Nexus's opinion on scary things in DMT land

[Atlas_]

I often read about some of the more freaky experiences on this forum. I gatta admit that I enjoy reading these reports because they are extremely fascinating. But at the same time I'm wondering what other peoples perceptions of these "scary things" are. I for one have been pretty damn scared off from the spice. I have yet to make any changa from my MHRB extract, though I do plan on doing so in the future. But after my last few tips (many months ago) I found myself coming out of them on the verge of flushing my entire stash down the toilet with feelings of "this is way too much" and "I am not worthy nor am I willing to possess such a powerful key" obviously I haven't followed through with these afterburner thoughts. But basically every time I vape (yet to have a break through but have had intense threshold effects) I end up in a scary place where nothing makes sense, I am surrounded by scary faces and on my deepest journey I saw the gates of hyperspace and inside the orange room was a serpent like thing moving way too fast accompanied by a multi armed woman beconing me in. I also read on a thread somewhere in here that Rich Strausman stopped working on DMT due to the "demonic side" of the experience. Definetly not first hand information but I just thought I'd throw it out there. So I am just curious how everyone else is dealing with these darker aspects of the spice. Right now i'm in a place where I feel like i've invested so much in my existence that I am terrified of death. I took LSD somewhat heavily about every other week for about six months about a year ago and had some amazingly beutiful experiences that left me mystified and deeply in love with existence, but to a point now where I get angry at other people who drive or act recklessly feeling as though they or "their type" could take the beutiful gift of life away from me at any second. I know my soul is kinda twisted by anger right now. I've always had anger problems. But I deeply desire moving on to the next level, but at the same time I am having this terrible time moving past this mental block, and I feel like my reaction to the spice is a good reflection of this. I'm having a hard time chilling out and letting things just happen. Any suggestions are welcomed and deeply apreciated. I want help and guidence. I am also heavily addicted to marijuana as stupid as it may sound. But when your mother father and brother do it every day its easy to do it every day. I believe this is also contributing to some form of inbalance in my psyche. Any advice on how to deal with this would also be appreciated.

 

[No Knowing]

Maybe try ayahuasca, instead of vaped spice. Or even just harmalas before vaped spice. Changes the whole character of the journey and makes it more of a quest than just a mindfook. Scarey experiences will happen, though less frequently and there is a degree of control or power within the trip that makes them easier to integrate, IME.

Maybe take a vacation and shakes things up. If you're not ready for any spice.

 

[Jin]

try meditating while tripping

i basicly listen to music and pay attention to my breath at the same time while breaking through , makes it definetly more enjoyble , yet sometimes i go so far that i forget all about that and just pray to God to let me out in one piece

good luck people :twisted:

 

[SKA]

What helped me conquer my fears in entering hyperspace were Carl Jung's ideas on the Shadow.
Jung mentions how every experience that we psychologically repress will live on in our subconscious mind, where we are not directly aware of it's existance. In time these repressed experiences of Grief, Anger & Fear (which people usually tend to repress) sort of lump together to become a subconscious entity of it's own, like a separated & hidden subdivision
of your own mind or "The Shadow" as Carl Jung himself named it.

Keeping this in the back of my mind whilst encountering horrific demonic entities in hyperspace helps me overcome my fear of them.
As I realize "they" are ill, dislodged parts of my own being they loose their power to scare me & thus they loose their power to disturb my inner peace.(which seems their aim)

Another chip of ideology which helps me face terrifying entities in hyperspace is the
story of the Buddha under the Bodhi tree reaching enlightenment despite many obstacles &
resistance on his path. As he sits there in meditation he receives visions of Demons trying
to disturb his inner peace. First a bunch of naked, young & beautyfull ladies try to seduce him, conjuring up desire in the Buddha to disturb his inner peace. He felt the desire but didn't act on it and so he kept his inner peace. Then these ladies started rotting and decaying and becomming repulsive and horrifying. This was another attempt of these demons
to disturb his inner peace; This time with fear. He again refused to have his inner peace disturbed by feeling the fear but refusing to act on it. He stood his ground and kept his inner peace. Although very convincing performances, the Buddha knew the demons were nothing more than Smoke & mirrors; Visions. And so he became liberated from the ability of fear and desire to bring him off balance & disturb his inner peace.


These visions and these demons described here sound to me like they are a perfect match with my personal experiences with DMT visions & demons.
And with Buddha's bodhi tree experience in mind I find it an exciting challenge to face these demons, defend my inner peace & stand my ground(Psychologically speaking), rather than seeing it as a dreadfull, to-be-avoided nightmarish experience.
But I must admit: it's never just a walk in the park. I must gather courage & strength before I even feel like entering hyperspace.

 

[Ryusaki]

I would suggest low dose of Rue or Caapi tea without DMT. Increase dosage gradually.
Add really low doses of DMT over time when you feel ready. Baby steps.
Combine it with meditation and other ritualistic mind/bodywork plus the usual sleep well - eat healthy stuff.
My instinct tells me, to tell you, to stay away from acid for a while. Instead, think about Peyote and shrooms. (not together or in combination with the other medicines, but maybe rotative. Everything in very low doses and gradually increasing over months)
Try not to smoke MJ on this day when taking the medicine.

Get a tripsitter/ friend who joins in the fun.
At the same time train/feed your mind too, like SKA suggested, Jung & the Bhudda, perfect combination.

You will get gradually adjusted to the RIMA's. They will make you relaxed and less fearful.
Peyote can get to your anger/emotional problems.
The shrooms can show you how to let go.
When you feel ready you can face your fears with Aya/pharma.
If you still feel apprehencive you could think about doing this in a proper shamanic ceremony with a capable curandero/maestro.

Its all about practice and tactic. Keep at it and you will triumph over fear.

 

[Felnik]

I agree on the cappi , ayahuasca leaf or tea front it helps to give more teaching
To the experience . I don't think the daily weed thing is helping your cause .
Weed can angle the experience on the darker side and confuse the trip causing
It to last too long and just get vague . Stay away from belief systems especially
Demonic dark stuff . It doesn't apply it's a human construct.
Don't believe anything just get yourself more grounded and
Focused before you proceed . This is supper powerful stuff
Go easier on the dose . Just a few suggestions.

 

[universecannon]

you could try quitting the marijuana for a while...nothing has led to more fear-filled dmt exeperiences than marijuana for me...I would stop for a few months and if you do get back into it try to learn and use it as a tool like you would use other psychedelics. Once people get addicted to it some eventually have to face the more paranoia-inducing aspects of it. I figured out ways to mix it with dmt and have good experiences but its complicated and doesn't always work well, especially at higher doses.

Also remember that what you perceive as demonic depends a lot on your perspective. People encounter serpent entities and multi-limbed female beings all the time and have incredibly positive experiences with them and all sorts of entities that at first seem 'scary'. Most of hyperspace seems scary in the beginning, since it is just so far beyond out notions of possible and unimaginably bizarre. Too many times to count i've encountered horrifying scenes while on dmt, only to pause and realize that my freaking-out was why i perceived it as horrifying. After taking a deep breathe, smiling, and just relaxing the scene can do a complete 180 and a beautiful and positive experience can often result.

I would also take peoples advise and make some changa, and try the oral route as well. Its more slowed down and guiding.

 

[Atlas_]

Hey guys I really appreciate the responses I received. As a few of you have mentioned I think some of the best advice is to stay away from lucy and cannabis and taking more practical baby steps towards finding my inner peace and building the ability to feal fear but not react to it before I go for another launch. I really appreciate you sharing those stories SKA especially the part about all that mangled crap that goes through your mind can build itself up into a dark entity that might in a way, subconsciously feed on your fear, doing its best to get you to secret that fear. I am a believer in hyperspace being a tangible place that is deeply rooted in reality and completely connected to what happens when you die, so this would make sense. And Ryusaki, I'll get some cappi and start easing myself in. I'm horrible at meditation too, so if anyone has any extra advice on that as well I'd appreciate it. Otherwise its a new day and a new opportunity to fine tune my body and mind.

 

[Molech]

funny you mention a serpent by the gates in hyperspace. I've kept snakes and can see how the scaled effect on the vortexes either side of the gates could look serpentine. I've never been worried by snakes. To me it looked almost like a bumpy, whirling big top. At least that's now my first ego death experience went. More recently, hyperspace looks like a smoke filled aircraft hanger with floaty runway lights, but that's after i moved or did something and found a control panel there. Just starting to explore myself, and yea, that first time i could see how things look snakey.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

I guess you are dealing with multiple overlapping issues...

Quitting cannabis is a good first step.

I recommend taking up meditation and some kind of energy work. (chi kung or yoga)

Face your anger issues head on and don't rely on substances to push it down. There are many very justified reasons to be angry... especially these days. But, it does you no good to allow it to fester within you. Negative emotions decay and pervert into twisted forms. Anger becomes Rage... Worry becomes Panic... etc.

Nip that shit in the bud.

Because, and this is the real issue, it is the negative emotions that attract the dark entities. Even if you are like brother SKA and see them all as "shadow aspects" and harmless smoke and mirrors, there is no denying the connection they have to negative emotions.

I believe that the scary entities of Hyperspace run the gamut from purely psychological projections, through beings that mirror you for your benefit, and on to truly independent malevolent entities... and other such things you would do well to avoid.

My recommendation is to take a break from all substances for a while. Learn to deal with and eventually love yourself while sober. You already talked about loving life and worrying about losing the gift, so it is only another short leap to truly loving yourself as a part of Life as well. Gratitude and forgiveness go a long way.

Never be in any kind of rush with entheogens. Take your time and respect the medicine... or at least (to quote Breaking Bad) Respiciunt Chemiae.

When you are in a good place with yourself and on a path of light... your trips will bring the light beings to you, and this is a miraculous and marvelous thing indeed. Shadows and dark entities flee before such beings, and will likely give you a wide berth if you are down with them.

All the best man...

HF

 

[Metanoia]

What helped me conquer my fears in entering hyperspace were Carl Jung's ideas on the Shadow.
Jung mentions how every experience that we psychologically repress will live on in our subconscious mind, where we are not directly aware of it's existance. In time these repressed experiences of Grief, Anger & Fear (which people usually tend to repress) sort of lump together to become a subconscious entity of it's own, like a separated & hidden subdivision
of your own mind or "The Shadow" as Carl Jung himself named it.

This. When I first started to read Carl Jung I kept stopping and exclaiming out loud, "Yes! That's exactly it!" I had many issues with repressed emotions.

I've seen marijuana lead to repressed anger in so many people, myself included. When you start to use it to escape those feelings, they don't truly go away, you just repress them and eventually they bubble to the surface. Quitting would be very beneficial. I'm a completely different person after quitting. I was horribly addicted (yes, it really does become an addiction) basically smoking whenever I could. If I had a bad day, toke. If I was upset, toke. If I was happy, toke. Clock says 4:20? Toke.

It can be such a useful plant if you use it with respect. But I think once you get to that level of addiction with it it becomes hard to ever do it again in any respectful manner. I stay away from it completely now and feel much better for it.

 

[ajscent]

You are fear , your entire self is fear , it is fear . Fear drives your very existence from the moment you wake up in the morning. And born from that is pleasure. Pleasure is the futile attempt at putting fear off. You are afraid of what people think about you, about upsetting others , afraid of work , afraid of people , afraid of physical death which is constantly there, fear is you and drives every waking thought. If you are very honest person you will ask "who is thinking" , who is behind the thoughts , it is fear. Behind every thought is fear, almost like an entity , it cannot know itself properly and it's coping strategy is to either search memory for pleasurable experiences or to imagine future pleasureable experiences, that is what makes up the imaginary self. Few will be strong enough to see this. When you see this clearly that fear is doing the thinking it is a shock . But it's ok , and then you will see fear was educated , our educational system and our own personal experiences created a fear based decision making process, once this is seen clearly then a much deeper reality is experienced. It's this childish demand for constant pleasure with the entertainment industry fuelling a meaningless existence .

You will not escape fear on an inner journey , it does not hurt , you will see the illusion it has spread on a person, it is making all your decisions from the moment you wake up. See it , don't try to change it , there is much more beyond fear , see what the chatter has been covering up.

 

[Atlas_]

More recently, hyperspace looks like a smoke filled aircraft hanger with floaty runway lights, but that's after i moved or did something and found a control panel there. Just starting to explore myself, and yea, that first time i could see how things look snakey.

-funny you mention the aircraft hanger as when I saw the entrance to hyperspace it was shaped like a giant half circle, much like the design of some aircraft hangers. It's always fascinating to hear about similar objects/entities from other peoples journeys. And I actually enjoy amphibians and reptiles, but to see a giant one moving at insect speed while under the influence was a bit of a mind flux!

Face your anger issues head on and don't rely on substances to push it down. There are many very justified reasons to be angry... especially these days. But, it does you no good to allow it to fester within you. Negative emotions decay and pervert into twisted forms. Anger becomes Rage... Worry becomes Panic... etc.

Yeah your definitely right. And I am afraid that i've allowed this to go on for long enough in my life that I have allowed "plaque" to build up-something I wish to clean myself of and just writing about it with people who can see through the bull shit vale of every day stupidity on these subjects is really helpful. Everyone around me always tells me I shouldn't worry about smoking so much pot and I should just go with it because it's healthier than cigarettes ect. But these are the same people who don't care for or see the purpose of seeking enlightenment. So its obvious that I need to stop letting "societal norms" influence me, as society sadly is often more sick than it is healthy in some aspects, especially those that revolve around the power of perception changing substances.

I've seen marijuana lead to repressed anger in so many people, myself included. When you start to use it to escape those feelings, they don't truly go away, you just repress them and eventually they bubble to the surface. Quitting would be very beneficial. I'm a completely different person after quitting. I was horribly addicted (yes, it really does become an addiction) basically smoking whenever I could. If I had a bad day, toke. If I was upset, toke. If I was happy, toke. Clock says 4:20? Toke.

Yeah that's pretty much been my life for the last four years. I function in society decently. But at the end of the day i'm always left wondering how different life would be if I wasn't hancuffed to a feeling that contributes to me repressing feelings and building up this negative force in my mind that manifests itself in an inability to see things cleary in my mind or in reality. It all makes complete sense.

I realize too that quitting the herb isn't going to just clear hyperspace up into a candy land escape for me either. This is going to take work and probably a lot of physical exercise ect. to get my body and mind back to a balanced state, maybe similar to the one I lived with as a child before I ever touched or abused any substances.

so hopefully I'll be able to post back some success in the future. Thanks again for the kind words and advice guys!