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Right. My good friend Swimmy has just evaporated some yellow crayon like paste on ash in his bong. He was expecting to feel the effect of trace amounts of DMT. What was witnessed was a rising yellow tint with a green chess board effect raising to the top of his field of vision which then reached it's destination to unveil an epiphany of confusion like he was waiting for someone to tell him who he is again before he carried on with his life. No bad vibes, just sitting there as if awaiting a punchline to some joke he wasn't yet in on, but was feeling giddy about all the same. This all in combination of a feeling that the same place was somewhere else. After much waiting he figured no-one was going to tell him how to operate his body and mind, he started walking around his home (a very timid but jolly adventure it was too) and reading things as he passed by, touching things, using the toilet (very strange!). Satisfied that he could accomplish a task once it arose he sat down again for general pondering and let the effects trail away.

This was the leftover from a xylene evaporation 2x washed with solvent and was only consumed out of boredom/curiosity. It took a fairly large amount to have any noticeable effect compared to DMT. It took 3 bongs full as where DMT only requires 1.

I've heard of a lot of speculation about "jungle spice" and "yuremamine" but no one has ever reached any solid conclusions on this mystery substance SWIM was quite happy to smoke. If it was one of these substances SWIM would expect the effects to be at least similar to DMT, but this was totally different, like pscilocybin's skinny and ill younger brother who got slapped about a lot. Obviously the most rational explanation would be trace amounts of DMT, but SWIM has experienced DMT doses large and very, very small and this definately was not DMT.

It lingers much longer than DMT too!

SWIM has been discarding this stuff for month's as plain old residue, but would be more willing to hand this out to his guests than he would DMT from an accessability point of view. Once again this criteria conflicts strongly with folks experience of jungle spice which is said to be more intense.

Now I'm not talking about a dried blood like substance or a yellow tinted oil. This stuff looks like stright up ear-wax.

Anyone else have any friends with similar experiences?
 
Those effects sound exactly like DMT N-Oxide to me. But the texture of DMT N-Oxide is oily, not waxy.
 
Ah.. that would probably make sense if it was that as the active compound sitting in a load of other byproduct. The substance in question was extracted from an old STB that had been sat in NaOH at ph 14 for nearly 2 months. I'm guessing the raw plant material broke down a hell of a lot over this time and the xylene took everyone for captive, like it does.

But I thought N-Oxide was soluable in naptha?
 
It will. Nothing is really totally insoluble in a given solvent. Even water dissolves in naphtha, but we're talking about few molecule in 100s of ml of naphtha. This means that water is practically insoluble in naphtha.

Same goes for dmt-n-oxide. It is practically insoluble, but some of it will actually dissolve. Negligible amounts of course with room temperature naphtha, but more so if naphtha is heated up.

This is possibly one of the reasons that heated pulls are advised at temperatures at around 50 celsius (other than avoiding to evaporate the dmt out). One can do pulls with NP solvent heated up at 80 or 100C but in this case more yellow dmt-n-oxide will come through (and even more dmt risks to get oxidised to its n-oxide)
 
"Yellow DMT" isn't nessesarily DMT with DMT N-Oxide mixed in it. It could just be plant oils coloring up the DMT.

Until someone has some clear evidence that pure DMT N-Oxide is soluble in hot naphtha, I’d stay away from stating anything to that effect.

It’s a simple test. Make some DMT N-Oxide with hydrogen peroxide and alcohol, and try it. Put 100 mg in 100 ml of naphtha, heat it and see if any dissolves. I don’t think any reasonable amount will. But that’s just a guess.
 
SWIM's FOAF has done something similar; he obtained dmt n-oxide from xylene pulls (+FASA), he then freebased and washed away all dmt using many naphtha washes.

The remaining was a yellow oil that would not get solid. This yellow oil could dissolve in hot naphtha; not completely, but enough to colour the naphtha yellow. And the yellow oil was retrieved to a good extend when naphtha was left to cool at room tepmerature, leaving only hint of yellow in the naphtha.

Now, the yellow coloration of naphtha could not have been plaant oils. FASA does not leave any plant oils behind. It could have been "jungle spice stuff" that dissolved in the naphtha though.

But any way one sees it, yellow oily substance dissolved in hot naphtha and precipitated out of it. Yes, solubility of dmt n-oxide is really poor in naphtha, but SWIM's FOAF has a fair amount of indications that its solubility can be enhanced by warm naphtha. Sort of like the bufotenine solubility in boiling xylene.
 
How do you know the yellow stuff pulled by xylene was DMT N-Oxide? I thought it wasn't soluble in xylene.
 
I thought that dmt-n-oxide was soluble in xylene and can be pulled with xylene. At least that what SWIM's FOAF also thought. And I think mass spec data from xylene (or toluene) pulls also show peaks that can be assigned to dmt-n-oxide (from entropy's article on jungle spice).

And the yellow oil SWIM's FOAF obtained from the naphtha-washed xylene pulls was bioassayed (at 10 and 20mg) and was found to be dmt-like, with a jungle-spicey twist.
 
Maybe I’m wrong but I don't believe his tests can accurately detect DMT from DMT N-Oxide. The tests themselves can produce DMT N-Oxide as an artifact unless all steps are done without any possible contact with oxygen.

When SWIM has some time he'll test the solubility of DMT N-Oxide in xylene. From what I recall, it isn't soluble in xylene.
 
True. The test showed a peak 16 dalton heavier than the dmt peak. This is a good indication of dmt oxide (oxygen is 16 dalton), not necessarily of a dmt-n-oxide.

But this and extraction experience is a fair amount of indication (unfortunately indications as opposed to conclusive evidence, but what can we do?) to at least support the notion that yes, dmt-n-oxide is soluble in xylene. Otherwise SWIM's FOAF has no clue at all of what might have been smoking in his yellow xylene-extracted oil that felt dmt-ish!
 
Could just be DMT and oil.

When someone has pure DMT N-Oxide they made using hydrogen peroxide and alcohol, and then takes that and dissolves that in xylene and it dissolves, then we can be sure. But testing the results of a xylene pull is just not accurate. The N-Oxides could form in the xylene while doing to pull or afterwards while evaporating the xylene (very highly likely because it takes forever to evaporate).
 
Cpuld it be possible that DMT-n-oxide forms, when DMT is solved in hot naphta, because of the heat? I once did a pull with heated naphta and the result was a yellow, waxy stuff that was less potent then DMT. It seemed to have more visual effects in relation to the other effects i expected.
 
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