Yes that was very touching, his understanding and love for a suffering being. He started to decline after that, one drop too many? Gradually signing out, logging off.bismillah said:...I feel his sympathy for the horse, though...
I think Jordan Peterson is more of an analyst than a philosopher. He is, after all, a professor and former clinician. I think the work he does with young men is fantastic and I find his lectures wonderfully interesting.dragonrider said:I wonder btw, if people agree that jordan peterson sometimes seems to be bit of a contemporary, somewhat shallow and simplified version of nietzsche. A sort of "meme-nietzsche" if you will. (Wich would say everything about meme-culture
Yeah, i feel the same way. I watched some of his talks about jungian psychology, wich i found very interesting. But compared to nietzsche he is a lightweight, and it seems he got caught up with the hype around his person himself.bismillah said:I think Jordan Peterson is more of an analyst than a philosopher. He is, after all, a professor and former clinician. I think the work he does with young men is fantastic and I find his lectures wonderfully interesting.dragonrider said:I wonder btw, if people agree that jordan peterson sometimes seems to be bit of a contemporary, somewhat shallow and simplified version of nietzsche. A sort of "meme-nietzsche" if you will. (Wich would say everything about meme-culture
That said, he has taken on a kind of shallowness after his rise to fame... somehow like all things, he's lost what made him special after becoming commercialized. I follow him on ig and when I see the posts on his account (which I'm sure he doesn't even make himself), I think:
"Yeah, I agree. But I don't really care anymore". It seems to just go over my head, even though what he's saying is solid.
Oversaturation? A symptom of the medium? Of culture? All the above and more?
The drama of ethics, at war with the inherent brutal segments of nature itself.Tomtegubbe said:It's sometimes difficult for great intellectuals who see sharply what is wrong in the world to reconcile with it and find peace in themselves.
Reading back what i wrote two years ago now is kinda weird, because JP has now completely lost it. The only excuse for the things he is saying these days, is that he has gone totally insane, and even an insanity plea does not get him off the hook completely, because even for an insane person the things he is saying now are quite bizarre and most of all immoral.dragonrider said:Yes, that "clean up your room" message is a very sound advice. Not just for young people.
And also very nietzschian.
The christianity thing may have something to do with the specific brands of christianity. But in general i think you can say that the history of christianity is full of both good things as well as awfull things. It is easy, especially in a secular nation like modern canada, to only focus on the good things and not to see the dogmatism, the hypochrisy, and the politics of power and corruption, interwoven with it.
But i also think that JP's interactions with the woke lynchmob, may have pushed him towards more conservative worldviews. He definately is an interesting character, but i also believe that the hype and the media persona "jordan peterson" was entirely created by that peculiar cult of wokism.
They've made a "martyr" out of him, and it looks like at some point he started to believe in that very dramatic martyr character himself. Wich is why i think he has become shallow now, to people like bismillah and me.
If they would't have attacked and demonised him so much, we would probably never have heard of him, and he still would be teaching jungian psychology somewhere in canada.
It's too bad, because from what i've seen from him, he probably was a very good and passionate teacher.
And the world needs good teachers much more, than social media martyrs.
Great perceptive, thanks.Dasein said:Nietzsche is good for the rebellious teenage phase... I used to be a fan but now I find his philosophy to be... too egocentric! His praise of the powerful and strong seems merely an expression of his personal insecurities. Whoever is looked down upon by the world knows this, this burning desire to be great, to show the world, to prove them all wrong and so on. Most of the "find your true self" philosophy, at least in my opinion, stems from that desire.
I think that ultimately, the dreams of power and greatness are something that need to be let go of. If it comes to you, so be it! but why bother strive for it? Roll in the dirt, be one with the dirt, be Diogenes the dog and have no regard for anything the world deems valuable. There's nothing that needs to be proven, and no matter how great a mark you leave in this world, it will all be, as if it never was. Yet, I won't accept the cynicism of Diogenes wholeheartedly. I have been told that love is the greatest of virtues, it warms your heart, it teaches you how to suffer, shows you the value of sacrifice, of letting go of oneself and all the desires which bind one to one's ego. Nietzsche may preach all sorts of wisdoms, but I find that true love is something that is lacking in his philosophy.
Dasein said:Nietzsche is good for the rebellious teenage phase... I used to be a fan but now I find his philosophy to be... too egocentric! His praise of the powerful and strong seems merely an expression of his personal insecurities. Whoever is looked down upon by the world knows this, this burning desire to be great, to show the world, to prove them all wrong and so on. Most of the "find your true self" philosophy, at least in my opinion, stems from that desire.
I think that ultimately, the dreams of power and greatness are something that need to be let go of. If it comes to you, so be it! but why bother strive for it? Roll in the dirt, be one with the dirt, be Diogenes the dog and have no regard for anything the world deems valuable. There's nothing that needs to be proven, and no matter how great a mark you leave in this world, it will all be, as if it never was. Yet, I won't accept the cynicism of Diogenes wholeheartedly. I have been told that love is the greatest of virtues, it warms your heart, it teaches you how to suffer, shows you the value of sacrifice, of letting go of oneself and all the desires which bind one to one's ego. Nietzsche may preach all sorts of wisdoms, but I find that true love is something that is lacking in his philosophy.