New member, lost all CEV OEV, trying to recover, here's what I tried so far:

[Toadster]

Hi, I figured to introduce myself and seek for some advice at the same time.
If this is not the right place or any more background info is needed please let me know.

I've been doing NN-DMT now for 1-2 years after trying a home-made 2:1 vape cart from a friend.
I quickly learned to do extractions myself and have had the most astonishing experiences time after time, with as little as 2-3 tokes on a single coil or just 15mg on the e-mesh or orbit.

Unfortunately, since a month or 6, I've stopped experiencing any kind of visuals, not with closed eyes and not with open eyes, on every dose I tried.
It didn't stop me from trying tough, and I still had a very pleasant feelings, but I didn't any of the neon or bright colors or the unexplainable bright kaleidoscopic visions.
After reading up on the reddits and stranding on a 'minty' server I was convinced that it must have been my technique.
I think I've tried and bought every RTA/Mesh/device mentioned on the Redds and that server with every technique that would somehow reasonably makes sense.
The deems are clear white and off good quality if I can trust the trip report of my wife who had an amazing break-trough on just 12mg.

I've had amazing results with the RTA's, and quite often I was blown away by the dual coils. But for me, the downside of the RTA's are that i've found my workouts and especially the high conditional workouts to suffer after a good night of vaping d-juices.

The Orbit delivered an e-mesh like experience, but was easier to load and clean and since I enjoy spacing in nature it has been my goto device for a long time.

My last attempt was using the Nectar Hex on 1 25mg capsule on 160c and 1 25mg capsule on 180c with minor to zero results, my vision blurred a little, but that's it.
Not satisfied with the trip-results and a little weirded out that a device like the Hex let me down I took one of the dual coils rta's and filled it with a freshly made 1:4 60/40.
First 7 sec toke on 39 watts left me with the same results, nothing, minor visual disturbance. 2-3 minutes later I did a second toke of 7-8 seconds and I got the ugliest roller coaster ride of my life. My hart pounded trough my chest and my world started spinning uncontrollable, and yet, still no visuals!!$! After the white-out I came trough and was left baffled and hopeless, how Do I get back into the magical world??

I'll try to give as much relevant info as possible:

Personal:
fit active male, mid 40's, surfing, xfit, 225#

MEDS:
Ibuprofen, Arcoxia, No interaction with 5-HT2A receptor, dopamine or serotonin.
Occasionally anti-histamines but not in a 24hr window of consuming DMT.

DIET:
unchanged for the last 5 years, clean protein rich, 2-3 coffee, little alcohol, 0 sugar or diet, no processed food, but nothing extreme.

MOA:
- single coil RTA's (destiny/kylin) 1:4 60/40 90% restricted airflow, 19-24w.
- dual coil RTA (blotto/DR v3/) 1:4 60/40 80% restricted airflow, 38-43w.
- dual coil RTA (blotto/DR v3/) 1:8 60/40 80% restricted airflow, 38-43w.
- Yocan Orbit & Yocan Cylo, lowest voltage pulse fire (2 on, 1 off).
- Hex 2.0 150-170-180-190c, up to 30mgs.
- S&B Venty 170-180c, up to 30mgs.
- Mesh (wotofo profile m/ mesh pro clone), 15-20-25mg, 17-22-25w.

MAOI:
- Syrian Rue seeds 800-1200mg.
- Syrian Rue extract 10x, 50mg vaped on 240c.
- THH 50-80mg sublingual.



Any advice, MOA or suggestion welcome!

 

[blig-blug]

People more experienced than me will have more specific suggestions, but have you tried taking a break? It seems to do the trick for some.

About the rue dose, if that was oral, it's not usually enough for full inhibition. I would recommend trying 2g+, just don't try much more on the first time if you don't have previous experience because it's a powerful experience, with its own visuals at a high enough dose.

 

[Toadster]

People more experienced than me will have more specific suggestions, but have you tried taking a break? It seems to do the trick for some.

About the rue dose, if that was oral, it's not usually enough for full inhibition. I would recommend trying 2g+, just don't try much more on the first time if you don't have previous experience because it's a powerful experience, with its own visuals at a high enough dose.

Great question/suggestion.

I've had a 3-4 week interruptions due to traveling or work. Would that be long enough?

 

[Jamie01]

Hi Toadster. I can’t offer much help here other than some support for your idea that it’s not your meds. I also take a cox-2 inhibitor(celecoxib) and it does not seem to blunt DMT or other psychedelics at all. I will occasionally use an anti histamine at night and I don’t notice that effecting DMT either.

Good luck

 

[Tumupasa]

Hey Toadster, welcome!
I know how it feels, it’s like trying to break into a party you’ve not been invited to.
I’ve been there before but with ayahuasca so I also agree that your technique wouldn’t be in cause. What worked for me was waiting a few months and work on integrating all I’ve been gifted so far.

People more experienced than me will have more specific suggestions, but have you tried taking a break? It seems to do the trick for some

Yes, I agree that most of the time DMT seems to force one to take a break.
Maybe your intentions aren’t clearly defined, have you asked yourself why is it so important for you? Maybe taking a longer break, to reflect on all your beautiful experiences so far would be a good thing to do in first instance.

 

[Tumupasa]

Moreover, I think whoever / whatever (DMT, God, the Universe...) is generating this experience is giving a lot, and I think it expects in return that we also contribute in some ways.
It's like it's asking "now what will you do with all I showed you and teached you?"
To me, that's the work we're expected to do

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

I would try using choline. I used to take half a 250mg tablet (GNC Brand), twice a day. Or a lecithin gel cap once a day. Even just meditating, I'd get wicked visuals.

Careful with the gel caps: once your joints start to pop or creak, give it a break for a month or two. Pure choline does not have this side effect.

 

[northape]

Take a break, exercise, eat well, and write a journal about your years with DMT. Practice what it taught you.
We're all unique, and no one can give you a definitive answer. Beyond our physiology, there's a higher order of things when it comes to DMT.
Perhaps you already understand this, but it's not a drug in the common sense. DMT hides behind simple terms, but it's a great reformer for everything it touches.
Give yourself some time and see what happens. For instance, I no longer have visions from oral DMT; they simply went away after years, and now my work is very different.
This medicine isn't about visions, and even "visions" can present themselves in very different ways. Take it easy and enjoy your sober life!

 

[Transform]

I would try using choline. I used to take half a 250mg tablet (GNC Brand), twice a day. Or a lecithin gel cap once a day. Even just meditating, I'd get wicked visuals.

Careful with the gel caps: once your joints start to pop or creak, give it a break for a month or two. Pure choline does not have this side effect.

Did you ever try adding inositol? This pairing was part of my supplement regime for quite some time. I've forgotten what I thought it was for, though but it seemed to help get me through as a entertainment infrastructure technician, I guess.

 

[northape]

Did you ever try adding inositol? This pairing was part of my supplement regime for quite some time. I've forgotten what I thought it was for, though but it seemed to help get me through as a entertainment infrastructure technician, I guess.

Choline, inositol, and some other B-vitamins work to increase brain energy levels. They are raw materials that many lack in their diet.
Huperzine A and racetams could be used for a short period as a therapy after long-term drug abuse or brain damage.
However, you also need good food, exercise, a fine social environment, and so on.

 

[Tripolation]

Eat some mushrooms in the mean time!

 

[northape]

Eat some mushrooms in the mean time!

That's fine advice. Mushrooms tend to be more organic & visual than DMT.

 

[Toadster]

Thanks everyone for taking your time, reading my story, and to reply, you are most helpful.

Hi Toadster. I can’t offer much help here other than some support for your idea that it’s not your meds. I also take a cox-2 inhibitor(celecoxib) and it does not seem to blunt DMT or other psychedelics at all. I will occasionally use an anti histamine at night and I don’t notice that effecting DMT either.

Good luck

Thank you. I did notice a difference when using a tripple dose anti-histamine for 3-4 days for when I go fishing.

Hey Toadster, welcome!
I know how it feels, it’s like trying to break into a party you’ve not been invited to.
I’ve been there before but with ayahuasca so I also agree that your technique wouldn’t be in cause. What worked for me was waiting a few months and work on integrating all I’ve been gifted so far.

Yes, I agree that most of the time DMT seems to force one to take a break.
Maybe your intentions aren’t clearly defined, have you asked yourself why is it so important for you? Maybe taking a longer break, to reflect on all your beautiful experiences so far would be a good thing to do in first instance.

Thank you Tumupasa, I guess a few months of absence is the one thing I didn't try yet that is relatively easy. Will try!

Moreover, I think whoever / whatever (DMT, God, the Universe...) is generating this experience is giving a lot, and I think it expects in return that we also contribute in some ways.
It's like it's asking "now what will you do with all I showed you and teached you?"
To me, that's the work we're expected to do

Besides colorful fractals, the waving middle finger, 'the waiting room', and Jack Nicholson's "Here's Johnny!!", I have not encountered spirits or entity's as far as I can remember. My trips are mostly during day-time and are driven by curiosity and gratefulness. I do not really ask questions or search for anything, I just let the experience happen I and be grateful I guess.

I would try using choline. I used to take half a 250mg tablet (GNC Brand), twice a day. Or a lecithin gel cap once a day. Even just meditating, I'd get wicked visuals.

Careful with the gel caps: once your joints start to pop or creak, give it a break for a month or two. Pure choline does not have this side effect.

Thank you, I'll put those on my investigate list. What led you to this substance if I may ask?

Take a break, exercise, eat well, and write a journal about your years with DMT. Practice what it taught you.
We're all unique, and no one can give you a definitive answer. Beyond our physiology, there's a higher order of things when it comes to DMT.
Perhaps you already understand this, but it's not a drug in the common sense. DMT hides behind simple terms, but it's a great reformer for everything it touches.
Give yourself some time and see what happens. For instance, I no longer have visions from oral DMT; they simply went away after years, and now my work is very different.
This medicine isn't about visions, and even "visions" can present themselves in very different ways. Take it easy and enjoy your sober life!

I'll be sober for a while I guess.. I'm just discovering the mystical world that DMT presented me with, but I'll guess I have to be more patient.

Did you ever try adding inositol? This pairing was part of my supplement regime for quite some time. I've forgotten what I thought it was for, though but it seemed to help get me through as a entertainment infrastructure technician, I guess.

Did no try it, will investigate, what made you take it if I may ask?

Choline, inositol, and some other B-vitamins work to increase brain energy levels. They are raw materials that many lack in their diet.
Huperzine A and racetams could be used for a short period as a therapy after long-term drug abuse or brain damage.
However, you also need good food, exercise, a fine social environment, and so on.

You might be on to something.
My blood work did not show lack of iron, vitamin-B or D in any spectrum, but, I did martial arts/contact sports and plenty of cocaine as a teenager.
Had a good KO once during a sparring round when I ate a heel-kick. Will look into these substances. Have you tried them yourself?

Eat some mushrooms in the mean time!

I wish those where commercially available around here, although I have seen some growing on donkey dung but don't dare to try them without professional identification.
I'm not a mycologist and wouldn't know how to identify or grow them.

That's fine advice. Mushrooms tend to be more organic & visual than DMT.

Take a break, read up on meds, and eat shrooms, here we go!

 

[blig-blug]

I'm not a mycologist and wouldn't know how to identify or grow them.

For growing them you don't need to be a mycologist, they're actually easy to grow. Depending on where you live there may be growing kits available with everything set up for you (often even already colonized with mycelium), so if you're interested look into that too. If you're not interested in growing them that's fine too.

I still think a higher dose of harmalas could be worth a shot.

 

[Jamie01]

What happens when you vape the 50mg harmala dose? Have you tried it without DMT? There is some minor 5-HT2A and 5-HT2C receptor activity with harmine. 50mg vaped will produce some light closed eye visuals/visions already in some people.

 

[northape]

My blood work did not show lack of iron, vitamin-B or D in any spectrum, but, I did martial arts/contact sports and plenty of cocaine as a teenager.
Had a good KO once during a sparring round when I ate a heel-kick. Will look into these substances. Have you tried them yourself?

Yeah, I've tried lots of supplements, and most of them are quite questionable long-term.
Just take a good multivitamin and maybe some lecithin granules, or eat organic free-range chicken eggs.
Everything else is actually unnecessary for a healthy individual. Eat well, sleep well, don't stress, and be social.
Any psychedelic is good for brain repair, and the damage from your KO most likely healed a long time ago.
As @blig-blug mentioned, mushroom kits are easy to use and buy almost everywhere in the West.

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

Thank you, I'll put those on my investigate list. What led you to this substance if I may ask?

When I was getting my Master's degree, there were tests every week. I took soy lecithin gel caps because I read that choline is used as a building block for creating memories. And it works! But it gave me creaky joints like I was a grandpa if I took it for more than two weeks, so I switched to straight-up choline.

@Transform : I never tried choline in combo with inositol... am I missing out on anything?

Granulated lecithin doesn't have an effect on my memory, only my Johnson. If I take 4 tablespoons of the stuff, it doesn't make me horny, but by that evening, if I engage in coitus, I'm 110% my normal girth and length without any subtraction to my staying power...

 

[northape]

@Transform : I never tried choline in combo with inositol... am I missing out on anything?

They complement each other and lecithin granules have both

Granulated lecithin doesn't have an effect on my memory, only my Johnson. If I take 4 tablespoons of the stuff, it doesn't make me horny, but by that evening, if I engage in coitus, I'm 110% my normal girth and length without any subtraction to my staying power...

Now you've sold it to everyone here

 

[Toadster]

For growing them you don't need to be a mycologist, they're actually easy to grow. Depending on where you live there may be growing kits available with everything set up for you (often even already colonized with mycelium), so if you're interested look into that too. If you're not interested in growing them that's fine too.

I still think a higher dose of harmalas could be worth a shot.

They are not available for sale here, and illegal to import which makes it impossible to source, but they might grow here in the wild on manure.
Have to check that out.

What happens when you vape the 50mg harmala dose? Have you tried it without DMT? There is some minor 5-HT2A and 5-HT2C receptor activity with harmine. 50mg vaped will produce some light closed eye visuals/visions already in some people.

I tried vaping the 10x extract on e-mesh, tried 30mg and 40mg. It got me to where I didn't want to move anymore and just lay down and chill. It was very relaxing and just a little uncomfortable in the beginning. I than took a couple of tokes from the single coil rta with 1:4 juice and it had an intense bodily high effect, my room disappeared, but no visuals. Also took me 1.5-2 hours to get down to earth again. It wasn't unpleasant, but nothing with beautiful visuals or colors. It just prolonged and intensified the results I already had.

Yeah, I've tried lots of supplements, and most of them are quite questionable long-term.
Just take a good multivitamin and maybe some lecithin granules, or eat organic free-range chicken eggs.
Everything else is actually unnecessary for a healthy individual. Eat well, sleep well, don't stress, and be social.
Any psychedelic is good for brain repair, and the damage from your KO most likely healed a long time ago.
As @blig-blug mentioned, mushroom kits are easy to use and buy almost everywhere in the West.

I'm going to look them up and pass them through my wife (She is a Md).
I actually think I have a pretty descent lifestyle, I get up with the Sun (4:45/5:00 am) and get back in with sun-down (19:00/20:00), work-out 60-90mins, eat clean (no sugar/carbs/processed foods), walk barefoot a lot, avoid sunglasses the first hours of the day and whenever I can delegate jobs/chores that would give me time to go kitesurfing or get out on the water in any way than I will.

Maybe I fail badly on the social part, that is not and will never be my thing. Therefore I already have to interact with humans way to much, I'd rather spend time with my dogs.
Shrooms I have to see if they grow in the wild here. Won't be able to import them.

When I was getting my Master's degree, there were tests every week. I took soy lecithin gel caps because I read that choline is used as a building block for creating memories. And it works! But it gave me creaky joints like I was a grandpa if I took it for more than two weeks, so I switched to straight-up choline.

@Transform : I never tried choline in combo with inositol... am I missing out on anything?

Granulated lecithin doesn't have an effect on my memory, only my Johnson. If I take 4 tablespoons of the stuff, it doesn't make me horny, but by that evening, if I engage in coitus, I'm 110% my normal girth and length without any subtraction to my staying power...

I take 5mg Taladafil as part of Hypogonadism treatment. (220ng/*l instead of the average 400-800) along with injectable Test and exemestane 10mg. My johnson is already pretending to be in puberty again. I beleive that's enough information haha.

They complement each other and lecithin granules have both

Now you've sold it to everyone here

Get a room! Or a thread.. haha

 

[fink]

Is it possible you've accrued too much debt to hyperspace and need to pay some back before being allowed on the rollercoaster again?