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zubidlo

Rising Star
Hi travellers,

I just woke up to new day after the stream of visionary insights given to me by spirit molecule last night.
First I want to apologize for broken English, not a best tool to describe last night events, but I want to try anyway. Purpose is that I went through something different journey and I’d like to understand it. So if someone got an opinion or went through similar experience, please let me know.
Thank you.

PROLOGUE

I’ve got some experience working with spice last half year or so. I’m using free base DMT extracted by myself from Jurema root bark. From notes I keep I know that I extracted and studied about 4 grams already. My studies take place in my house during darkest night (around 2 a.m.) once in two weeks. I proceed till dawn usually. Basically I’m trying and trying, altering dosage, set up, technique, herbs enhancement and so on, till it has sense to continue. I’m using GVG most of the time.
During these entheogenic psychoanalyses I went through many intense DMT hyperspace trips and I’ve been given a wonderful ability of lucidity in dreaming (which I have to train to keep). I consider spice to be kind of mirror of mind with capabilities to modulate brain (or reality???) frequencies(???), tool to explore the mind. And it has something to do with mechanism of dreaming in my opinion. Maybe by thinking this I didn’t experience much of 'metaphysical visionary states' or such so far, didn't encounter many 'divine entities'. I’m not much of religion person either. But last night was different. Here I try to describe it...

ATTEMPT

Last night I worked with sample from fresh new extract. First time I used different Jurema, from different vendor (dark pink, whole chunks). Yield was great. In 3 hours, 5 successful attempts into breakthrough with various dosage were accomplished by GVG. MAOI containing leaves smoked with DMT in last two attemps. Overwhelmed by difference of experiences compared to DMT from different Jurema in almost every aspect. Three of five trips almost identical, in visuals and mind set. Two peaks experienced. First visually rich 'DMT hyperspace' and few minutes after, very meditative flying (floating) state with dreamy visions.

In Hyperspace:

Usually DMT ‘carrier wave’ of energy steals my body and shots my consciousness into ‘a dimension’ with great speed, no control, almost violent and to much to grasp. I have to let go (of fear, confusion...) to get to experience that realm fully, otherwise (if I fight against it) it become spoiled with uncomfortable confusing time loop sub breakthrough. Last night it was different. It wasn't violent, closed eyes visuals appeared slowly. There was no feeling of fast movement or rapid patterns transformation, it was moveless and stable, only slow movement noticed (kind of me turning head right or left). Visuals were as usual very sharp and beautiful and as I paid attention to a detail ‘a flush of light' appeared to enchanted that detail from which whole new vision aroused. Most of the time I was in ‘The Room’. It was most beautiful blue temple hall. The variations of colour was astonishing. Walls of temple were covered by most gorgeous ancient visionary art. If I fixed my view on one detail, flush followed, detail pop out from the wall and I've kind of melted into that picture (visions of people, animals, patterns...sometimes meaningful, sometimes not). Than back in blue temple different detail caught my attention, pop up and so on. There was no entity with me there, only really divine feeling that temple is alive and I’m welcomed and loved here. Now it'll become interesting. The main difference I noticed was, that I managed to keep control. I had to concentrate to stay in the temple (concentrate on visuals). If I didn’t, I fell out back to my body. But if I closed my eyes again I paid attention to visuals, the room arouse again and body went gone. I tested the level of control (during all 5 trips) and I was able to create visions on a wish too. I even fell into kind of evil mind mode, creating sinister visions of monsters and such. But as I concentrated to idea of room I was back into the temple soon or later (during the peak). I'd been thinking about this control ability and it felt like to be lucid in DMT hyperspace. Thats how it felt. Very divine experience, which was rare with DMT for me so far. I've got no idea, where Blue Temple Hall came from, but it was there with me whole night. I start to think that DMT is more than 'a mirror of my mind', I have to give the spirit molecule more credit and great deal of thinking and testing more. I actually asked Jurema, to show me something new before the I used it (I do speak with spice before every attempt, it's a ritual I keep):d
By the way auditory hallucinations were similar to any other DMT trip. I usually hear kind of repeating loop of 'chant' which changes its speed. I think it has connection to 'carrier wave' somehow. It is strange, obscure music, always sign that trip is going to be intense.

In flying state:

After first hyperspace peak finished, I was given few minutes of calm quiet mind trance during which I started to feel floating up from my body toward ceiling. It was accompanied with peaky feeling and dreamy visions. Actually it felt pretty much as a lucid dream. I was under control, felt very comfortable, almost ecstatic. I was able to choose what to dream about, it wasn't ‘divine’ as the blue room was, rather liberating and meditative. Real enchantment to DMT experience.

In Afterglow:

Mind set at afterglow (I hope it is right word for coming down) to each attempt was quite different too. It wasn’t like mediocre shrooms trip with ‘wtf just happened?’ thoughts. I fell quite nice and calm, lying down with closed eyes and very light, almost no feeling of body. Very easy to meditate and let body go totally. Strange thing happened during last (fifth) trip. I decided to look at my face in the mirror. What I saw was the mask of dead person in coffin at funeral viewing.:shock: It was my face, but lifeless. I remembered that horrible feeling at funeral when I saw my friend in coffin and realized, that he is dead, that he is not in that body anymore. I don’t know if you know what I’m talking about now, but that is what I saw in the mirror: Mask of somebody who was me once, but is dead now. I had problem to identify myself with my reflection too and I freaked out a bit. I've felt panic attack creeping up my spine. I couldn't get rid of the fear that I'm going to die in few days and how horrible that is(I was still triping).:shock: I had to really calm down. I realized that last two samples were enchanted with Caapi leaves and I've had quite enough of spice tonight. I recollected from memory that one of many names given to Caapi was ‘wine of dead’ or 'wine of spirits'.This dead presence feeling was the reason to end the session and go to sleep, it were dawning already.

Anyway, all and all last night was quite interesting, almost as different entheogen experience (???). I will do more testing with this new batch. With retrospect it was very delightful and vivid experience. One of the most profound and divine I’ve been given by spirit molecule so far. I saw overwhelmingly beautiful ayahuasca visionary art in the blue temple and definitely hope to go there again.:) This new Jurema is different...

Regards,
 
It’s very possible that the differences you experienced were due to the light dose of MAOIs from the caapi leaves. My first deep spiritual DMT experience was also my first DMT experience with an MAOI (caapi copy).

I’m a bit surprised that you journey as many as five times in an evening – especially since you use a GVG. Maybe you’re taking rather small doses? I’m not suggesting that you take larger doses, but for me, after a deep breakthrough, there’s no desire to return for days or weeks – there’s a sense deep satisfaction.
 
Hi gibran2, thanks for reply.

For me, these night sessions with DMT are matter of exploration. I know how does it fell not to desire to go back into that realm for weeks. I totally agree with you that it is enough just time to time really. And it is a healthy relationship with molecule that way. I got my rituals too.:) Free base shot into hyperspace can be pretty intense! Sometimes I asking myself when I'm in violent peak or schizophrenic sub-breakthrough 'Why I keep doing this???':d There was a bad trip once after which It took me 6 weeks to overcome the FEAR. I'm not sure, why I'm doing long sessions like that really. I learned that if I do it at late night before I go to sleep and I take enough of DMT I raise my chance to have lucid dream that night. My consciousness is harder to get fooled by a dream after DMT session. If session is done right I have quite a chance to realize awake dream state that night thanks to DMT itself. All this was observed in my life, but I still don't know how it works and maybe one attempt should be enough. But it was after long session like that, when I had first lucid dream ever. Maybe I'm 'greedy' because it is not everyday custom when I find courage to take that ride!:d

Yeah...dosage...It's a good idea! Maybe if I hit myself with bigger dose...actually I remember...I did once a huge dose (size of small pea) from yellow full range spice at the time (from first extraction)...and I think I lost consciousness in hyperspace for a while:? ...
That was before I bought GVG and it happened at the end of session I think.

I start with 30mg and go up by 5 or 10mg with each attempt. I get very similar trips if done short after. What dose do you like? Last night it was 50mg on top of Caapi leaves and trip got scary ending.

You gave me something to think about
Regards,
 
Early in my relationship with spice I also spent some time 'exploring' at the rate of 5-10 journeys per day, about an hour apart. I just couldn't get enough of the crazy, compelling world on the other side. At first I had no problems and was testing the waters with between 30mg and 50mg per pull using an old-school wooden VaporGenie. I would almost always learn or see something new and amazing. But I eventually ran into some scary stuff and it's much harder for me to get up the courage to launch more than once or twice in a row these days. Like gibran2 said, I'm giving it more time between heavy experiences now, sometimes multiple weeks. That seems to keep the evil at bay for the most part :shock: :?.

Also, my journeys with spice on top of caapi leaves or passion flower almost always get a little scary now. I really have no idea why, but everything forms into these unnerving zig-zag patterns. I then sometimes feel like I've allowed pure evil to enter this world and there's nothing I can do to stop it. Most of my journeys are happy and invigorating, but I definitely get the 'evil' feeling more often with caapi leaves in the pipe. I find that very strange, because drinking caapi tea is such an energetic and positive thing for me. I wonder if it's because the leaves contain mostly harmine (is that right?), as I believe I've read elsewhere at the Nexus. Maybe the higher proportions of harmaline and THH in the teas are friendlier with my internal chemistry.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I can relate to some of your experiences, Zubidlo. I wish you happy and safe travels!

-JM
 
Thanks man,

I think that fear is just part of the package here. It is just too powerful entheogen. In the beginning, when I sought DMT experience, fascinated by what I heard of it and imagined what it is like, I was already scared of it. After I extracted first batch I realized that there is quite a fear standing between me and DMT. Whole month passed till desire overcame the FEAR and I actually smoked it. I didn't have anyone to share this path with, it was just up to me alone. Anyway, I was shaking like tree in the wind taking first hit of DMT vapor. Nowadays it's different story, as you said it is us who allow demons in. My mind played tricks with me many times during the trips. Specially those sub-breakthroughs time-loops can be scary. As my confusion gets exaggerated into fear of never ending hell. I don't know if you've been through those, each mind is different.

But as was said, respectful relationship with DMT is essential, because nothing can prepare one to experience. Face our minds exposed, in its strange dimension. Why I coming back there I think is taste of that thought-less trance state, when I'm not much of me anymore, just plain awareness of existence, out of this world, with body left behind.

Thanks for encouraging worlds, I'm sure I'm not alone in this game :)

I wish you fine travels and that you'll find what you seek too
Regards,
 
zubidlo said:
Thanks man,
Why I coming back there I think is taste of that thought-less trance state, when I'm not much of me anymore, just plain awareness of existence, out of this world, with body left behind.
SWIM has found that 'just plain awareness of existence' the key for him. Becoming more attuned to this 'just plain awareness' has helped SWIM appreciate both the awe and horror he has witnessed.

SWIM practices noticing 'just plain awareness' like you might practice a reality check if one is a lucid dream chaser. This helps SWIM fall into just plain awareness when he feels too caught up in a journey - and in everyday.

Peace be with you.
 
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