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Pharmahuasca - what MAOIs are there?
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* Isocarboxazid (Marplan)
* Moclobemide (Aurorix, Manerix, Moclodura)
* Phenelzine (Nardil)
* Tranylcypromine (Parnate contents 5 mg, Jatrosom contents 10 mg)
* Selegiline (Selegiline, Eldepryl), and Emsam, Zelapar
* Rasagiline (Azilect)
* Nialamide
* Iproniazid (Marsilid, Iprozid, Ipronid, Rivivol, Propilniazida)
* Iproclozide
* Toloxatone
* Linezolid (Zyvox, Zyvoxid), an antibiotic of the oxazolidinone family, is a reversible, nonselective MAOI which has been known to induce serotonin syndrome post SSRI ingestion. Zyvox requires the same dietary precautions as other MAOI's
* Many tryptamines have MAOI properties. Harmine (present in Harmal, Banisteriopsis caapi, and tobacco) is a powerful MAOI, which is often used as one of the ingredients of ayahuasca. Certain synthetic tryptamines such as AMT, 5-MeO-DMT or 5-MeO-AMT produce only minor MAO inhibition. The phenethylamine derivatives substituted with a sulfur at the 4-position, such as 2C-T-7 are quite potent MAO-A inhibitors,[5] which makes them potentially dangerous when taken in large doses, or when combined with stimulants such as ephedrine or MDMA. Some deaths have occurred from such combinations.
* Dienolide kavapyrone desmethoxyyangonin (MAO-B inhibitor)[6]
* Dextroamphetamine [2]
* Methylene blue
which ones are good?
* Moclobemide (Aurorix, Manerix, Moclodura)
* Phenelzine (Nardil)
* Tranylcypromine (Parnate contents 5 mg, Jatrosom contents 10 mg)
* Selegiline (Selegiline, Eldepryl), and Emsam, Zelapar
* Rasagiline (Azilect)
* Nialamide
* Iproniazid (Marsilid, Iprozid, Ipronid, Rivivol, Propilniazida)
* Iproclozide
* Toloxatone
* Linezolid (Zyvox, Zyvoxid), an antibiotic of the oxazolidinone family, is a reversible, nonselective MAOI which has been known to induce serotonin syndrome post SSRI ingestion. Zyvox requires the same dietary precautions as other MAOI's
* Many tryptamines have MAOI properties. Harmine (present in Harmal, Banisteriopsis caapi, and tobacco) is a powerful MAOI, which is often used as one of the ingredients of ayahuasca. Certain synthetic tryptamines such as AMT, 5-MeO-DMT or 5-MeO-AMT produce only minor MAO inhibition. The phenethylamine derivatives substituted with a sulfur at the 4-position, such as 2C-T-7 are quite potent MAO-A inhibitors,[5] which makes them potentially dangerous when taken in large doses, or when combined with stimulants such as ephedrine or MDMA. Some deaths have occurred from such combinations.
* Dienolide kavapyrone desmethoxyyangonin (MAO-B inhibitor)[6]
* Dextroamphetamine [2]
* Methylene blue
which ones are good?
why not stick to the tried and tested ones: caapi and syrian rue
im sure you can buy on stores or over the internet basically everywhere in the world, legally..
dont go the pharmaceutical way.. first of all you´ll be giving money to pharmaceutical industries, and also we just dont know the long term effect of these substances.. With rue and caapi, on the other hand, there is documented use for thousands of years and they are known to be pretty safe physically
just dont be taking anti depressants if you decide to take any form of MAOI.. Food interaction with rue and caapi is minimum to inexistent (though still out of respect for the substance and for your body, dont go eating too much heavy industrialized overripe whatever food just before or after tripping)
im sure you can buy on stores or over the internet basically everywhere in the world, legally..
dont go the pharmaceutical way.. first of all you´ll be giving money to pharmaceutical industries, and also we just dont know the long term effect of these substances.. With rue and caapi, on the other hand, there is documented use for thousands of years and they are known to be pretty safe physically
just dont be taking anti depressants if you decide to take any form of MAOI.. Food interaction with rue and caapi is minimum to inexistent (though still out of respect for the substance and for your body, dont go eating too much heavy industrialized overripe whatever food just before or after tripping)
well a freidn bought somewhere 1gram of 10x caapi extact.. is that good?
or in a different way: how and how much can/should i use of these two?? and when. prefer no stomach problems and stuff put in capsules, maybe a glass ob tea that doesnt taste like complete ass.. but nothing worse than that.. any recommendations?
or in a different way: how and how much can/should i use of these two?? and when. prefer no stomach problems and stuff put in capsules, maybe a glass ob tea that doesnt taste like complete ass.. but nothing worse than that.. any recommendations?
outrider said:
boil 3g of rue (a normal dose) with a bit of white vinegar (or glacial acetic acid) for 20 mins, filter the liquid and keep, put the solid again in the pot with more water and vinegar, repeat once more for a total of 3x.. Then throw away the solids, boil down the liquid to small amount (like, say, 70ml ).. Then mix with bit of honey..
half an hour before you drink it, make some strong ginger tea and drink (helps diminishing nausea)..
then drink it without breathing through the nose so you dont feel too much of the taste.. and thats it, I dont find it too bad.
A single gram of 10x caapi extract is unlikely to be of much use. Typically at least 30 grams of caapi are used in an ayahuasca brew.
^ Many people can't stomach the taste or don't have the time to commit to an all day brewing process. I think it is part of the healing process that Aya provides, however, there are certianly reasons one would want to go the pharma route.
The best suggestion I can give is to extract rue yourself, boil down some caapi brew to a powder, or go online and get almost pure harmine/harmaline/and-or THH.
I would completely stay away from all pharma MAOI's except Moclobemide, as they are all permenant MAO A+B inhibitors. This means that they bind to the MAOs in your body and don't let go. Your body needs a couple of weeks to build up new MAO's. Food restrictions DO apply to pharma MAOI's (except moclobemide which is a temp MAOI). Natural beta-carbolines are much safer and cost effective.
Caapi does provide the best experience IMHO.
From reports Caapi extracts do not give quite the same feeling as a caapi brew. The x10 is a little misleading. It does not mean 10X the stregnth of the caapi vine they extracted, but means it took 10grams of caapi to make 1gram of extract. Some alkaloids are lost in this process and it is very rare to get an extract that is actually 10x the stregnth as the original material.
It is cheaper to buy your own caapi, make a brew, and carefully reduce to a powder. This gives you 100% (or close to it) of the alkaloids that were in the brew and you aren't paying for the labor and materials for the extract.
The best suggestion I can give is to extract rue yourself, boil down some caapi brew to a powder, or go online and get almost pure harmine/harmaline/and-or THH.
I would completely stay away from all pharma MAOI's except Moclobemide, as they are all permenant MAO A+B inhibitors. This means that they bind to the MAOs in your body and don't let go. Your body needs a couple of weeks to build up new MAO's. Food restrictions DO apply to pharma MAOI's (except moclobemide which is a temp MAOI). Natural beta-carbolines are much safer and cost effective.
Caapi does provide the best experience IMHO.
From reports Caapi extracts do not give quite the same feeling as a caapi brew. The x10 is a little misleading. It does not mean 10X the stregnth of the caapi vine they extracted, but means it took 10grams of caapi to make 1gram of extract. Some alkaloids are lost in this process and it is very rare to get an extract that is actually 10x the stregnth as the original material.
It is cheaper to buy your own caapi, make a brew, and carefully reduce to a powder. This gives you 100% (or close to it) of the alkaloids that were in the brew and you aren't paying for the labor and materials for the extract.
'Coatl
Teotzlcoatl
Good post, go with pure THH, harmine and harmala + DMT, or just go with the real deal... do Ayahuasca.
So people know this real traditional Ayahuasca always contains Caapi and at least one of the two following ingredients- Psychotria and/or Diplopterys.
Anything esle is NOT real Ayahuasca, it may be DMT + MAOI, but it's NOT real Ayahuasca.