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dbraunst

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Hi. I've lurked here quite a bit and have found this all very fascinating and interesting. I dabbled around with different psychedelics back long ago and have done quite a bit of research without stepping my toe in the water, which I think I'm finally ready to do. I've also recently become quite interested in tinctures and have bought various tinctures and made my own with both psychoactive and medicinal plants. I'm interested in what the community thinks about achieving the same results through B. Caapi tincture in combination with an Ad Mix tincture. From what I know and understand, high-proof alcohol is fairly efficient in drawing out all the plant constituents. There are B. Caapi tinctures ready made and on the market so I'm assuming that has proven to be an effective method and was wondering if I, say, pulverized Chacruna leaves into a powder and started a tincture would it be able to extract the DMT as effectively as decoction. It seems to me that both sort of wind up achieving the same goal, one you can do in a day and the other takes two weeks. I completely respect the traditional method but I was wondering if there was a slightly less rigorous. I am okay with having a less intense experience and am just doing this to hopefully gain more insight into myself. Any thoughts or comments are appreciated.

- Dan
 
Hello all. Well, I thought I'd reintroduce myself and keep everyone updated as to my progress and hopefully get some pointers or direction. I got the B. Caapi tincture and 56 grams of Chaliponga leaves which I pulverized using a regular food blender. I have been soaking the leaf mixture in about 3/4 of a bottle of Everclear for a little less than a week. I was very encouraged to see how dark the mixture was getting and so I've basically been experimenting every night as the tincture gets stronger. A few nights ago I probably took what amounted to a TBSP of B. Caapi tincture and shortly followed that with probably two TBSP of the Chaliponga mixture. I also took about 30 drops of Cannabis indica tincture. Two nights ago I did this and I have to say it was fairly intense for me. Not having the freebase DMT experience I don't have anything to compare it to. I also vaporized a small amount of Cannabis indica while in bed. Physically I started to feel very heavy and my muscles started contracting wildly and felt cold. I was picking up colorful visuals, nothing like what I've read here for some breakthrough experiences, but much more vivid than with Cannabis alone. I would say I was definitely having an experience unlike that of which I had before. It was somewhat reminiscent of my first Kratom tincture experience. So as mentioned I'm about a little less than a week into this and am wondering if it's really possible to get the breakthrough experience I'm kind of looking for. As I mentioned in my intro summary, I'm a little wary of getting into the heavy chemistry. So I have that Chaliponga mixture still brewing and getting stronger day by day and was wondering if I can alter it to make it more effective or should I just give this thing up. Thanks and I look forward to any and all suggestions.

- Dan
 
Sorry. Just one more thing. I was reading on another site about a DMT "body high" and that's exactly how it felt. It felt like an elephant was sitting on my chest and it felt almost uncomfortably hard to breathe, almost like I had to remind myself. The thing with my muscles contracting kind of scared me but it wasn't completely unpleasant. And like I read as well I had to get up out of bed to move around (started dancing actually) to just get me out of the head space like I was in a bad place physically.
 
Welcome dbraunst.
I personally have no experience making tinctures. I do basic MHRB A/B extractiosn myself. But we appreciate the information that you are bringing and am sure you will find all of the great people here very helpful. There is also a ton of experience and information here for you to take in and share.

Hostilis
 
Thanks hostilis for reaching out. I really appreciate it. :thumb_up: I guess I've come to a conclusion that this is probably not going to produce the results I want without burning the shit out of my mouth and getting drunk on grain alcohol. I tried an ounce of the Chaliponga tincture last night and didn't get a whole lot out of it. I think the law of diminishing returns has set in. That said, could you point me to a thread or link of the tek you are using? I'm sort of debating internally whether this is something that I need or should do. I've also been a very cerebral, contemplative person and I'm drawn to this like a moth to a flame. I've done my fair share of hallucinogens and have never been very prone to having visuals, but this experience sounds like something everyone should have at least once in their life. I just need to determine whether the reward is worth the risk at this point. I have a limited understanding of chemistry and I don't exactly have a willing lab partner in my wife and kids. Speaking of MHRB, I did a lot of research online and couldn't find anywhere that still carries it. I know it's against policy to talk about vendors but I'm curious if there are still reliable sources out there. Again, thanks.

- Dan
 
Hello fellow travelers. First of all, I want to thank you all for listening to me and humoring me. You've probably seen hundreds of people like me pass through here and I'm blessed to find you. After much research, questioning, seeking...I reached the place I was hoping to attain and it was the most intense, wild, cosmic experience of my life. I decided to shelve the tincture idea and try "Recipe One" here, Erowid Ayahuasca Vault : Ayahuasca Cookbook from The Resonance Project I tried to measure exactly and probably went slightly over the recommendations. Instead of using MHRB I substituted with Acacia confusa (inner bark). The prior night I used 56g of caapi and just 4 grams of Acacia and it didn't work. The following night I followed the recipe and the whole time I was thinking, "this isn't going to work" and "maybe this isn't for me" yada, yada...self-defeating language. It doesn't specify how much water to use so I filled up a small stainless-steel pot maybe half way with purified water, the lemon juice, vitamin C powder and the botanicals. Having more liquid than what I've read I drank two mugs of the brew still pretty hot. I have to say it tasted exactly like vomit with the acidity from the lemon and the tannins from the plants. I was fearing the purge and I guess I'm happy to say that didn't happen. There was some stomach discomfort but I guess I'm so used to drinking nasty plant stuff that it was okay. So I waited...

Just like it says, about fifteen minutes into it I started to feel this expansion and I almost felt like I was a giant and my bedroom became smaller. I decided to take a shower thinking this was just a mild effect. That's when the "fun" started. The visuals started along with some confusion, vertigo, etc. It just felt so pedestrian to shower and I started to feel scared as I was having a hard time controlling my thoughts and just standing up became a challenge. Being halfway done I just wanted to finish my shower, brush my teeth and get the hell out of the bathroom. I finally was able to make it in bed and it just became so intense that I couldn't listen to music or anything like I normal mediate to. It's hard to put the whole experience into words but it was the most transformative, heavy 5 or so hours of my life. I went through almost a whole recounting of my life, my relationships, happenings in my life both good and bad, etc. I felt complete loss of ego and concepts of money, work, time went completely out the window. I was just trying to focus on staying in the moment, breathing, and letting the thoughts wash over me. At one point I was really afraid of losing my mind, but I just kept bringing it back to "Mother Ayahuasca" and that she would take care of me and I kept thanking her for the experience. I had such an incredible journey in which I confirmed that my wife is my soul mate and what a great, caring mother she is to my children. In fact she led my son during the experience to the bathroom. Being not in the right state of mind I pretended to be asleep, but I really wanted to reach out to her and thank her for toiling and in many ways suffering for me and my children. They went back to my son's room. I could go on forever (but I won't) so here's a few concepts I kept thinking about:

- children are sacred and we must protect them at all costs; I thought about that in regards to religion and how God, no matter what the religious preference, would never want children to sacrifice themselves
- everyone needs affection, attention, caring now matter how twisted they have become. Even the most hardened, violent criminals were once children. I even thought that prisoners should have much more caring like dog programs and things like that.
- you can't govern nature including so-called "illegal" plants. The concept of possessing plants that are considered illegal is ridiculous to me now more than ever.
- most of all, I am nothing special. I am a very imperfect human being doing the best I can as is everyone else. I also am thankful for everything that has happened to me because it has made me a better person.

There's so much more but, like a dream, the experience is fading. It's so weird to have that experience and then, almost in an instant, I am back to more or less who I was before, but I am forever changed. This is powerful stuff and I don't know when or if I will ever do it again but I am sooooooo glad I did. I am you and you are me.

- Dan
 
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