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Camponotus

Camponotus

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Hey folks,

I am vaguely reminiscent of a scenario in one of the forums online, where some user was begging for help bc he had no success with his extraction(s)...
This person claimed in his OP that he had some of the initial acidic soup left, which he was storing for 4 or 5 months since then...

One guy replied to it with something like : "Go look after the acidic soup you got left, I bet there is floating some white stuff on the top of the soup"

So I got some "old" chali soup (ph:2,5-3, Citric acid, filtered, about half a gallon,no pull) left and there is floating some odd "white" stuff on the top!

Is it possible for DMT (citrate) to crash out of the acidic soup?

:?: :oops:
 
It seems very unlikely that a highly soluble DMT salt will crystallise on the surface of the soup.

My short list of candidates would be mould, bacteria, yeast, or/and less soluble mineral salts, and fats.


Freebase DMT, however, will float to the surface of old, based MHRB soup, especially after it has been pulled with naphtha and left for a couple of months. The naphtha that was trapped in the soup after the pulls were removed will slowly float to the surface, where it can evaporate and leave behind solid DMT.

So it's possible that the case to which you're referring got confused about acidic and basic soup.
 
downwardsfromzero said:
It seems very unlikely that a highly soluble DMT salt will crystallise on the surface of the soup.

My short list of candidates would be mould, bacteria, yeast, or/and less soluble mineral salts, and fats.


Freebase DMT, however, will float to the surface of old, based MHRB soup, especially after it has been pulled with naphtha and left for a couple of months. The naphtha that was trapped in the soup after the pulls were removed will slowly float to the surface, where it can evaporate and leave behind solid DMT.

So it's possible that the case to which you're referring got confused about acidic and basic soup.
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You're probably right!

Yeah it looks like some solidified fats and/or proteins... should I discard it ? :? :( what do you think?

Thank you! :d
 
I wouldn't throw it away until I'd had a proper good look at it. The simplest thing would be to mix a sample of it with some sodium carbonate and water and boil it on a spoon. If it smells of DMT, keep it.

If this is unextracted soup, and it hasn't gone mouldy, you'll surely want to continue the process, with or without the white scum depending on the results of the test.

(Slightly more reliable than a smell test might be a chemical spot test like Marquis, Mecke , and/or Mandelin.)
 
At pH 2.5 - 3 it's unlikely to be mould.

I have a 1.5 year old batch of Chaliponga tea, still as good as ever and no white stuff floating of any kind. The pH is probably between 4.5 - 5.5.
 
Thanks to you both!
That's kind of confusing! I'm quite sure it's no mold because it has a different look but there are probably hundreds and thousands of mould species 😁

So to make my question complete I attached a pic of the soup! And proceed with it like usual after further storing and moulding :d I don't know :|

I am going to check the pH when I'll open it again!
 

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Mould tends to be inhibited be acetic acid, citric acid less so. Even with the pictures it's hard to say what the material is without meeting it in person, which is basically out of the question. And I've seen stuff like that growing on sour wine, so who knows?

If you've got more plant material to play with, it's probably best to start a new extraction. I can entirely understand the desire to avoid throwing this away, so - with all said and done - it's up to your judgement. It would be sad to throw away Chali soup, unless you've got a plant or two growing nearby.
 
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