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Peyote dosage opinions?

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1664

1664

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feel free to point me in the right direction if there is already a thread for this...

I have used San Pedo a few times before, but I have a good collection of Peyote buttons that are finally of the age they could be used themselves. Most are 3-4cm wide. How many buttons do other folk consider to be a good medium to strong dose?

Erowid states approx 100-150g (fresh), or about 8 - 10 medium buttons. Anyone care to share their recommended dose?
 
same as bridgesii *dried* personally.

never compared fresh, but i weighed some 3cm buttons the other day and they were 8-13grams each (the stem, no root).
 
It does matter a lot how large these buttons realy are. There´s a big difference between 3 and 4 cm. A 4 cm button is almost 1.5 times the size of a 3 cm button.

I think that 8 buttons of around 3.5 cm realy ought to be enough for a first class psychedelic experience.
 
Thanks for the responses. I have 8 buttons, 1 is 3.5cm, the rest are just about 4cm. I also have one that is nearly 10cm, but that one is never getting eaten! I might go for 6, or 8 if I muster the courage.
 
Just re-read polytrips post, maybe 8 X 4cm buttons would be a bit much!
 
Yeah, I've read that it is the most forgiving of the psy's. I have never pushed it when using San Pedro, but good to know it's hard to overdo it.
 
Interesting this comes up now, my mind has drifted the Grandfather Peyote way, I will be having a session soon with some 20x caapi extract and 6x 5cm Peyote. As with the other cacti, age and size is an important factor to take into account potency wise.
 
I'm planning a trip into nature on my mountain bike with a few buttons and a tent in my back pack. Can't wait, just need some good weather (in short supply in the UK)

I'm going to look into the caapi combo as well. Do you plan on a solo session Bancopuma? It's going to be a good old fashioned vision quest for me. :)

Are you experienced with that dose of 6X 5cm buttons? How potent is it, and how much does the caapi potentiate the experience?
 
No I have very little experience with Peyote...many years ago, at the start of my psychedelic journey, I ate one single large button I purchased in Camden, not knowing 6 is the minimum psychedelic dose...had a definite head change and sensations, but was subtle. I have very little experience, if any, of combining caapi with Peyote, I just warmed greatly to polytrip's descriptions of this synergy, and want to get the most out of my Peyote, I'm a big fan of caapi (used to work a lot with Rue, but have had enough of that for a lifetime). Luckily I live right out in the countryside, so I will be eating them and going for a long explore one day/eve/night... 😉
 
I did the same thing the first time I tried any cacti Bancopuma - I bought 2 peyote online years ago. I ate 1 with no effect, but planted the other and I still have it (that's the huge one now). Only ever had Pedro since. Let us know how you get on!

Can you link the description from Polytrip you mentioned?

If you live in the UK BTW you can find 4cm buttons for around £2.50 in many garden centres, 10 X cheaper than online. I have grown some from seed and bought others when I see them.
 
One 5cm cactus with caapi is described as having deeply euphoric MDMA-like effects by Mr Polytrip, with larger amounts quickly turning more psychedelic. I asked him recently about any advice pre-session, and based on experience he recommends a tea, slicing up the cactus as finely as possible before boiling it briefly. This brew tends to be more powerful and get to work quicker than eating the cactus whole. (Thanks for the info dude!) Peyote definitely seems to have a character distinct from the other cacti species, due to its complex alkaloid chemistry. Thanks for the garden centre tip by the way, will keep my eyes peeled.. 😉
 
1664 said:
If you live in the UK BTW you can find 4cm buttons for around £2.50 in many garden centres, 10 X cheaper than online. I have grown some from seed and bought others when I see them.
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really? any chain garden stores you know of that will most likely stock them?
 
I'd like to bump this topic for some more opinions on Peyote dose. I now have 9g of dried Peyote. This was 11 X 3-4 cm buttons. The dried v's fresh weights stated on Erowid don't add up, and it is very difficult to find any consistent data on the web.

I know strength of cacti varies, but any more experiences / opinions of Nexians (who I find much easier to trust than other sites!!) will help me find a level I want to go in at. I am after a fully visionary experience. Any help on a dried weight?
 
I got mild effects from 7g of dried, mature, 13cm diameter cactus. Assuming a mescaline content of 1% this would have equated to 70mg, which is barely threshold.In this instance, 30 to 40g dried would be the optimum amount. Oh and regarding the availability of Lophophora williamsii plants in the U.K. there are a number of mail order cactus nurseries which sell them, some offer quite large specimens at a fraction of the price of 'head shops'. I don't know why people bother to buy plants from head shops at all.
 
Thanks molcadot. 30-40g? Wow, that seems a lot (I don't doubt you though!!)
that would be about 30-40 3cm buttons? If that's the case I'm either going to have to buy loads more, or wait another 5 years for the rest of my crop to mature a bit :-(
 
Hey 1664, you mentioned trying san pedro a few times, how would you describe it's effects? Was it with dried or fresh and what sort of quantities did you use? I've been growing cacti for 16 years and it was only 3 years ago that I proved to myself that it's possible to have a full blown experience with home-grown trichocereus pachanoi. Peyote is next on my list and a full blown experience is about 4 years away! Have you considered grafting as a way of increasing stock?
 
I've done it fresh mainly - about 45cm of peruvianus each time. It was reasonably strong at that dose, but not a full on psychadelic experience. It was like a clearer headed version of mushrooms, without any of the alienated or paranoid feeling that can sometimes creep into an acid or mushroom trip. It's a bit of a cliche, but I felt deeply connected to nature. My gf and I spent about 90mins watching a spider build a web. Enthralled! I also extracted some mescaline once, but shared it out amongst too many friends and only had threshold effects. :cry:

I have a close friend who has had a full visionary experience with a cactus brew, and it sounds incredible. I'm after the dose level he had when I finally get round to this peyote, but his was made for him when in peru, so he doesnt know the dose.

I have considered grafting, but the cacti are inconspicuous as they are - I'm not sure I want to draw attention to them! I might try it when I buy my own house one day and can have a private greenhouse full of goodies :lol:
 
1664 said:
how much does the caapi potentiate the experience?
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i just tried caapi plus cactus for the first time last week. i've also tried rue + cactus many times.
see my thread "mescaline ayahuasca" in the ayahuasca subforum if interested.
while i've never been blessed with a peyote experience, i can say that adding caapi (or rue) always roughly doubles the experience.
the doses for caapi depends not on grams but on how much it "gets you there."
for me the dose is 20-25 grams caapi. for others it's 50+ grams.
it may take some solo caapi trials first but find the dose where you are quite decently high from caapi alone (plus 1.5 or 2) though not so high that you are (overly) nauseous and dizzy (plus 3). 3 datura stramonium seeds should completely block the nausea from the caapi and peyote, while also pleasantly enhancing it by the way.
once you are smooth sailin' on the caapi, add about 1/2 the peyote you would normally take and they will eventually come together like nothing you've ever experienced!!!!
good luck, and please report!!!
 
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