Perhaps, a less than favorable experience?...uh yup!

[HumbleTraveler]

So this is SWIM's 6th time experiencing spice. 1st was a failure due to intense throat burn and some overly intense but brief OEV's which, due to being foreign, were a little frightening simply due to no previous psychedlic experience, 2nd-5th were very very comforting and loving and smooth sub breakthrus with lovely CEV's...but today, today was pretty life changing. I still don't even know if I was stuck on some thin line between a breakthru and sub breakthru or if actually was a full on breakthru and perhaps someone could help clarify. The only reason Im not sure is because I was able to open my eyes, see my environment, but it was NOT as I knew it..SWIM was 100% gone from reality as he knew it to be. Despite being frightening, Not in a 'never going back' kind of way, but just in a, well that freaked swim out pretty good kind of way and he can be more prepared for next time...because Im back to 'reality' and its all intact! So whew! :roll:

20mg was loaded onto a ceramic disc and then plopped inside of the GVG, which is what is always roughly used, 15-20mg..FAR less than the typical amount known for a breakthru. The goal this time was to do something a little different and to try and vaporize the entire dose and inhale it in one smooth shot. Well, I got more than I bargained for. Part of the issue to SWIMS belief is that swim took the hit TOO fast and instead of one smooth slow breath in, it was one heavy quick deep gulp of vapor from the GVG.

The last bit of reality as SWIM knew it was putting the GVG and torch down next to his bed same as always. Immediately on exhale the feeling was incredibly different, it was probably 100x more fast and intense than the other experiences. The biggest issue faced was feeling like there wasnt enough air getting to swims lungs and he said "Ohhhh shit this is not gonna be a smooth ride!"

So swim closed his eyes and tried to remain calm knowing that based off the previous experiences, everything would be alright after perhaps just some minor turbulence... and like that BAM swim was blasted off, the typical geometric patterns and shapes were on super fast forward...and it was almost glitchy, and there was super intense auditory hallucinations which were typically not present at all or anywhere near as intense as this, very digital sounding like WONK-WONK-WONKWONKWONK-WONK noises.

SWIM was attempting to focus on making sure he was breathing, but the body load was far too overbearing and at that point swim felt as though he had physically lost connection to his body because everything went POOF and nothing existed with his eyes still closed. The loving, warm, familiar nurturing feeling swim was used to was not there. Nothing was.

SWIM then opened his eyes and shot up from his bed, his room as he knew it looked very block-like (almost like Lego-ish), it literally looked like he was stuck inside one of the rooms in Dire Straits Money for Nothing music video almost. Visually, everything was moving in very spaced apart jumpy frames, like notchy stop motion videography. He tried closing his eyes and laying down on his bed again but it just didnt feel right and just as soon as his head hit the pillow he shot back up out of his room. SWIM was trying as hard as he could to get a grip so he didnt accidentally get hurt by falling down the stairs or running into a wall lol.

He then picked up his phone (which looked very fake also) and SOMEHOW successfully dialed his girlfriend. He knows he said to her "Please come home, everything is ok, but can you please come home?" She said sure and said she was on her way. At this point, a few moments went by and swim was slowly feeling as though he was coming down. Things began looking normal again. He actually looked at his phone to check and see if the call to his GF actually happened. Swim then called her back and said 'Hey...are you coming home??' And she said yes Im coming home Ill be there in 10 minutes. Swim said 'Oh..ok just making sure.' Once back down to say about 90% normalcy, the feeling was one of ...so wait did that just happen? Shock, awe, amazement, bewilderment, with a good dose of fear mixed in as well.


Has anyone ever experienced a trip like this on such a small dose? 20mg from ACRB, same batch as from previous very good experiences. Mindset was positive prior to the experience as well with no fear of going in or any sort of anxiety. I truly wish there was no freakout on the breathing thing because it woulda probably been pretty damn good if I was able to hold it together hahaha.

 

[Mz.Gypzy]

That feeling of not being able to breath can accompany a breakthrough or near breakthrough, And can be quite scary at first. But IME is normal. Next time try not to worry about it. You will continue to breath.

If you could have let go, and relaxed into the experience you probably would have had a much more pleasant ride.

Fighting the experience, by continuously sitting up and opening eyes, making calls and things like this can make the experience harder.

I understand when people are new to this it is hard to surrender at first, but it is extremely important IME if you are looking for a breakthrough and a smooth ride.


Before your next go, have a pep talk with yourself.
Remind yourself it might feel like you can't breath and not to panic about it.
Coach yourself to stay laying down with eyes closed untill the experience is over.

Sometimes the sensations can be difficult, but if your looking for a breakthrough then you have to embrace them. Once you learn to flow with that feeling of becoming disconnected with your body is when the real magic happens and a lot of the uncomfortable will pass away.

Hope some of this helps, good luck and keep us updated

 

[Felnik]

You have to go easier on the dose .
I had one a few years back similar to what you describe .
Trouble breathing , fast moving black and white blocks .
Felt like I crossed a line and wAs never coming back .
Absolutely terrifying. I changed my entire procedure after that .


You have to experiment with smaller doses and grounding your mind and body .
You have learn to be stronger in yourself.
Think about your intention. Find a more ritual approach .

Your messing with some very serious and powerful stuff in case you haven't
Noticed yet . Why are you calling your girlfriend anyway ?
Personally I keep my phone shut off and do it far away from any people for obvious reasons.

 

[Kinaam]

Nice Experience, still never took a good dose but the feeling of not beeing able to breath is so familiar laying in the bed still to induce a OBE. Then i have also the feeling of not beeing able to breath, actually i breath normal but its just the feeling i cant breath.

Just from reading your and maybe 80% of the Experiences posted in this forum i whould say the feeling of nothing exists anymore seems to be together with strong noises a quite good indicator for a breakthrough or a near break through as Mz.Gypzy.

 

[HumbleTraveler]

You have to go easier on the dose .
I had one a few years back similar to what you describe .
Trouble breathing , fast moving black and white blocks .
Felt like I crossed a line and wAs never coming back .
Absolutely terrifying. I changed my entire procedure after that .


You have to experiment with smaller doses and grounding your mind and body .
You have learn to be stronger in yourself.
Think about your intention. Find a more ritual approach .

Your messing with some very serious and powerful stuff in case you haven't
Noticed yet . Why are you calling your girlfriend anyway ?
Personally I keep my phone shut off and do it far away from any people for obvious reasons.

Yes I agree, it felt like there was a line that was crossed and there was no return. The reason the call was made to my girlfriend simply was because that was the only way I felt that I could figure out if there was any bit of normalcy while I was stuck where I was. Im still impressed that my goal was to call her, and I actually did it haha. Im definitely going to go down in dose to 10-15mg from now on for a good deal of time, and perhaps add in some blue lotus or caapi before hand to smooth out the experience a good deal. As for my phone, I never imagined I would use it. Before blast off I always turn my phone to total silent, but leave it on. I felt I was ready to make the trip far beyond what I was used to, but this showed me I am definitely not there quite ye despite feeling more prepared and educated now.

That feeling of not being able to breath can accompany a breakthrough or near breakthrough, And can be quite scary at first. But IME is normal. Next time try not to worry about it. You will continue to breath.

If you could have let go, and relaxed into the experience you probably would have had a much more pleasant ride.

Fighting the experience, by continuously sitting up and opening eyes, making calls and things like this can make the experience harder.

I understand when people are new to this it is hard to surrender at first, but it is extremely important IME if you are looking for a breakthrough and a smooth ride.


Before your next go, have a pep talk with yourself.
Remind yourself it might feel like you can't breath and not to panic about it.
Coach yourself to stay laying down with eyes closed untill the experience is over.

Sometimes the sensations can be difficult, but if your looking for a breakthrough then you have to embrace them. Once you learn to flow with that feeling of becoming disconnected with your body is when the real magic happens and a lot of the uncomfortable will pass away.

Hope some of this helps, good luck and keep us updated

Thank you very much for this! I do wish I had just kept my eyes closed, the visuals I feel have the potential to be much better due to being more immersed in another realm as opposed to seeing a familiar enviornment all twisted and distorted. That is what scared the shit out of me because I was like ....wait a minuteeee somethings wrong! Thats the interesting part to me, is that I really did feel comfortable and ready and had no anxiety toward what I was about to do, but, I actually didnt expect what I got out of it. I was just totally unprepared for the expereience simply because the intensity of the feelings were completely foreign. I never expected to go as far as I did on my usual dose. I was expecting a deeper and more lengthy 'normal' ride for me. It just shocked the shit out of me to the point that I really did feel like life as I knew it was actually halting and my body just went into OH POOP mode. I reeeeally did try to keep calm and ride thru it as best I could but wasnt able to. Now, knowing what exactly occurred, I definitely feel like this experience was beneficial simply because now I know what to expect for the future, and I will be able to relax far easier and just hang on for the journey and trust that I will come back from it once its complete.

Nice Experience, still never took a good dose but the feeling of not beeing able to breath is so familiar laying in the bed still to induce a OBE. Then i have also the feeling of not beeing able to breath, actually i breath normal but its just the feeling i cant breath.

Just from reading your and maybe 80% of the Experiences posted in this forum i whould say the feeling of nothing exists anymore seems to be together with strong noises a quite good indicator for a breakthrough or a near break through as Mz.Gypzy.

Yes I too do believe that the noises were quite freaky in a way, but at the same time very interesting and intruging just because Im sure I was on the borderline of some other realm. I did feel as though I was attempting to be communicated to from some entities, but there was not enough clarity in the experience due to the slight panic I was in. During my other good experieces in sub breakthru,a few times I felt as though I was laying out in some amber light, and there were shadow figures above me and they were working on my body to aid in my slight ankle and knee pain. It was like they were trying to help and there was very distant/low volume sounds accompanied. These sounds though this time were very very obvious and constant and noisy.

 

[Cazman043]

Happens to all of us bro. We all have an experience we freak it on. I do it all the time The key is learning to accept and direct. You can learn to control the focus of your mind, whilst accepting whatever the trip throws at you. By that i mean, if it tells you to die.. you die. haha, just keep at it man, i haven't brokenthrough yet, i'll get back to you when i have my scales, maybe i'm in for a similar ride, but i think i'll be doing 25-30mg straight up... only done changa and like 15mg of dmt in a hit... some people believe the larger doses are more comforting as the lower doses are very physical. however, i've never really been blasted off into hyperspace, only in OBE's through meditation have i done that and i'm guessing it's pretty blooming different.

Good luck with the journey, and remember, its not a race to the finish line, its a long marathon

 

[Cloud_Buddha]

hey there Humbletraveller,
Can I ask why you use DMT and what you want to get out of the experience?
It seems a little odd to me that when you got the well advertised effects of the DMT, you became distressed and needed normalcy.
And you said you could open your eyes and see the world, but it wasn't as you'd expect it. What did you expect from arguably the most powerful hallucinogenic that we know of?


Please don't think I'm criticising you here, I've certainly had that "what the fuck have I just done?" feeling, but perhaps experience and confidence allow me to take the third toke and let it all flow. I'm just curious as to what sort of experience you want from this?

Perhaps some practical advice, perhaps spend a few moments deep breathing, so that you won't experience the out of breath feeling (I know that can freak me out a bit, even when I'm just swimming) and you don't want that shot of adrenaline pumping through you as you enter a different reality.

Secondly, it might be advisable to have someone who can be there with you to catch your equipment, in the case of you breaking through. I know from my one breakthrough that 1/2 way through my 2nd toke, I was no longer in the room, I was cascading through a multitude of dimensions, so I would definitely have dropped some hot equipment onto me/ flammable bedsheets had it not been for my partner.

And thirdly, don't be too concerned whether you broke through or not. it's not a competition, or a badge of honour but a personal experience. I can only say for me, but when I did, I utterly knew about it (afterwards of course, as I was no longer around to go "oh, so that was a breakthrough". The concept of CEV or OEV was irrelevant as I had no eyes, I just 'was')

So perhaps your experience was more pronounced as you blasted it quickly (like the way a shot of spirits hits you, as opposed to a beer, in some way). perhaps you were just short of breath and that added an element of fear...
Don't worry, you're in the right place to get helpful tips and if you want to be more confident in your travels, you're doing the right thing, talking to experienced folks

 

[HumbleTraveler]

Happens to all of us bro. We all have an experience we freak it on. I do it all the time The key is learning to accept and direct. You can learn to control the focus of your mind, whilst accepting whatever the trip throws at you. By that i mean, if it tells you to die.. you die. haha, just keep at it man, i haven't brokenthrough yet, i'll get back to you when i have my scales, maybe i'm in for a similar ride, but i think i'll be doing 25-30mg straight up... only done changa and like 15mg of dmt in a hit... some people believe the larger doses are more comforting as the lower doses are very physical. however, i've never really been blasted off into hyperspace, only in OBE's through meditation have i done that and i'm guessing it's pretty blooming different.

Good luck with the journey, and remember, its not a race to the finish line, its a long marathon

Thank you for the insight! It certainly was a positive experience and I learned a lot from it, specifically to just trust the situation and maintain calmness. And yes, die if necessary hahah. Stay with the 15mg dude Im gonna hang out there for a long time now and will certainly be incorporating the caapi or lotus I have to lengthen the experience. 15 to 25-30 is a gigantic-ass jump! You seem relatively prepared though, so definitely post something up about it when the time comes because Id like to read your experience.

hey there Humbletraveller,
Can I ask why you use DMT and what you want to get out of the experience?
It seems a little odd to me that when you got the well advertised effects of the DMT, you became distressed and needed normalcy.
And you said you could open your eyes and see the world, but it wasn't as you'd expect it. What did you expect from arguably the most powerful hallucinogenic that we know of?


Please don't think I'm criticising you here, I've certainly had that "what the fuck have I just done?" feeling, but perhaps experience and confidence allow me to take the third toke and let it all flow. I'm just curious as to what sort of experience you want from this?

Perhaps some practical advice, perhaps spend a few moments deep breathing, so that you won't experience the out of breath feeling (I know that can freak me out a bit, even when I'm just swimming) and you don't want that shot of adrenaline pumping through you as you enter a different reality.

Secondly, it might be advisable to have someone who can be there with you to catch your equipment, in the case of you breaking through. I know from my one breakthrough that 1/2 way through my 2nd toke, I was no longer in the room, I was cascading through a multitude of dimensions, so I would definitely have dropped some hot equipment onto me/ flammable bedsheets had it not been for my partner.

And thirdly, don't be too concerned whether you broke through or not. it's not a competition, or a badge of honour but a personal experience. I can only say for me, but when I did, I utterly knew about it (afterwards of course, as I was no longer around to go "oh, so that was a breakthrough". The concept of CEV or OEV was irrelevant as I had no eyes, I just 'was')

So perhaps your experience was more pronounced as you blasted it quickly (like the way a shot of spirits hits you, as opposed to a beer, in some way). perhaps you were just short of breath and that added an element of fear...
Don't worry, you're in the right place to get helpful tips and if you want to be more confident in your travels, you're doing the right thing, talking to experienced folks

The 'problem', if you can call it that though I dont see it as one now, I had with it was simply that I wasnt expecting to go anywhere as deep as I did on my usual dose. Thats why I wanted normalcy, just because Ive never ever ever seen normalcy totally disappear. I was very prepared and excited for a smooth yet intense sub-breakthru with a slightly hightened intense CE visual field and primarily, I was looking for a longer ride too, hence why I was trying to vape and take the whole dose in one breath. So that was the part that freaked me was that I was not present anymore in 'my' room as I knew it. Where I have been used to beautiful CEV's, I could always open my eyes for a brief second and see what I knew to still be right there, which, is comforting as any of us would know. My goal was to continue to sit at the edge with both feet in the pool and slowly continue lowering myself in over time, and I basically accidentally fell into the pool and felt like a cover was placed over the top hahah. Mid fall it was an "Oops I just bit off more than I can chew just yet" moment.

My overall goal is really to explore what is beyond the imaginable in day to day reality as we know. I do believe that there are other planes of existence and the fact that we are able to navigate and explore them is fascinating to me. I do not drink alcohol, and do not partake in any other form of substance usage. So the entire field is completely new to me. I have no plans on branching off either to other forms of substances. So, that is where my freak out came from was that I never imagined the insane intensity and realistic-ness of what I sort of accidentally stumbled across before being prepared for it more with furthering my experiences in the sub-break thru realm. I was not expecting to actively see my world completely changed before my eyes to something Id never seen. Thats what was uncomfortable to me, especially having zero experience with any thing else. Not even marijuana. Im a completely blank slate haha.

And yes that was certainly what didnt help was that I held my breath for a good 20 seconds (longer than my normal 12-15 secs), and by the time I had exhaled slowly I was already off and running to 1st base and I felt like I couldnt catch my breath because the journey had already begun, the body load was already strong and way more intensely than I was accustomed to. I dont care so much about achieving the breakthru, I just wanted some ideas in understanding if what I saw was what I should expect in the breakthru realm or if I really was stuck halfway on the line haha. In my opinion and using some reasoning, I believe I was stuck halfway.

So, in all, it was a great learning experience because I now saw the power further than what I was used to or imagined possible. Even though I have spent countless months and months reading and learning about others experience and the advertised effects as you mention, as we all know, this certainly inst something that one can understand simply by spending hundreds of hours reading about. Especially at THAT level. Its easy to understand from reading that youre going to see patterns and colors and shapes and tunnels, but going further than that is simply something that needs to be experienced to grasp. Despite this experience its not something that scared me or left me afraid of the next experience!

 

[Cloud_Buddha]

glad to hear it

I hope you enjoy all that this wonderful chemical can provide you with. I've found on my few experiences, that even though it can be totally "wooaaa" I've felt that I was looked after, and no real harm can come to me, as long as I'm aware of what I've let myself in for. And I hope it's the same for you. you seem to be approaching this with a good head on your shoulders, so I think you'll do well.
Even with my 23 years of experiencing other realities, it still hits me over the head with a lobster telephone and astounds me as to how quick and absolute it is. it certainly is good to be alive

 

[Bill Cipher]

My goal was to continue to sit at the edge with both feet in the pool and slowly continue lowering myself in over time.

That's not really a workable goal with vaporized DMT. It's not necessarily 100% impossible, but there are many other classic psychedelics better suited for such an aim.

Be advised that if you are still able to walk, talk, make any sense of your baseline surroundings or comprehend your native tongue in any way, shape or form, you have only just scratched the surface. Moving up in the dosage range will result in an experience that is exponentially more immersive.

I caution you to go slowly with introducing caapi into the mix. Don't assume that this will necessarily make the experience any gentler. It is more conducive to your pool analogy, but any way you slice it, vaporizing DMT in sufficient amounts is going to hit you like a sledgehammer.

Be safe.

 

[HumbleTraveler]

glad to hear it

I hope you enjoy all that this wonderful chemical can provide you with. I've found on my few experiences, that even though it can be totally "wooaaa" I've felt that I was looked after, and no real harm can come to me, as long as I'm aware of what I've let myself in for. And I hope it's the same for you. you seem to be approaching this with a good head on your shoulders, so I think you'll do well.
Even with my 23 years of experiencing other realities, it still hits me over the head with a lobster telephone and astounds me as to how quick and absolute it is. it certainly is good to be alive

Thank you for the kind words! I do look forward to what the future has to offer.

My goal was to continue to sit at the edge with both feet in the pool and slowly continue lowering myself in over time.

That's not really a workable goal with vaporized DMT. It's not necessarily 100% impossible, but there are many other classic psychedelics better suited for such an aim.

Thank you for your input.

I dont think any other psychedelics would fulfill what my search is. I dont like the idea of being F'd up on something for several hours, like with shrooms. I dont want a multi-hour experience. I dont want to see walls bending and objects pulsating and breathing. Interesting? Maybe, but I, me, personally, have no real use for it.

Im simply saying that in comparison to what I experienced on this instance, to me, my previous experiences were sitting at the edge lowering myself in slowly. I wanted to continue with another expereience of where I had been at, because I was satisfied with them. Also, Im getting familiar with the feelings. I've had very very good and smooth times with vaporized spice. Every ones accounts are different because every one IS different. I was simply making a comparison between my very good times to this time. And I am certainly (now ) aware that a small dosage increase is leaps and bounds and other worlds different. My goal with sub-breakthrus is perfecting my mind and body control to the point that I am fully comfortable to up the dosage and continue with my travels.

I think for my next attempt I will try 80mg. Does that sound doable?


Just kidding

 

[HumbleTraveler]

I'd like to bring this back for some further help for a bit folks. Sorry for the lengthy-ness, I cant make it short and sweet! And before you post, please don't tell me 'Dude just let go and blast off!" I know, Im trying hahaha. I have blue lotus, passion flower, and b.caapi leaves, perhaps I need to get my smoalk on with some quantity of them prior to spice to take the edge off?



So, the occurrence described in my original post of this thread has, for lack of better words, left me a little anxious/uneasy about going on the journey. Ive lowered my dosage dramatically, even way less than when I introduced myself to this realm. I truly believed I had moved past the fear of what happened last time and was ready to get back into some lovely experiences like my first 4 or 5 were. Today, 12mg was loaded into the GVG on a ceramic disc, SWIM figures he got about 75% of the dose in the initial hit, the GVG was very very filled with dense white vapor and it felt like it took a good 10 seconds just to clear the GVG and fill the lungs. I was rather aggressive with the heat. But It was smooth and warm air, with only a very minor throat irritation, likely due to the density of the vapor. While holding my breath, something, for some reason made me cough it out.

It was coughed out after already holding it in for about 15 seconds, which is all he usually holds it in for. Again WHAM, SWIM was blindsided by a panic feeling and intense body load. There was no peaceful, steady slow comeup, no carrier wave, didnt even get a chance to close his eyes and check out the CEV's. SWIM's room began being replaced again, though with less intensity than last time, by a fake, plastic looking synthetic environment. Movements were jumpy and non-linear SWIM felt that his consciousness and body were disconnected but still stuck together. However, SWIM tried to stay calm and grounded, tried to say relax, but his body just did what it wanted. It felt like SWIM had no control over his bodys response at all to the panic.

Thankfully, after about only 60 seconds, swim began to calm down as the episode was ending. Funnily enough, to conquer the fear (because it does not sit well with him that this fear is occuring), he layed back on his bed and picked up the GVG back up, and vaporized whatever remained on the ceramic disc in the GVG. He closed his eyes, and actually had some very very pleasing CEV's with all common scenery of geometry, shapes, patterns, etc etc, though without body load and less of a dream-like feeling than normal. It was just nice CEV's and euphoria. This made him happy that he was at least able to salvage the experience and turn it around into something pleasant. One thing I always see, besides the Seed of Life swirling around, I always see with eyes closed is a Humming Bird. Its an outline of one, which is made up of many many swoooping lines.





Now, I have a few thoughts on whats happening here that Id like feedback on please. Aside from simply needing to totally clear the mind and let go of course...

1. SWIM needs to revert to his previous methods of gentler heating. The GVG used to not fill up so quickly and densely with vapor. In the previous beautiful sub-breakthrus, swim was breathing in say 25% vapor to 75% oxygen, now, its flopped to breathing in more like 90% vapor to 10% air in the hit. This, in SWIM's guess, MAY be one reason why these occurrences are happening. The lungs are taking in a more concentrated intake, and its shocking the system with a frightening intensity, and the body is going into a panic and theres no chance to even get to try to stay calm. Its just a flood of panic saying "this is a very bad feeling, something is not right, snap out of it and come back to normal" The best way to describe it is that SWIM gets stuck in some sort of pre-breakthru purgatory. SWIM is in 'this world' but its ALL gone and replaced with a synthetic enviornment that looks digitally created.

2. Is it possible that lowering the dose is actually hurting? I've read instances like this but moreso with other drugs being terribly uncomfortable on low doses. I dont think it is the case here because like I said, my good experiences were always with 16-18mg's, but I always had A LOT of unvaporized spice left on the ceramic disc after the pleasant journeys, figuring there was no more than 10-12mg getting into my system over 2-3 hits total out of the 16-18mg that was actually loaded onto the ceramic disc. So, could it be that gentler heating is needed as I mentioned above?

3. SWIM's quantity of spice is mixed between a few different extractions all stored in the same container, though kind of layered, 3 in total. Bottom is the oldest of maybe 2 months ago, and the newest probably a month ago. SWIM went thru the newest quantity first. All are the same bark, using Cybs Salt tek. The only thing that changed was SWIM began using a glass pipette for the newest extraction, and the previous 2 were using a plastic HDPE container to transfer naphtha from its jug to the extraction bottle, and then cheap plastic eye droppers were used to transfer saturated naphtha to the dishes. SWIM believes his good experiences were with the spice that was extracted using all glass, and the current bad experiences may be from the extractions using the older batch where he used the plastic droppers. Does this sound crazy? What are the chances that plastic contaminated spice is messing with SWIM's head on entry and making the trips hella scary and sending his body into panic mode? Should SWIM start over and replace what he has with fresh stuff?


Thank you for taking the time to read and hopefully help out with some ideas and guidance! Sorry again for the length.

 

[sakana]

A lot of people do find sub-breakthrough DMT experiences very unsettling so as you say upping your dose could be the answer. I'd go straight in for 50-60mg, also maybe consider other ways of smoking it - I find a dry bong wih dmt sandwiched between caapi leaf way easier than vaping or glass pipes, but that's just me.

Pretty much everyone on here will tell you that they too get anxious before they go for a hit, increased heart rate/difficulty breathing etc, just remember that you're going to hyperspace because you want to, and that you'll be back soon, probably wishing you were still there.

Thinking you're not breathing right is common - don't sweat it, it's usually simple paranoia and actually makes sense considering you've suddenly lost awareness of something you do every second of your life. I sometimes find the dmt locals tell me to relax and slow my breathing and watching others tripping their often breathing fast and hard, so if anything you'll just breathe more than normal.

Also try not to hold on to any expectations. There's a lot of art on here - consider it all wrong! You may never see something like others have seen, you may something no one has seen and one day try some art yourself. There is also plenty talk of entity contact as you say you're expecting/hoping for at some point. This could come in any way, at any time, in any experience. Mostly their nice, if you feel their unsettling then crack a mental smile, their almost as powerful as real ones.

You might see/hear/feel anything out there, but none of it can actually hurt you and in fact is quite possibly all a figment of your imagination.

I'm really rambling on here, but also in regards to the quality of spice - I've always used plastic pipettes with no negative results.

 

[Kahdaj]

I can relate to most of what you're feeling Humble. For me, lower doses are always accompanied with a more taxing body load. This is true up until the dosage where you are torn from your body, then you will have nothing to worry about. For me, 60mg of 1:1 enhanced leaf in a bong (one hit straight to the crown) will send me to Andromeda and back.

Its just a flood of panic saying "this is a very bad feeling, something is not right, snap out of it and come back to normal" The best way to describe it is that SWIM gets stuck in some sort of pre-breakthru purgatory. SWIM is in 'this world' but its ALL gone and replaced with a synthetic enviornment that looks digitally created.

I arrive at this place every single time I smoalk. For me it seems to be the place where I am "judged" by the molocule and then either allowed to access the beauty and terror of DMT, or I get stuck in that waiting room until I start to come back. To me it seems like a test, I know what substance I am putting in my body and the side effects it may have, but I'm in search of something greater, and that waiting room is a needed trial for what could at any time be the best or worst trip of my life.

As for the pre-flight jitters, 10 minutes or more of very simple stillness or even better meditation to clear your head and come to terms with what you're about to do. A clear head helps me greatly on the come up when the panic starts, your inner voice will be 10000x more powerful when it isn't clouded with trivial thoughts.

I hope you find the clarity and strength needed to continue with this amazing gift, and if not I wouldn't see any problem in that, DMT is not for everyone.
In any case I wish you the best of luck on your journeys.

 

[2JupitersTooMany]

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[Kahdaj]

That sounds terryfing Jupiter, I am truly sorry you had to endure that.

It was was likewise a "100x faster" type experience but I was seeing my panic visually, and ended up getting torn apart by reptiles in some meaningless void for a half hour.

When you say this, was there a physical aspect to it as well? Every time I have gone deep, I lose all sense of body and self so I can't relate. Perhaps it wasn't quite a breakthrough dose so you had all the body load plus the harmalas. In that case it does sound like a recipe for a difficult trip.

Sounds like your on the right path, the magic isn't going anywhere :d

Take care

 

[Entheogenerator]

I've always used plastic pipettes with no negative results.

No noticeable negative results so far... VM&P naphtha can and will degrade plastic and leave impurities in the final product. This has been discussed so thoroughly on The Nexus that I really don't understand why anyone would still use plastic. I'd rather not vaporize plastic with my spice, but maybe that's just me.

"I feel like I'm so at home with this substance, I can't conceive of it ever going bad."

Did you consider the possibility that perhaps the spice was punishing you for not knocking on wood? :lol:

Personally, Humble Traveler, I think you probably just shocked yourself with the one unpleasant experience and now you've created an association in your subconscious between DMT and those uncomfortable feelings. I don't think the rate that you inhale your spice is going to have a significant effect. It is possible that it could affect the speed of the onset slightly. But once the effects fully set in, I really don't think the difference would be noticeable.

That being said, I have never enjoyed threshold doses of any entheogen. When I have taken small doses in the past, I have always found myself in this weird, uncomfortable, pseudo-psychedelic limbo where I feel most of the physical effects that I don't particularly enjoy (especially with DMT), but I don't experience any of the psychedelic effects that I usually seek from entheogens. I think a lot of the physical effects go by unnoticed when a full dose is ingested because the mental, visual, auditory, and spiritual effects are so great that they require all of one's focus and attention. Small doses also tend to cause a lot of anxiety for me, most likely in part because the dose is not sufficient to successfully lower (or completely obliterate depending on the dose) my inhibitions.

I have always been a believer in the notion that one really can't really "test the waters" so to speak, with psychedelic plants and compounds. The subjective effects of small doses are completely different from those of a larger dose. Now I'm not telling you what to do, I just usually recommend that people start with one very small dose of a new compound, to test for an allergic reaction, then go all in with the next dose. This is simply because of my wonderful encounters in the past with medium to large doses, and unpleasant past experiences with small doses. This element of my approach to introducing newcomers has not caused any problems or traumatic episodes so far, and I have introduced a considerable number of close friends and family.

Your third theory is also plausible. It could be that you are subconsciously worrying about contaminants in that particular batch of spice, due to using plastic in the extraction process. Many people use plastic in their extractions and ingest their spice without even thinking twice. As I'm sure you have gathered from the beginning of my post, I do not condone this. Do as you please, but if I were in your position I would probably go the extra mile and purify the batch in question. Just to be sure. It certainly wouldn't hurt. And who knows, it might even put your mind at ease a bit...

 

[sakana]

I've always used plastic pipettes with no negative results.

No noticeable negative results so far... VM&P naphtha can and will degrade plastic and leave impurities in the final product. This has been discussed so thoroughly on The Nexus that I really don't understand why anyone would still use plastic. I'd rather not vaporize plastic with my spice, but maybe that's just me.

Never knew that, thanks for the heads up!

 

[User1911]

If you were able to move, and use your cell phone and walk around, you def did not smoke nearly enough. heres a tip swim passed on to ease that initial feeling that surges over you, get comfortable in your bed, turn the lights off, maybe just a small candle lit while you travel. Swim has found that, traveling in low light eases the take off and makes things less shocking. And after a few travels you will sort of ease into that feeling that comes over you as you close your eyes, and take off. Its almost like a surge of energy that comes from your chest and lifts you. IT can be pretty unnerving at first, but once you get accustom to it, wont be scary anymore...

 

[2JupitersTooMany]

That sounds terryfing Jupiter, I am truly sorry you had to endure that.

It was was likewise a "100x faster" type experience but I was seeing my panic visually, and ended up getting torn apart by reptiles in some meaningless void for a half hour.

When you say this, was there a physical aspect to it as well? Every time I have gone deep, I lose all sense of body and self so I can't relate. Perhaps it wasn't quite a breakthrough dose so you had all the body load plus the harmalas. In that case it does sound like a recipe for a difficult trip.

Sounds like your on the right path, the magic isn't going anywhere :d

Take care

Hah, this was pretty horrible. I've forgotten most of it now, but had a week there where I believed I might never smile again, felt like I was being followed, and I could "feel" what it was like to be there. At the time it was happening, all I could think was, "If this is what is waiting for me, I could not bear it for eternity, this is unspeakably horrible." Because DMT allows you to perceive so much at once time, the potential for horror is so much greater than in waking life.

This was certainly a breakthrough dose. I was knocked back in my chair, could not open my eyes for several minutes, completely paralyzed. First thing I saw was the familiar geometry building, and that familiar early presence, but it went bad, and I knew it. I saw the eye of Horace forming like lightning, then heard this high-pitched terrified voice saying nonononononononono, and every "no" was a question mark in my face. Then I was launched into this pit, where I felt this reptilian presence, flashes of scales and tails, etc, and I felt like I was being devoured in this place where hope had been extinguished and there was nothing but panic and meaninglessness. It was unspeakably horrific, but a forgotten memory now. I haven't had spice since then, and I've been building my psychonautical sea legs with ramping up doses of psilocybin and plenty of self-reflection and meditation. I'll get back to the spice eventually, but not until I feel like I've done some more self development. It is crazy that I would get slapped that hard after saying how invincible I was, basically. I mean I said it in the most well-intentioned way . Never saw that coming.