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Not discussed danger of B. Caapi/Harmalas

His_Holiness

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So after experiencing an extremely unpleasant and dangerous aspect of B. Caapi/Harmalas, that I have not seen mentioned before on here, I feel I must warn others.

I had prepared ayahuasca, yellow B. Caapi vine and Mimosa Hostilis root bark as separate teas. Knowing that Maois need time to start working I decided to take the B. Caapi tea first and wait an hour. The dosage information for it was inconclusive so I took 50g.

I knew that the vine alone had psychoactive effects, and indeed soon my perception was being distorted in a psychedelic way.

But what I was not aware was a secondary effect the vine or it's constituents could have on you.

Slowly I started growing tired, physical effort became harder and harder until it felt like any single movement, or even having my eyes open, was so tiring and effortful, I would lose consciousness any moment. Combined with the purge, these were some of the worst hours I had ever experienced. It felt somewhat what I imagine dying is like.

It is only later that I concluded that what had happened was my blood pressure being extremely lowered by the Vine. Harmalas have vasorelaxant properties and this would explain why my trip sitter described me as extremely pale one time.

Three hours it took me, to finally be able to leave my bed without keeling over. Suffice to say any desire for the follow up shot of mimosa Hostilis had left me.

As you can see my dose was not that large, nor do I usually have any problems with blood pressure, and while it ended up fine for me, I can definitely see someone taking a larger dose or not having a trip sitter and ending up in a lot more trouble.
 
I might be off the mark here as I only use pharmahausca but 50g seems a lot as some caapi vines have been reported to contain up to 8% harmine that could equate to 4g of pure harmine. I'm not sure how strong "yellow" caapi is but it sounds like you took too much harmala alks.
 
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Yes, I agree

However, as the recommended dosage for B. Caapi is 20-100g in the wiki FAQ, and up to 150g in other resources, I would not say this was an excessive amount of B. Caapi.

This should serve as a heads up for any others that cook ayahuasca with the vine.
 
You should always do a mini extraction using a portion of your brew so you can estimate the amount of harmalas. 1g pure harmala is already pretty intense for me and any higher I'm sure I would have a visual experience without any light needed.

My caapi tends to be around 1.5-2% harmalas and I use a kilo to make a 2L brew only drinking 20ml for dmt activation. I've taken larger doses to see the effects but nausea is quite high and that 'difficult' to move is common. But also once you move pretty hard to stop. I could walk indefinitely under the influence while each stop/pause did seem hard to being walking again.

Sometimes you do need to take more caapi since batches and material differ in yield which is why I test each batch I make even if from the same starting material.

Also consider your personal sensitivities to different plants/alkaloids. I have a higher sensitivity to most plants but for shorter overall duration while others taking the same exact amount have little to no effect.
 
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