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Pandora

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Treveler & All Friends,

:shock: SWIM cannot believe it but she had her first breakthrough at Midnight! She was NOT expecting this.:shock: She thought she had to smoke 50 mg for something like this to happen! She didn't think the smoked P. Harmala extract from like an hour previous could still possibly be active. Apparently this is not the case for SWIM. Hard head for mushrooms but not for spice. LOL!

The actual memories are almost completely repressed. When SWIM tries to touch the memories in a meaningful way she gets a classic "repression headache."

I will transcribe her nonsensical journal entry from immediately after the experience, which is hopelessly inadequate, shallow and lame. It is also filled with expletives. I am starting to notice that this happens a lot when language (skills) fails SWIM. SWIM apologies in advance for all of these factors as this is the worst of all her trip narratives, ever:

Holy Fuck! Was pretty sure I wasn't going to get elves but this is NOT what I expected!

I feel so very small and insignificant that I want to weep and simultaneously shrink into myself. But I am laughing right now . . . panting, gasping and laughing. Very nauseaus when I try to think about it.

I immediately saw a fantastic blue-white tear/light and heard an accompanying high-pitched tearing noise. Upon relaxing into this light was quickly, seamlessly and easily transported up and out of my physical body and lifted up into a weird, higher dimension.
I could only perceive 3 dimensions but was viscerally aware of much more happening. The tryptamine landscapes were much more paisley-like, much closer to the Mandlebrot Set than ever before. Landscape opened up into a huge fair, circus, carnival or amusement park structures/landscape, complete with carnival-type music.

Shit, shit, shit, state-specific knowledge fading . . .fast.

Saw someting/someone truly HUGE, made out of tryptamine colors/patterns/light, but NOT transforming/changing like everything else all around. This thing/entity was the size of a skyscraper and I was at its base looking up. It seemed more mechanical than organic. I could feel its raw intelligence and power, neither loving nor malignant (Why should it care about an ant?!?). Physical size easily matched/surpassed by its intellect.

Fucking fading fast. Remember hearing the music and again floating up above the park. This time when lowered landed in body!

Came out of it gasping, weeping, laughing, gagging and exclaiming! So this is what people meant. Holy shit!

Now laughing hard - hearing the shade of Terence McKenna, "When was the last time YOU were astonished?" I have no more cynical answers! Laughing and astonished as I write this!

Shitty description. Wow, wow, wow!


SWIM's journal breaks here while she walks back and forth in her room continuing to exclaim and breathe. She tries to pull herself together a bit to see if she can make a better journal attempt which follows:

I started the evening with an extremely low dose of what my brother (the fruit and veggie freak) calls "DMT salad," 10-20 mg total if I dust the bowl. This was very pleasant.

After getting a lot of work done, caught up with bro, ate lightly, showered and turned on the "tripping lamp." "The tripping lamp is on - please keep hands and feet inside the ride."

Had had quite a ride planned for myself . . . but it looks like I'll have lots of spice leftover from what was planned for consumption in this session. I am so very done for now! This "curious cat" will smoke spice again but not tonight . . .

My P. Harmala extract was ready. I meditated. Put a generous dose of (approx. 150 mg.)extract on a bud and took a single heavy toke. I definately felt the Syrian Rue (for the first time and this was far from my first experiement with P. Harmala) - borderline OEV's. There was A LOT left in the bowl. Immediately tried to dust off a salad bowl, approx. 10-20 ml.

Had an errie 30 minute adventure. it's been a long time since I've been truly scared, felt fear like that. EVERYTHING in the room looked ominous and threatening and I was actively fearing a breakthrough thinking that MY entities would be insectoid! I have a bug phobia. :? Completely creeped out to my bones. Actually cowering on the bed under the covers with gooseflesh, shivering, hyperventilating. Was expecting anytime something to creep forth from the shadows.

Determined NOT to panic, kept saying to self, "It's only a drug, it's only a drug, it's only a drug . . ."

Honestly, the last time I was this scared was when I was a child in my dark bedroom and there was a small earthquake. I convinced myself that there was someone under my bed! That kind of "monster in the closet" fear. Which brings me to: I was finally able to bust out of this space when I started to literally paranoidedly planning my defenses against any (insectoid) attacker. Suddenly I flashed on, "You have absolutely NO defences against monsters from the ID!" and started laughing! Everything returned to mundane normality. It was that simple.

I convinced myself that I amost enjoyed that simply for the thrill, intensity and novelty of the feelings. But this isn't what I was smoking spice for . . .

What to do? Still on edge. Close some windows, secure some doors and eliminate some shadows. Get back up on the horse that threw me, definately. Okay, do I stick wtih a low-dose salad? Try the special 30 mg dose I'd prepped for myself?? Or, be real daring and take a single toke off of the 25 mg. jungle spice bud I'd prepped? Use the P. Harmala extract again?!?

Immediately decided against using the extract. Loaded a light salad and sprinkled with a an additional 10 mg right on top. Took huge first toke and held it Salvia-style. Dusted off the rest with the next toke. I put my blindfold on and lay down. Could already see that blue/white lightning bolt tear in visual field/reality. Relaxed into that and floated into a less geometric, more paisley tryptamine like landscape then was "taken to the carnival."

My heartbeat quickens when I think of my brief time there and the nausea feeling comes back. Looking up at that fantastic skyscraper of light . . . WTF?!? Did I see God or a Godlike being, . . a First One so to speak? Why was I permitted to look up to it? Thank goodness it didn't appear/deign to notice me . . .

I cannot stress how small I felt . . . there coming out of it (It felt so weird to smoothly compress back into my small body.) and continue to feel now. Holy fuck!

Going to be a long time 'til sleep tonight! Guess I'll take another shower.


SWIM's journal continues 30 mins. later:
How can someone be expected to remember such an experience fully and proceed with mudane life? What's happening to me feels like a protective defensive repression. As things fade (Some memories would be gone already if not for journal!) I am feeling a LOT more normal . . . whatever that could possibly mean.

I went into the shower, turned it on HOT and wound up SITTING there for 30 minutes trying to "get a grip." Went in wide-eyes. Came out wide-eyed. Never seen self so wide-eyed. Usually eyes appear chronic, half-closed . . .Bugging eyes make me look funny in the mirror.

While sitting there I looked at a single drop of water and realized it was full of microbial scale life. If this life was in any way aware or sentient it surely would be grateful that we cannot perceive it with the naked eye. Pretty certain that was my situation with the intelligent buidling-being.

I honestly did NOT expect a breakthrough on what could not have been any more than 30 mg, and even that is a stretch. Perhaps some of the MAOI effects of the previously smoked P. Harmala lingered. . .

Perhaps it was my time for a DMT breakthrough. This doesn't feel right though becuase I am so very early in the process. Yet it must be right. I must have been RIPE for it. In hindsight, I suspect I may have come close the first time, especially that pulling sensation in my center! Seemed like my subconscious was primed, even terrified as evidenced by the previous experience.

Insectoids!! I'm laughing hard and loud at my petty fears! Try something more like God-buildings on for size . . . Who could have predicted such a thing?!? I was skeptical about elves, but this . . .


SWIM then lay down in bed, eyes wide open, periodically blinking, convinced she would not sleep. Sleep "took" her soon thereafter for 2.5 hours. SWIM got up and watched the sunrise remove a very bright Jupiter from the morning sky. Her journal continues:

Laid down convinced couldn't sleep and was "taken" into that altered state almost immediately. Up 2.5 hours later. Went to sleep wide-eyes. Woke up wide-eyed but feeling a lot more down to Earth.

The incredible saliency and immediacy of the memory has faded. A lot of it is mainly the journal entry now.

Yet I remain astonished!

We humans are basically a level 0 civilization. Though we can screw our planet we cannot CONTROL it and all its resources completely and utterly. If we could we'd be level 1. If we could control everything within the sun's reach of influence as well as our star itself, we'd be level 2. Similarly, if we could control everything in our galaxy, supermassive black hole at center inclusive, we'd be level 3.

We are level 0 as a species. Technically as a person mine must be a negative number. I can barely control myself and would be no one/nowhere without those I love.

I feel I sat at the feet and gazed up at (minimum) a level 3 being! It radiated intelligence and power. Though it was uninterested and I am sure it would never even think of ever abusing its power . . .


It's good that this is where SWIM's journal entry ends, she was running out of space - she has a notebook filled with scribbled trip narratives now.

SWIM had often discussed being out of body with people. Some had experienced it and some had not. SWIM had not. She KNEW she was out of her body on Salvia Divinorum because she filmed herself once and was shocked to see her body appeared to be abandoned and in deep trance. But she never felt like it. She felt she was in other dimensions/spaces but had taken her body with her!

This time she left her body. She felt herself being smoothly and so easily/seamlessly lifted out. Painless process and took none of the regular, corporeal body-pain with her! No energy or vibration such as she had read about. And when she came back she had to compress her non-corporeal self back into the container of her body. This felt as easy and seamless as the departure but also felt very weird.

SWIM did NOT expect that her entity encounters would be Singularity Machine, Eschaton or some such! She did not expect elves, was worried about insectoids (and still is on several levels), did not expect raw and awe-inspiring intelligence, did not expect aliens, did expect people, corpses or spirits . . .Assumptions made an ass out of SWIM AND SWIM. LOL!

SWIM feels grateful. She didn't know she could achieve this and understands that some never do. She thought she might never get there due to the fact that 50 mg seemed like a lot of harsh smoke to consume in 60 seconds or less. She is still awed and amazed by the intelligence that she encountered. She is not sure when she will smoke spice again - there is some confusion on this front. Part of her is ready for that tonight. Part of her is hesitant . . .

How delightful this all is! This is all that SWIM had hoped for and SO much more!

SWIM and I are sorry that language is inadequate in the psychedelic realm, more so than ever before. . .

Peace,
Pandora
 
This report was simply delicious...raw, unprocessed and awe inspiring! It made me think of my attitude and has certainly enlarged the respect for the spice. Thank you!
 
Pandora:

As Chong said to Cheech in the classic stoner movie "Up In Smoke"....."kinda grabs ya by the boo-boo don't it?"

Welcome to the Club- congrats.

Life will never be the same again.

Namaste-
-BP
 
Nice and gripping report, reading it was almost like being there!

Yes, it's always impossible to put to words - even the fleeting memories... often the comparison with 'golddust slipping through the fingers' is made.

The harmalas were probably still active but apart from that, unexpected breakthroughs are not uncommon; imho dosage is less important than psychological issues like resistance. You get what you need! (which is usually not what you want or expect)

I just read your mushroom report; smoking some dmt on mushrooms (low-medium dose) can be awesome, especially if the 'vibe' is already good.

One of my favorite McKenna quotes: there's nothing to fear except death by astonishment!
 
Welcome,

I hope you now understand why so many of us reject the term "drug" for this sacred sacrament. This is not a drug to be abused...it is a tool and a gift to be used and cherished.

Life WILL never be the same....at least it hasn't been for me. Believe me when I say that you've only scratched the surface of what this molecule can do, where it can take you, and what it can SHOW YOU.

Sometimes there is only love on the other side, intelligent insects and all (though I rarely see any insects). Sometimes it's just a wild ride without much meaning, a firework display so to speak. Sometimes, every once in a while, spice will offer you a glimps of The Divine. This is what I strive for with meditation and Spice.

There are all sorts of flora and fauna on the other side. Most friendly, some indifferent, and occasionally some that are not so nice. My friend frequently sees rainbow colored catfish looking creatures..they growl at him, but never bite.


Again, welcome to The Club. I'm glad you shared your experience with us.

May I humbly suggest trying a full dose (30-60mgs) without anything else in your system next time you ride (if you are comfortable with it). Jungle spice is great and all, so is mixing DMT with harmala alkaloids, but I think you will be amazed at what a pure Spice voyage can show you. It's intense, it's lightening fast, but it is the most amazing experience I have ever had in my life.
 
Hi acolon_5,

Please understand I send only respect vis-a-vis terminology. Though when looking for deep meaning, semantics don't do much for me. Having said that, I hear and understand where you are coming from. I have used the word sacrament myself. But, I do understand that one man's chemical drug is another's sacrament. One woman's weed is another's life-long plant ally. One man's herb is another man's drug, etc.

Also, I am agnostic.

Now, with the above in mind, for over 25 years I have thought of herbs and chemistry in various ways including as sacraments. When I identified as an atheist I still thought of LSD as a unique American (though discovered in Europe . . .) sacrament . . .

Regardless of these lame-ass defenses of mine let me just say this: The "It's just a drug, it's just a drug, it's just a drug . . ." was literally a last-ditch defense that I clung to like a lifesaver as I was sinking into a pit of panic and fear. A level of panic and fear that were not rivaled when hung up by wrists and caused the damage that plauges my shoulder (GRINDING arthritis). A level of panic and fear that were not rivaled when half of my family burned to death when I was 18 years old. A level of panic and fear that did not rival when told to sit down because I had a series of tumors pushing against my spine and required radical surgery . . .This crappy list goes on. The level of panic was only rivaled by childhood fears. Postively gripping. Postively irrational. I have no defense for what my paniked subcounscious caused me to say, "It's just a drug . . . "

Honestly, I do know better and did not mean to cause any offense. But, I will NOT lie or pull punches . . .

Finally, just because my conscious knows something to its core (I am agnostic . . . insects are not to be feared . . .) that doesn't mean that my subconcsious or unconscious agrees at all! Sorry about that, but there's not much I can do other than try to maintain an open dialog with these other, deeper sub/unconscious parts of my seemingly infinite mind . . .



In terms of this "club," why do I keep thinking of the immortal Groucho Marx who said somethng like, "I don't know if I'd want to join a club that would actually have me as a member!" 😉

Peaace, Pandora
 
Your description of the sentient God building is fascinating. I wonder what such an entity would have to say - I suppose you couldn't bring back such knowledge anyway.
 
telling peeps your a gurl on a drug forum is like telling a bunch of trekies at a star trek convention your from the pleasure planet... beware lol

other then that... glad you had a wonderful session cheers!
 
n terms of this "club," why do I keep thinking of the immortal Groucho Marx who said somethng like, "I don't know if I'd want to join a club that would actually have me as a member!"

Peaace, Pandora


That is the same thinking as my friend Burn is on. (what up Bro:lol: who are you not today:lol: )

Thats his sig:lol:

All is well
Peace

MV
 
Hi Pandora,

This was another long and intriguing read that you just had to follow till the end. I think it's good that you first wrote down the raw writing and then your 'normally' written journey, this way you can so much more relate. It's these kind of reports that show some real power of the spice, thank you for your writings.

And don't feel like you have to defend yourself Pandora. I'm 110% sure acolon_5 wrote that post with the best intentions and respect towards you in mind, I think he is VERY glad that you see the spirit molecule as sacred as we do. :)

Then on to the 'club' thing: I think the DMT-Nexus is more a knowledge and information sharing platform than a 'club'.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
Pandora said:
Hi acolon_5,

Please understand I send only respect vis-a-vis terminology. Though when looking for deep meaning, semantics don't do much for me. Having said that, I hear and understand where you are coming from. I have used the word sacrament myself. But, I do understand that one man's chemical drug is another's sacrament. One woman's weed is another's life-long plant ally. One man's herb is another man's drug, etc.

Also, I am agnostic.

Now, with the above in mind, for over 25 years I have thought of herbs and chemistry in various ways including as sacraments. When I identified as an atheist I still thought of LSD as a unique American (though discovered in Europe . . .) sacrament . . .

Regardless of these lame-ass defenses of mine let me just say this: The "It's just a drug, it's just a drug, it's just a drug . . ." was literally a last-ditch defense that I clung to like a lifesaver as I was sinking into a pit of panic and fear. A level of panic and fear that were not rivaled when hung up by wrists and caused the damage that plauges my shoulder (GRINDING arthritis). A level of panic and fear that were not rivaled when half of my family burned to death when I was 18 years old. A level of panic and fear that did not rival when told to sit down because I had a series of tumors pushing against my spine and required radical surgery . . .This crappy list goes on. The level of panic was only rivaled by childhood fears. Postively gripping. Postively irrational. I have no defense for what my paniked subcounscious caused me to say, "It's just a drug . . . "

Honestly, I do know better and did not mean to cause any offense. But, I will NOT lie or pull punches . . .

Finally, just because my conscious knows something to its core (I am agnostic . . . insects are not to be feared . . .) that doesn't mean that my subconcsious or unconscious agrees at all! Sorry about that, but there's not much I can do other than try to maintain an open dialog with these other, deeper sub/unconscious parts of my seemingly infinite mind . . .



In terms of this "club," why do I keep thinking of the immortal Groucho Marx who said somethng like, "I don't know if I'd want to join a club that would actually have me as a member!" 😉

Peaace, Pandora

Hey Pandora,

Please don't take ANY offence to my post. It was not meant to judge!

It's a long standing thing on the Nexus to welcome people to "The Club" (aka Club Hyperspace)when they write thier first breakthrough post. There is no club and no real meaning behind it other than welcome!

I was really praising you for respecting the Spice not telling you how to think or feel. Your religious or spiritual beliefs (and/or lack there of) are yours, I do want to change them, or make you feel like your beliefs are unwelcome here.

As for the "its just a drug" I understand where you were coming from, my first few breakthroughs I had similar thoughts running through my mind..."only 5 minutes, the drug will wear off soon, only 4 minutes...." etc... It's really something to be 100% normal sitting on your couch and then BAMB you are somewhere else with bright colors, entities (or buildings), it's overwhelming (massive understatement). I've been there many times, I really DO understand.

I'm very sorry you have had some difficulties in your life. I hope that in some small way the Nexus can help you find what it is your are looking for (if anything).

You don't need to defend your post to me. It was a very well written experience and seems to come from the heart. I'm glad you are a member.

Again, Welcome!
 
Great report, very interesting form you posted it in!
I'm glad to hear you broke through and got a glimpse of hyperspace, I'm actually yet to fully do that. Spice is really different, one can be a heavy psychedelic user before trying DMT and still be astonished by the immense experience! 😉
Dorge said:
telling peeps your a gurl on a drug forum is like telling a bunch of trekies at a star trek convention your from the pleasure planet... beware lol

other then that... glad you had a wonderful session cheers!
I have to say I don't agree a bit. We shall NOT encourage people to hide their gender, just because some people have a problem with girls on these kinds of forums. Those people are the problem, not the fact that there are females interested in spice. I find it very interesting to hear about all kinds of people who use spice, men and women, youngsters and elders, Europeans and Americans and so on..
 
Morphane said:
Your description of the sentient God building is fascinating. I wonder what such an entity would have to say - I suppose you couldn't bring back such knowledge anyway.


Morphane,

I suspect I know the answer. It is the same answer to the question, "What yould you/I/SWIM say to a bacteria or a paramecium? What would we have to say to an ant?"

And, just in case the next question might be something like: What would you say to it? please let me say that SWIM was so awed by the intelligence and power that SWIM would not attempt communication per say. Yep, she "gave into astonishment." But, check this out: SWIM would seriously consider "praying" to the thing. SWIM, who (quote from Lisa Simpson) thouroughly considers prayer to be, "The last refuge of a scoundrel!"

Peace,
Pandora
 
Dorge said:
telling peeps your a gurl on a drug forum is like telling a bunch of trekies at a star trek convention your from the pleasure planet... beware lol

other then that... glad you had a wonderful session cheers!


Dorge,

Part of my bloated ego structure feeds off of this phenomenon to which you speak, but I don't see it here. Please prepare to be (mildly) blasted by an old lady:

Guess what. I was/AM the woman at the World Science Fiction conventions, comic conventions, chess tournaments, premieres, etc. who is tall, thin, muscular and not afraid to wear fetish gear.

But, seriously dude: ROFL! Have you read anything here?!?

What made you think you were on a drug forum here?? I am conpletely asleep/entranced most of my life, but may I respectfully suggest you read some of Charles Tart's works?

I just defended SWIM's subconscious for using the term "drug" here. You can see my "excuse" with your own two eyes. What's yours?

Have you read anything I have posted here? SWIM and I are very close, so I am comfortable in saying: Isn't it clear that we are not a catch? We type things that irritate people and make people squirm. If anyone wants to make it less than 100% transparent I reference my husband (a formidable man in any realm). SWIM and I are the mistresses of Too Much Information. Dude, seriously, it seems highly probable that SWIM was outsmoking Rastas and taking weekly doses of varous psychedelics before you were born. She got with her husband of 21 years when REAGAN was president! Her worst trip ever was in 1989! Her husband's worst trip ever was in 1966!

Read a few posts and you will see why predators are not a problem. Name something, I dare you. Go ahead, be extreme. SWIM/I have been there and done that. This is one reason we are here - a mid-life search for novelty, insight, meaning and perhaps something more profound . . .Perhaps you are too young to understand why it is not too appealing to get involved with what can only be called 20 miles of badly patched road carrying 15 pounds of baggage. With scars, broken teeth and arthritis to boot. See, once you penetrate a Planck's distance beyond the surface, . . .

Enough said.

Peace & Love,
Pandora
 
acolon_5 said:
Welcome,

I hope you now understand why so many of us reject the term "drug" for this sacred sacrament. This is not a drug to be abused...it is a tool and a gift to be used and cherished.

Life WILL never be the same....at least it hasn't been for me. Believe me when I say that you've only scratched the surface of what this molecule can do, where it can take you, and what it can SHOW YOU.

Sometimes there is only love on the other side, intelligent insects and all (though I rarely see any insects). Sometimes it's just a wild ride without much meaning, a firework display so to speak. Sometimes, every once in a while, spice will offer you a glimps of The Divine. This is what I strive for with meditation and Spice.

There are all sorts of flora and fauna on the other side. Most friendly, some indifferent, and occasionally some that are not so nice. My friend frequently sees rainbow colored catfish looking creatures..they growl at him, but never bite.


Again, welcome to The Club. I'm glad you shared your experience with us.

May I humbly suggest trying a full dose (30-60mgs) without anything else in your system next time you ride (if you are comfortable with it). Jungle spice is great and all, so is mixing DMT with harmala alkaloids, but I think you will be amazed at what a pure Spice voyage can show you. It's intense, it's lightening fast, but it is the most amazing experience I have ever had in my life.

Hi acolon_5,

There is no way I could take offense, but I am neurotic and do tend towards defensiveness . . .LOL.

Re: The suggestion to take a full dose without anything else - I had come to the same conclusion but wanted to thank you. The harmala extract is not for SWIM, . . . though it might have some utility in oral combination with mushrooms . . .

SWIM's initial experiments with spice were a failure. They involved trying to smoke doses in a free-base pipe and using The Machine. SWIM quickly concluded that she was doing nothing other than feeling a tiny bit altered, wasting precious material and hurting her lungs . . .

SWIM bought some screens today. She may try to smoke spice in her waterpipe using a screen. SWIM is also considering loading a dose into her Volcano vaporizer . . .

Thanks again.

Peace & Love,
Pandora
 
Pandora
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- a mid-life search for novelty, insight, meaning and perhaps something more profound

Yes

I know exactly what you mean I have been walking down this lonesome road all my life. I have learned many things both good and bad in the eyes of society, and have come to the conclusion that the eyes of society are totally blind. I mean completely, with out even the ability to tell light from darkness, and I as you may wonder , why one would anyone believe in even a shred of its bullshit? (pardon my emotion)

Thinking like others is the comfortable easy thing to do and in my humble view a waste of ones life and a insult to Human Potential.
Since we are all human and all have unlimited potential my view is we should work together human to human with truth and honesty and compassion. If all of us would do this we would not need ANY infarastucture, no Gov no taxes, no military or police, no more working you life away at a job you detest in order to survive. We humans should focus on making the world a place where we take care of one another directly, with out being told what is best for us. In our conciseness, heart, universal mind or what ever we choose to call it all the answers exist waiting to be awoken.

The time has come we do not need the middle man. Who is the middle man you ask? It is anybody or anything that attempts to block human to human communication in ANY manner. Its a parasite that sucks our life blood with complete disregard for REAL freedom Real honesty and Real compassion.

I am hopeful that a few of the seeds we have sown will become a beautiful everlasting tree of redemption towering over the dogma of the past once and for all.


PEACE

MV
 
The time has come we do not need the middle man. Who is the middle man you ask? It is anybody or anything that attempts to block human to human communication in ANY manner.


Must be the full moon. Everyone is on edge. Even I feel different. Probably a transporter malfunction. <bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz>



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Phenomenal report Pandora! Welcome! Unfortunately I answered your last reply about "my method to breakthrough" a bit too late, but it seems you figured it out on your own! I was really happy to read that you learned that qty. of spice is not the key. It's set, setting, and most importantly timing! I know you know this now, and that's great knowledge to behold. The spice really does pick and choose when it gives you what it gives you!

I'm very happy for you, and enjoyed your report very much. You are at the doorway of the unconscionable! Keep us posted!

Peace
-idt
 
Pandora said:
acolon_5 said:
Welcome,

I hope you now understand why so many of us reject the term "drug" for this sacred sacrament. This is not a drug to be abused...it is a tool and a gift to be used and cherished.

Life WILL never be the same....at least it hasn't been for me. Believe me when I say that you've only scratched the surface of what this molecule can do, where it can take you, and what it can SHOW YOU.

Sometimes there is only love on the other side, intelligent insects and all (though I rarely see any insects). Sometimes it's just a wild ride without much meaning, a firework display so to speak. Sometimes, every once in a while, spice will offer you a glimps of The Divine. This is what I strive for with meditation and Spice.

There are all sorts of flora and fauna on the other side. Most friendly, some indifferent, and occasionally some that are not so nice. My friend frequently sees rainbow colored catfish looking creatures..they growl at him, but never bite.


Again, welcome to The Club. I'm glad you shared your experience with us.

May I humbly suggest trying a full dose (30-60mgs) without anything else in your system next time you ride (if you are comfortable with it). Jungle spice is great and all, so is mixing DMT with harmala alkaloids, but I think you will be amazed at what a pure Spice voyage can show you. It's intense, it's lightening fast, but it is the most amazing experience I have ever had in my life.

Hi acolon_5,

There is no way I could take offense, but I am neurotic and do tend towards defensiveness . . .LOL.

Re: The suggestion to take a full dose without anything else - I had come to the same conclusion but wanted to thank you. The harmala extract is not for SWIM, . . . though it might have some utility in oral combination with mushrooms . . .

SWIM's initial experiments with spice were a failure. They involved trying to smoke doses in a free-base pipe and using The Machine. SWIM quickly concluded that she was doing nothing other than feeling a tiny bit altered, wasting precious material and hurting her lungs . . .

SWIM bought some screens today. She may try to smoke spice in her waterpipe using a screen. SWIM is also considering loading a dose into her Volcano vaporizer . . .

Thanks again.

Peace & Love,
Pandora


I highly suggest smoking out of a waterpipe with a bed of leaf (any kind will do, but I perfer blue lotus) on top and bottom of the spice. The top layer insulates the spice from the flame and the bottom layer catches any that melts and is not vaporized on your first inhalation.

I have no experience with a volcanoe vaporizer, so I really can't comment, but I believe we have a thread about it on here somewhere.

You may be different than me, but I have found little use for harmala alkaloids and mushrooms. It gives it an metalic feeling that I really don't enjoy. It really puts me on edge.

Also, THH (tetrahydroharmine) and DMT are a much more pleasant combo than rue extract...if you care to explore combinations further.
 
MagikVenom said:
Pandora
wrote

- a mid-life search for novelty, insight, meaning and perhaps something more profound

Yes

I know exactly what you mean I have been walking down this lonesome road all my life. I have learned many things both good and bad in the eyes of society, and have come to the conclusion that the eyes of society are totally blind. I mean completely, with out even the ability to tell light from darkness, and I as you may wonder , why one would anyone believe in even a shred of its bullshit? (pardon my emotion)

Thinking like others is the comfortable easy thing to do and in my humble view a waste of ones life and a insult to Human Potential.
Since we are all human and all have unlimited potential my view is we should work together human to human with truth and honesty and compassion. If all of us would do this we would not need ANY infarastucture, no Gov no taxes, no military or police, no more working you life away at a job you detest in order to survive. We humans should focus on making the world a place where we take care of one another directly, with out being told what is best for us. In our conciseness, heart, universal mind or what ever we choose to call it all the answers exist waiting to be awoken.

The time has come we do not need the middle man. Who is the middle man you ask? It is anybody or anything that attempts to block human to human communication in ANY manner. Its a parasite that sucks our life blood with complete disregard for REAL freedom Real honesty and Real compassion.

I am hopeful that a few of the seeds we have sown will become a beautiful everlasting tree of redemption towering over the dogma of the past once and for all.


PEACE

MV

acolon_5,

Wow. Thanks. Nice to see it written down rather concisely . . .

Peace & Love,
Pandora
 
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