No breakthrough is it possible with that setup?

[DidMyTest]

Hi I use this pipe:

and a good jetflame lighter

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Yet I don't have a proper scale but the problem seems more to get not enough vape inside than to get too much.

I put the DMT onto three meshes, heat the meshes so that the DMT melts into the meshes. After that I place them inside the pipe and heat them from above. A lot of smoke comes and I inhale as long as I can. I definitely don't burn it because before I got a real lighter I heated it from below and the taste was way different and very harsh. Now it isn't harsh but it tastes like plastic.

The setting is a room with dimmed light so that I can just see a glimpse of colours. I tried it complete dark but then the CEVs where less strong more OEV like. Comparable like waking up in the night and still be a little bit in dream mode.

After I inhale I keep it as long as I can. 10 sec later I get a feeling like beeing under water and the environment transforms like on a heavy mushroom trip (lvl3-lvl4 **). When concentrating even the whole surrounding seems to blur out. Somehow it is a mixture between the mosaik effect in photoshop

combined with vivid colours and a curved surrounding. Also there are pattern on the wall consisting of shadow points. With closed Eyes I could see spinning cubes and moving geometry but way less intense than on shrooms or mescaline. But the effects don't last very long. Maybe about 1-2 min.

The difference to mushrooms is, that my head is totally clear, I have no weird thoughts etc. And also I always feel like having a cold. I'm freezing and my body feels unpleasant. Also I didn't really get the effect of extended time. The 2 minutes give me a lot of OEVs and CEVs but differently to mushrooms they feel still like 2 minutes. I dont't hear a buzzing or anything like that I think I just scratch on the surface of DMT.

So what's the advice. Smoking another bowl immediatelly after inhaling seems impossible because it does hit definitely hard. I tried it once with enhaced leave but I burnt the leave before the DMT seemed to vape. I thought about building the machine...


**(From shroomery.org):
Level 3

Very obvious visuals, everything looking curved and/or warped patterns and kaleidoscopes seen on walls, faces etc. Some mild hallucinations such as rivers flowing in wood grained or "mother of pearl" surfaces. Closed eye hallucinations become 3 dimensional. There is some confusion of the senses (i.e. seeing sounds as colors, etcetera). Time distortions and "moments of eternity".

Level 4

Strong hallucinations, i.e. objects morphing into other objects. Destruction or multiple splitting of the ego. (Things start talking toyou, or you find that you are feeling contradictory things simultaneously). Some loss of reality. Time becomes meaningless. Out ofbody experiences and e.s.p. type phenomena. Blending of the senses.

 

[tele]

At least I would fail with that setup. Just make a machine or buy a vaporgenie

 

[endlessness]

First thing, get a scale.. You can get a very cheap milligram scale on ebay or similar. Its hard to give you feedback because maybe you're vaporizing 10mg and expecting a 40mg trip... Or maybe you're using 100mg and wasting it all.. So unless you weigh, we dont know if the trip is equivalent to the smoked dose.

Secondly, when you say "mesh", I guess you just mean a screen...? That's a problem because the dmt will melt through, even if its 3 or 10 of them, so youre possibly losing dmt there. Instead, either make a bed of ashes or of herbs, or get a stainless steel pad (like for the volcano vaporizer) or some other inert metal scrub.

Then, about burning it, you say you burned before and it was harsher, but this doesnt mean youre not burning any now, maybe youre just burning less of it.. The fact you cant take a second hit shows to me you possibly are indeed burning your spice, because its a logical step: if one hit isnt enough, take a second (or third or fourth) hit.

Also, maybe considering changing the smoking method. If you can spend 100 bucks, I very highly recommend the GVG, with the classic genie coming (at a far behind) second place. And if you dont want to get any of these, maybe try to make a vaporizing device. Some people have success with the machine, Ive tried it a few times but feel its too harsh and can still burn spice if youre not very very careful. Maybe something like the Inspirator mkII, made by amorfati, is something you can attempt to build. The ideal is that in your method of smoking, between your dmt and the fire source, there is some "buffer" that helps preventing the fire or excess from reaching the dmt and only lets through hot air.

Lastly, make sure your dmt doesnt have solvent traces in it because that could make it harder to smoke... Air dry it properly, and maybe redissolve it in acetone or non-denatured ethanol and let it evap again, to help removing traces of naphtha

 

[tetra]

Make some changa and get a bong, problem solved, no more attempts at correct vaping, just rip like a bowl of weed. I spent the hundred for the GVG, then I made changa and have never used it since (I used it like maybe 15 times), so now I've got a hundred dollar useless glass dildo.

 

[endlessness]

Why, tetra? Dont you feel the smoke from burning changa harsh and the GVG more effective at the same dosage?

 

[Purges]

I would echo the above advice - DMT is best smoked by convection, a machine or GVG will do the trick nicely.

Tetra - Changa is great in the GVG!

 

[DidMyTest]

First thing, get a scale.. You can get a very cheap milligram scale on ebay or similar. Its hard to give you feedback because maybe you're vaporizing 10mg and expecting a 40mg trip... Or maybe you're using 100mg and wasting it all.. So unless you weigh, we dont know if the trip is equivalent to the smoked dose.

Definitely on my buying list.

Secondly, when you say "mesh", I guess you just mean a screen...? That's a problem because the dmt will melt through, even if its 3 or 10 of them, so youre possibly losing dmt there. Instead, either make a bed of ashes or of herbs, or get a stainless steel pad (like for the volcano vaporizer) or some other inert metal scrub.

Yes I mean screen. Yes there seems to be an oily black substance below the screens, but shouldn't it still vaporize because I put the screens directly into the bowl, so the screens are ontop of the bottom. I have seen the steel pads, maybe I try one of these.

Then, about burning it, you say you burned before and it was harsher, but this doesnt mean youre not burning any now, maybe youre just burning less of it.. The fact you cant take a second hit shows to me you possibly are indeed burning your spice, because its a logical step: if one hit isnt enough, take a second (or third or fourth) hit.

It's not that the smoke gets to harsh it's more that the substance influences me too much to smoke a second time.

Also, maybe considering changing the smoking method. If you can spend 100 bucks, I very highly recommend the GVG, with the classic genie coming (at a far behind) second place. And if you dont want to get any of these, maybe try to make a vaporizing device. Some people have success with the machine, Ive tried it a few times but feel its too harsh and can still burn spice if youre not very very careful. Maybe something like the Inspirator mkII, made by amorfati, is something you can attempt to build. The ideal is that in your method of smoking, between your dmt and the fire source, there is some "buffer" that helps preventing the fire or excess from reaching the dmt and only lets through hot air.

Actually I didn't build s.th. because there are three or four smoking devices on the nexus and all of them look pretty good. So I couldn't decide and bought the pipe I thought it looked similar to the VG

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I heard just very good things about the VG but I'm wondering why the DMT is not running away in that device, also the VG seems to have no chamber like a bong where you can store a lot of vape before inhaling. Do you think it's possible to set my pipe like the VG up, when putting a pad inside and ceramic wool ontop of the topscreen? I definitely want to buy the VG or GVG but this month I'm short on money and I would like to check the expirience out first. Because so far the experience was a little bit to fast in and out for my taste. Not that I dind't like it but I had the feeling that it had been less menaingful, because you don't have enough time to think about. But I've read a lot of reports and they sound very profound and enriching.

 

[tetra]

Not harsh at all. I'm a pot smoker as well so perhaps my lungs are more used to harshness (though I never smoke harsh weed) . The GVG is the best for freebase, no question, but I never smoke plain freebase, and I'm almost exclusively a pharma dude these days, though I keep the Zong with my changa beside my bed in case I feel the need to top off (which I almost never do, pharma being enough) .

Plus it takes me more smoke than most to get where I want to be, which is why I searched out harmalas to begin with. And using a bong is much easier for me to deal with, because when I do smoke, I smoke all night and I find it inconvenient and annoying to have to refill my torch lighter in the middle of the night when I just want to take a small puff and lay back down (torch for the GVG) ; with the bong I can just lean over and flick the Bic (yes, I'm sure I could get a more efficient torch lighter, but I've already bought two and I'm quite poor) . The bong is easier for me to load, just take a pinch and pack it, no need weigh.

I'm probably just going to give my GVG to one of my friends whom I've introduced DMT to (a house of three, actually, and they are performing their first extraction now. It does feel good to get people started with this stuff, yes?) . A donation to the house and to the cause (though, actually, they probably wouldn't use it either as they got started with my changa and are going to turn their freebase into it. If I were them, though, I'd do what I did: try every method of smoke and intake as possible to find the best one for you ).