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Oh oh , what did I do ? Freeze precip problem.

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deweeb

deweeb

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All was going well after my first freeze precip , nice solid yellowish deem . I separated the deem from the naptha and was going to add some clean nap for another precip , but I was called away .
That's when the problem started . I left the deem siting in the pan at room temp and when I returned it had turned to a sticky mess .
No problem I thought , so I added the nap and attempted to mix everything up . There is no way , the naptha just totally separates out the instant I stop mixing . What's with that ? I thought DMT was soluble in naptha ? What would cause this to happen ?

Any suggestions what to do with this mess now would be appreciated ?

Thanks
 
sounds like you got gunk thats normal decant the clean naphtha (which holds the dmt)and refreeze it and leave the gunk behind thats nothing you want to smoke
 
I did a little further searching around and I think I am actually have DMT-N-oxide . From all the descriptions I am reading , plus the fact that it isn't soluble in naptha , all seems to fit . Plus the HMRB I was working with was a year old , plus I used warm water baths and hot naptha. All these seem to point to DMT-N-oxide .

I have also read that DMT-N-oxide is smokeable , but figuring out dosage can be tricky . I also understand that the DMT-N-oxide can be converted using Zinc dust , now I need to decide where to go from here , rats !
 
Just like psy. said, what you want IS in the naptha. Take the clear naptha off and evap. or freeze or whatever you do with it. :) I'd slow evap. it personally.
 
I very much doubt what you have is DMT N-Oxide....sure a bit of it may be, but only a very small amount.

Heat the naphtha slightly and your spice will dissolve in it.

You can then freeze again and it will crash out. Slow evap will give you larger xtals.
 
Ok here's what I have discovered so far . I put the goo and naptha in a 140f hot water bath for 1/2 hr . Stired the crap out of it , separated again within seconds . Clear naptha on top , yellow goo below .
Took entire container and stuck into the freezer . One hr later I have clear naptha layer on top , directly below I have a small layer of snow , below that I have a frozen yellow lump . The lump being approx 90% of the material . Back into freezer for now .

Still seems like the majority is DMT-N-oxide . But what do I know , this is my first attempt at a DMT extraction . Pondering where to go from here .
 
where the dmt is actually hiding is anyones guess right now.:d There is no doubt that the snow in the very middle layer is dmt , but if the bottom layer is contamination then what kind would it be that sinks in nap ? I was pretty careful with the separation process .

I plan on continuing to freeze the whole lot til tomorrow , then seperate the middle layer of white dmt , add more naptha to the remaining goo , mix and freeze again .

I used 700 grms of MHRB so I would expect there to be at least 10 grms of dmt . I haven't weighed any of this , but if I was to guess , maybe 2grms white dmt , and 20 grms of stuff on the bottom .
 
psilyguy said:
psychosisdoses said:
nadir said:
yep, it's not n-oxide, just some melted spice.
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no its not
the spice is in the naphtha
the goo is contamination
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YES!!!!!!! Why ask for advice, then not take it??
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Actually the advice is conflicting , some say the dmt is in the bottom yellow goo and another is disagreeing . So it's not a matter of not taking the advice I asked for , it's a matter of which advice is correct . At this point I accept everyone's agreement about it NOT being n-oxide .

I believe the route I am now taking will show pretty quick what layer the dmt is in .

Thanks !:d
 
opticuswrangler said:
<snipit>... 700 g's is an insane amount for someone's first extraction.

.....Just sayin'

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Well my moto in life has always been ; "Go big or go home !" Thanks for your concern though opticuswrangler. 8)
 
deweeb said:
psilyguy said:
psychosisdoses said:
nadir said:
yep, it's not n-oxide, just some melted spice.
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no its not
the spice is in the naphtha
the goo is contamination
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YES!!!!!!! Why ask for advice, then not take it??
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Actually the advice is conflicting , some say the dmt is in the bottom yellow goo and another is disagreeing . So it's not a matter of not taking the advice I asked for , it's a matter of which advice is correct . At this point I accept everyone's agreement about it NOT being n-oxide .

I believe the route I am now taking will show pretty quick what layer the dmt is in .

Thanks !:d
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Your spice was in the goo. Probably still is some. By putting the naphtha there, you are pulling the good stuff from the goo. If you then decant the clear naphtha and freeze precip. or slow evap it at room temp., you will end up with fairly purified product. You can then add more naphtha in the goo and repeat until you no longer pull anything. The goo that is left is garbage.
By freeze preciping with the goo still there, you just keep adding spice back to it. I hope this clears it up!
 
New update this morning . Here is a picture of what I found this morning in the freezer. Looks like a fair bit of dmt inter dispersed amongst frozen goo . So it looks like everyone is right , it doesn't appear to be n-oxide or at least not the majority of it anyway.

Here is what I am thinking , is it possible that the amount of naptha I used was not able to hold all the dmt due to total saturation therefor the rest remained in whatever the goo was on the bottom ? This does seem plausible since I can see dmt sprinkles throughout the goo as well as whatever fell out of solution .


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My plan from here is to heat more naptha to 140f and dissolve everything in the lump after removing whatever goods I can .Freeze precip again and see what happens in the morning .

It would be nice to be able to find some stats on the saturation point of naptha with dmt at various temps , that way a person could work with better volumes .

Thanks again everyone !
 
Well , well , how did you guys know !? :surprised Seriously , not only were you right where the dmt was hiding but also about it not being n-oxide . What is it about n-oxide that was different enough that you guys ruled it out ? I want to understand and learn !

Here's what I was able to get so far , snow white to boot ! :d

THANKS TO EVERYONE HERE !!!!

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deweeb said:
Well , well , how did you guys know !?
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because i know this shit

deweeb said:
New update this morning . Here is a picture of what I found this morning in the freezer. Looks like a fair bit of dmt inter dispersed amongst frozen goo .
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the fact that it froze proves what i said that its contamination
 
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