimosa tea I puked very violently just after drinking it). Definitively the gelatine worked as the ginger too did, however, it was necessary to drink small ammounts of it instead of a one big gulp. What a pity, becase before the reduction, the suposedly filtered and tannins free brew tasted almost good, like rooibos tea and forest (yes! forest taste like fresh herb and pine).
Around T+60 I was experiencing some severe narrow vision, waves of nausea and extasy/happiness that arrived from time to time, tinnitus, halo around some lights and objects, and feeling the music like never before (lama chants from Lama Gyurme & Jean Philippe Rykiel) while I was watching some fractals videos in youtube. Pretty amazing.
At T+90 min the purge arrived in three waves. In this time, it was not so violent and horrible as it was in previews attempt; just out and fine, although to remove the taste in the mouth I've used some mouthwash. The puke presented something I consider interesting and creepy at the same time, some sort of small black ball, like kiwi seeds and gelatine look a like cumulus. WTF is that? In any case, I felt a bit weak but nausea free after it.
At T+105 min I decided to go to my bed and lay down while having the visions. In my bed, with my eye closed, I experienced some "visions", hard to describe, which seemed like a fractal look alike similar to this:
And "dialoging" with those things while having a strong dizziness but enormous peace and relaxation. From time to time, I was experiencing like a huge electrifying vibration in my whole body, and seeing myself like emanating a blue flame. Hard to describe itself, but even more hard considering that English is not my native language (sorry if there are some errors or misspellings). In any case, it was more somatic than psychological, as the visions were not so clear like those I can have with mushrooms or salvia. It was more oneirogen than anything.
I was awake around T+190 min, but I felt a bit exahusted and I fall asleep unstil T+310 min (what a pity!). Arount T+360 there was no effect noticeable left, and I concluded that the experience was over. With ca. 6h it was shorter as expected, not sure if it has to do with the purge, the cold water extraction look alike, the tannins removal or the filtrations. Not bad at all, from a 0 meaning nothing and 10 teleported to another dimension and loosing of the ego, I would say a 7.5, but I still want to reach a 9-10, as I've think I reached with the mushrooms. Also would be interesting to say that this was my only attempt of them in which I woke up at the next day fully refreshed with no hangover or after effects. Even short after this 6h were gone I began to feel fresh instead of feeling poisoned and intoxicated (damm you harmalas!).
So after that, do you have the same feeling as me or do you have a stronger experience with ayahuasca rather with other substance? If this last thing is your case, then which tips and advices could you give me to improve my experience/recipe and potentiate my effects?
It has been a while since the last time I was asking some questions in this forum about DMT extractions
Yesterday I did another attempt with the famous ayahuasca analog made of Syrian Rue and Mimosa Hostilis, and although it worked well, I still have the feeling that I'm not liberating the whole potential of this brew, because the effects caused are not so powerful as those which I can have with mushrooms or even weed. It can be that this is just how ayahuasca is, but I'm not sure if I compare my experiences with the ones from others, which seems to be very strong. Here is what I did.
Recipe and preparation:
Compared to the previews attempts made with 3 boils and reduction in just one day, this time I tried something different and longer, some sort of combinations from every tek I know.
I put the mimosa and the rue in two jars with destilled water and let them rest for four days, shaking the jars from time to time. The jars wasn't so big as desired (about 750ml-800ml each), in the future I would like to try with bigger ones, but they did the trick (pictures are from the first day, so the water looks very clear).
Once this four days passed, I placed them in the freezer for a day, and after that let them defreeze. Once they were unfrozen, I filtered them, preserved the liquid, and used the powder/seeds to perform two washes with 1000ml for the mimosa and 750ml for the rue. The first wash was enough turbid, but the second was pretty clear, so I did not perform a third one as I didn't think it was necessary. Then I combined all of the collected liquids and reduced the volume to a manageable one.
For the tannins removal, I tried the gelatin tek, using 3,6g of it (for 2000ml and 10g of mimosa present in the pot). First I took the pot out of the fire, add the jello from a cup (hot water + jello powder that was previously rested until it reached room temperature), and wait 15 minutes. After those 15 minutes, I came back and I saw nothing, so just to be sure, I add a white egg too, and let ir rest for another 15 minutes. Then I boiled it again, and now the magic took part although in an unexpected way; the white egg was like a normal white egg, not brownish or disgusting as expected (so like in previews attempts), but the water started to have some sort of accumulation of dirt, and a a sticky-weird substance began to attach to the walls of the pot. After let it boil for 30 minutes and remove a lot of semisolid foam with a spoon, I decided to filter the brew and clean the pot before continue with the reduction. This is what I got:
Pretty nasty, isn't it? (as I didn't have coffe filters, I use wet kitchen paper as one. They work fine!).
And this was the substance present in the walls of the pot. It was necessary to use some vinegar to remove it because it was very very sticked to the pot.
Once it was filtered, then I reduce to a desired ammount and put ir back in the jar, and once it was cooled, back again in the fridge for two days. Once these two days were gone, I filtered it again, and this was the result. An almost clear color, which look very beautiful in my opinion.
Then I add some pieces of ginger to each pot and let them reduce to a final ammount ready to drink, and let them rest and cool down. This is what I should drink in the following minutes.
Effects and short trip report:
It was very nauseating to drink the Syrian Rue brew. Now remembering the taste I get goosebumps... Jesuschrist it was horrible to drink it! Is there any way to improve the taste of the Syrian Rue? I've read somewhere that heating them in a pan or in the oven for few minutes helps, but I'm not sure of it. Next time I consider to try the jello tek and eat it instead of drink it.
After T+30 min passed away, and the effects of the harmalas were a bit noticeable, then I drink the mimosa tea. It was very disgusting, but not so nauseating and horrible as the rue tea (which was a bit surprising, as in one of my previews attempts while drinking mimosa tea I puked very violently just after drinking it). Definitively the gelatine worked as the ginger too did, however, it was necessary to drink small ammounts of it instead of a one big gulp. What a pity, becase before the reduction, the suposedly filtered and tannins free brew tasted almost good, like rooibos tea and forest (yes! forest taste like fresh herb and pine).
Around T+60 I was experiencing some severe narrow vision, waves of nausea and extasy/happiness that arrived from time to time, tinnitus, halo around some lights and objects, and feeling the music like never before (lama chants from Lama Gyurme & Jean Philippe Rykiel) while I was watching some fractals videos in youtube. Pretty amazing.
At T+90 min the purge arrived in three waves. In this time, it was not so violent and horrible as it was in previews attempt; just out and fine, although to remove the taste in the mouth I've used some mouthwash. The puke presented something I consider interesting and creepy at the same time, some sort of small black ball, like kiwi seeds and gelatine look a like cumulus. WTF is that? In any case, I felt a bit weak but nausea free after it.
At T+105 min I decided to go to my bed and lay down while having the visions. In my bed, with my eye closed, I experienced some "visions", hard to describe, which seemed like a fractal look alike similar to this:
And "dialoging" with those things while having a strong dizziness but enormous peace and relaxation. From time to time, I was experiencing like a huge electrifying vibration in my whole body, and seeing myself like emanating a blue flame. Hard to describe itself, but even more hard considering that English is not my native language (sorry if there are some errors or misspellings). In any case, it was more somatic than psychological, as the visions were not so clear like those I can have with mushrooms or salvia. It was more oneirogen than anything.
I was awake around T+190 min, but I felt a bit exahusted and I fall asleep unstil T+310 min (what a pity!). Arount T+360 there was no effect noticeable left, and I concluded that the experience was over. With ca. 6h it was shorter as expected, not sure if it has to do with the purge, the cold water extraction look alike, the tannins removal or the filtrations. Not bad at all, from a 0 meaning nothing and 10 teleported to another dimension and loosing of the ego, I would say a 7.5, but I still want to reach a 9-10, as I've think I reached with the mushrooms. Also would be interesting to say that this was my only attempt of them in which I woke up at the next day fully refreshed with no hangover or after effects. Even short after this 6h were gone I began to feel fresh instead of feeling poisoned and intoxicated (damm you harmalas!).
So after that, do you have the same feeling as me or do you have a stronger experience with ayahuasca rather with other substance? If this last thing is your case, then which tips and advices could you give me to improve my experience/recipe and potentiate my effects?