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Phalaris hunt and extraction with EA

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Nachooo1

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Hi all, I am the user Nachooo, sadly forgot my password and cant recover it, but Endlessness kindly promote this new account and have privileges again.

I live in Spain, in the Ebro valley under the Pyrenees mountains, and in the center of that big valley there are some arid zones that have mediterranean climate and some continental zones are like the iranian steppes with similar plants.

I have been going to that zones to collect wild harmala seeds for years. This zone is full of them and together with the liberty caps that grow in the mountains 100 km to the north I was able to enjoy some kind of European psilohuasca. In that zone also grow three different ephedra species (nebrodensis, fragilis and dystachia)

But some time ago I found a very good botanical text for a local researcher that cited some locations for phalaris species. Aquatica, minor, brachystachys, canariensis, paradoxa and arundinacea. The text name some explicit locations near little villages in this kind of desert zone named Los Monegros, very well know in Spain. Of all those phalaris, brachystachys was according to the text the most common and it appear in a quite large number of locations.

As I have to properly identify them and there are lots of other similar grasses here, I had to wait until the flower deveoped so I waited until early may and designed a long route in that desert with a jeep to hunt for local wild phalaris.

Sadly this year has been affected by a big drought so grasses were less and much more little than usual.. but anyway I knew that as happens with mushrooms, if you find them in bad climate conditions, when good conditions appear in the same places there will be great numbers of them.

So I started the hunt and after a few hours of driving in dusty roads I started to find the phalaris, I know the species are very similar but I think they are brachystachys cause I went to the locations were apparently only brachystachys were identified. Here are some pics of the first ones I found..they were very dry and little due to the big drough, Located in the side of very dry wheat fields under extreme heat for this time of the year.

https://imgur.com/oFgEz9B

https://imgur.com/sF7wcm5

https://imgur.com/qyH8c0k

https://imgur.com/IIrs5pC

Due to this year heat, some of them were with developed seeds. I collected lots of them and a few leaves that were still green

After this initial findings I arrived to and old unused irrigation channel were the soil was deep and with much more humidty and I found lots of plants in better condition but still very mature

https://imgur.com/JOOFUIV

After collect some more leaves and seeds I keep my travel for a few kms and I found some Harmala plants flowering..it is so nice that the two plants grow in almost same location..

https://imgur.com/2C76N8x


When I was returning home I pass through some irrigated fields and to my delight there was hundreds of much more greener phalaris...similar species but with the water they were much more greener and less mature..althought in flower but yet without seed..so I picked lot of leaves and marked the place in my GPS

https://imgur.com/gU4Pf02


Back at home I decided to do some extractions..
Dried with a food dehydrator quickly at 70 C and I got 50 gr dry that I convert into very fine powder

I tried two approches..

I used 25 gr with a tek like Cyb´s hybrid with a defating step with naphta and then I put the solvent in the freezer waiting foe something to precipitate...but sadly I do not obtain any crystal...just some kind of very little product about 20 mg of this kind of green dust

https://imgur.com/zVTCZJT

Then I slowly evaporate the naphta to find what remains in there..

This time much more product was obtained..but was a green sticky goo..

https://imgur.com/OUI1ILd

The two procuct were tested with reagents..nothing conclusive probably due to impuruties.

SO well some kind dissapointed I tried a total different approach...using the HIELO tek developed by @Loveall and just decanting the water with the fridge rest instead usig drying chemicals and also using the CASEA approach. So the 25 gr that remained were extracted...

I was expecting some kind of honey like it happens with mimosa..but after three says I saw that there was no honey substance at the bottom..just tiny cristals..so I discard the EA, clean the crystals with new EA and recover the with hot destilled water to recrystallize..

To my surprise 100 mg of a very clean crystal substance with pink tones appeared

https://imgur.com/tGceUdM

Considering the plants were in full flowering mode...that was a 0,4% and they were wild phalaris..the result seems to me quite interesting and maybe extractions of these ones worth the while, specially in vegetative phase..

So I tested with some reagents...of all, Erlich and maybe Hoffman gave me some interesting result

Erlich: clearly a violet reaction

https://imgur.com/u78PtAh

Hoffman

https://imgur.com/4dXRPBy

Marquis

https://imgur.com/HDCFQHU

Mandelin

https://imgur.com/4yDMere

Mecke

https://imgur.com/i8L4k9Q

Well thats all...now what is need is courage to vaporize a few mgs of the results...

Hope you like the post
 
Well done 👌
That's phalaris minor in all your pictures. I'm 100% confident. No p. Minor has ever been recorded to contain more than DMT in trace amounts. Your yeild looks far above that.

I can't say much about your Tek as I never follow teks I just do standard acid base extractions and it works just fine for me with grass. You probably should first try a very tiny dose to test for toxicity but if the grass is just DMT a too low a dose will barely give any effects especially if smoked as infused herb (very inefficient) so I suggest you do the very low dose toxicity test and if you didn't perceive any I'll effects then you could up the dose. You didn't specify your method for smoking it but if you're going the infused herb route use minimal herb so you can take whatever your dose is in one hit.

I ruined a completely healthy clean DMT extract from brachystachys infusing it with tabacco rolled in a joint. Was very mild. This same method however worked for 5-meo-dmt dominant aquatica extracts very well.

There's inherent risk in these experiments and I hope that you've read the forewarnings from myself and other members who actually had experienced cardiotoxicity from certain strains.

Best of luck.
 
Most the time phalaris minor will prevail in farming soil or any irrigated soil. Brachystachys will prevail in unirrigated locations as it responds less favourably to higher humidity in soil than minor but it also resists drought much better than minor so you will find brachystachys in higher proportions than minor in drier locations.

If you want to spot brachystachys look out for heavy clay soils. These tips worked like a charm for me. It's reliable and consistent. I never seen brachystachys grow abundantly in any soils other than clay.

Also look out on the sides of roads while driving for phalaris panicles .. brachystachys growns commonly on road sides as it created drier conditions and wind from passing cars helps with pollination and spreading seeds. I found a large sea of brachystachys this way by spotting it on the road while driving.

I live in North Africa under same semi arid environment as southern Spain. I reckon a research paper from Spain on the distribution of phalaris minor and brachystachys as cereal crop weeds and their different preferences for soil and humidity. I'll look for it and attach it here.

All I am mentioning here was from that Spanish research paper. I found it very accurate.
 
Hi,thanks for the comments..phalaris minor has been cited also in that zone.. and maybe I have found it instead of Brachystachys..but I am still not sure ...Brachystachys flowers seems to be wider ..but I have seen pics that show more elongated ones..I have made pics of the seeds..but for me all the phalaris seeds seems similar..I bought Brachystachys seeds online and they look exactly the same than the ones that I collected..
Yes,,clay soils...all places I picked them were clay soils. And except the ones in the irrigation channel..all the others where in road sides too..but I think most phalaria like that..
Also brachystachis plants are know to reach one meter and lots of the plants I found were at least this aize..and minor seems to be shorter ..around 60-70 cms max...
Anyway I dont plan to mix them with haramalas or similar and wont go to the oral route..I probably weight about 5 mg initially and vaporize it with my convection splinter Z vape at around 200C and see what happens

this is a pic of the seeds I collected

https://imgur.com/3N66HAX

And this is a pic of brachystachis seeds fro aesklepius online seller..pretty similar

https://imgur.com/qghmVlG

And this last pic is a comparation between two flowers..one I collected in wild (left)..and the other is A P. aquatica (right) grow at home also from aesklepius provider,,but not brachys ..aquatica instead. Sorry about quality..

https://imgur.com/qEijeto
 
Sorry my friend but those seeds are definitely phalaris minor. You've been tricked. I spent years collecting and identifying phalaris species. I also grown them all next to each other and compared them at all stages of their growth. I can say with quiet a bit of confidence that all pictures you posted are of phalaris minor except for the last pic that's phalaris aquatica.

The only species that really resembles brachystachys is canariensis. Please check out my first post on the nexus I have attached pictures for easy identification of brachystachys and how to distinguish it from minor even when it's not flowering.

Phalaris minor is the one phalaris species with the most varied morphology. It can look like an aquatica or brachystachys easily. It can be short and fat and very convincingly looking like brachystachys until you check the seeds.
 
From left to right seeds are minor, brachystachys, paradoxa. You can see clearly that your seeds matches first seed in the pic.

Brachystachys should be thinner and longer than minor and is easily identified by the two infertile lemmas at the bottom of the seeds as in the picture.

If your extract proves to be safe and active you would be the first guy to ever report a successful bioassay with minor.
 

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Sidisheikh.mehriz said:
Sorry my friend but those seeds are definitely phalaris minor. You've been tricked. I spent years collecting and identifying phalaris species. I also grown them all next to each other and compared them at all stages of their growth. I can say with quiet a bit of confidence that all pictures you posted are of phalaris minor except for the last pic that's phalaris aquatica.

The only species that really resembles brachystachys is canariensis. Please check out my first post on the nexus I have attached pictures for easy identification of brachystachys and how to distinguish it from minor even when it's not flowering.

Phalaris minor is the one phalaris species with the most varied morphology. It can look like an aquatica or brachystachys easily. It can be short and fat and very convincingly looking like brachystachys until you check the seeds.
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Well I believed that the german provider was legit. If I remember more people in the forum got their phalaris seeds from them (think they are not in bussiness anymore though or at least their website is not working)
Anyway I had two pots full of plants from those "brachystachis" seeds from germany, so soon I will post here the flowers that will came from them.
After reading lot of info from spanish websites regarding phalaris minor and brachystachis..all I see is contradictory info...it seems that P.minor even reach 2 meter high in some conditions..as you said lot of variation in this specie..hope that it happens too with the actives,,,and the ones I picked have more than usual...
 
Don't follow entheogenic or gardening websites when it comes to phalaris. Read agronomic science literature for practical and accurate info.

I guarantee you that those seeds are minor my friend. Websites oriented towards profit just doesn't care. I think Chimpz made a post on fake phalaris seeds on ethnobatical websites.

Your best bet is phalaris brachystachys from wild or aquire an aquatica cultivar for commercial use as forage.
 
Sidisheikh.mehriz said:
Don't follow entheogenic or gardening websites when it comes to phalaris. Read agronomic science literature for practical and accurate info.

I guarantee you that those seeds are minor my friend. Websites oriented towards profit just doesn't care. I think Chimpz made a post on fake phalaris seeds on ethnobatical websites.
Your best bet is phalaris brachystachys from wild or aquire an aquatica cultivar for commercial use as forage.
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I agree that most ethonobotanical websites only want profit..specially those located in netherlands..sometimes I miss the old "Off The Jungle" mail catalogue long time ago..
Regarding that german website ..it was a well known seeds seller in Europe not specially entheogenic ones but who knows..
Believe me, all I have been reading in that spanish websites are apparently good science sources..like government institutions..university herbariums, etc etc.. examples:

Phalaris brachystachys Link

Global Biodiversity Information Facility. Free and Open Access to Biodiversity Data.
www.gbif.org www.gbif.org

There is a crazy amount of info from apparently good sources,,,but still in most parts is contradictory if you read them carefully
By the way I know Giorgio Samorini personally since lot of years ago...I should have ask him to send me his aquatica clone..but we have not talk in years..
Anyway I prefer to find brachystachis in the wild, I prefer to collect it, just all my growing space is occupy by the cactus..
Thanks for your attention and the info you provided.
 
In the first link you provided already you can see the thinner elongated form of brachystachys seed along with the two infertile lemmas at the base of the seed just like I mentioned in the previous post.

Also notice how the edge of brachystachys glume is smooth. In minor this top edge surface of the glume is teethed.

Grab a panicle from the grass your harvested and check the seed and glumes and you will see what I mean.

Here's another till tale for minor: the tip of new growth roots is usually red. Brachystachys never has red root tips. Aquatica has either no coloration or yellow colour at the root tips. So even when the grass isn't flowering you can still identify it. I took these identification tools from CSIRO an Australian agronomic institution that breeds and sell forage and crop cultivars. Again I found these identification tools pretty accurate. Never mistaken brachystachys for minor or aquatica ever since.

Even when minor was strikingly resembling brachystachys in panicle morphology I was still able to confirm its minor through seed and glumes. Even in the absence of panicles roots were still able to distinguish them from brachystachys. However a combination of these grass parts is what gives you 100% accuracy.
 

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Sidisheikh.mehriz said:
Un thé first link you provided already you can see the thinner elongated form of brachystachys seed along with the two infertile lemmas at the base of the seed just like I mentioned in the previous post.

Also notice how the edge of brachystachys flume is smooth. In minor this top edge surface of the glume is teethed.

Grab a panicle from the grass your harvested and check the seed and glumes and you will see what I mean.

Here's another till tale for minor: the tip of new growth roots is usually red. Brachystachys never has red root tips. Aquatica has either no coloration or yellow colour at the root tips. So even when the grass isn't flowering you can still identify it. I took these identification tools from CSIRO an Australian agronomic institution that breeds and sell forage and crop cultivars.
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Thanks for the tips..I saw that info but dispersed..I mean some say unique way of diferentition is the serration or not serration of glumes, others talk about red root tips.. Thanks for put all the info together.
 
Apparently Asklepios also fooled me! I thought I was a successful brachystachys cultivator, but no, just minor. Very obvious red rootlets in some plants.

Thank you, sidisheikh.

Now I wonder if brachystachys is commercially available at all.
 

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Apparently Asklepios also fooled me! I thought I was a successful brachystachys cultivator, but no, just minor. Very obvious red rootlets in some plants.

Thank you, sidisheikh.

Now I wonder if brachystachys is commercially available at all.
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It's available for sure and some members here had quiet some success with it. However I have yet to find a brachystachys strain with high enough tryptamine yeilds to persue for extractions or for Ayahuasca.
 
I did try it as seedlings then mod growth before flowering and while flowering. I tried two strains from two separate locations at least 80km away.

I'm not the only who reported low yeiled or mild effects from oral brachystachys. Fourtheripley did an extraction on brachystachys using over one kg if I remember correctly and end up with something like 40mg . Others had astonishly high yields from it like yourself and benzyme.

It's a matter of strain I guess and also time of season but to say that all brachystachys is active and it's just a matter of picking the right time of harvest I think this would be inaccurate.

Just like aquatica am sure brachystachys has certain potent strains and weak tryptamine strains.
Am glad this species of phalaris works for you but to this day it hasn't worked for me yet. Doesn't mean I'm giving up on it. I still had some success with it even though it was very low potency. I love the prospect of a clean alkaloid profile with brachystachys. It's like acuminate narrow leaf in acacias (clean DMT)
 
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