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MisterGypsy

MisterGypsy

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So, this first post is pretty much a bookmark. However, soon I will dream that I will be consuming:

+0:00-Tea from 3g Syrian Rue, prepared by boiling 2x and reduced to a shot.
+0:30-Capsule with 100mg DMT freebase
-1 T of Cacao powder made into chocolate frosting (supposedly enhances the effects)

Please take a moment to think a blessing, if you will.
 
+0:00-Tea from 3g Syrian Rue, prepared by boiling 2x and reduced to a shot.
+0:30-Capsule with 100mg DMT freebase
-1 T of Cacao powder made into chocolate frosting (supposedly enhances the effects)
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Sounds to me this could be an over the top experience. 100 mg dmt is more than a regular ayahuasca drink. With cacao, this can potentially be as strong as 500 mg dmt...Hope all goes well :)
 
SWIM has been experimenting with cacao with THH..and be careful with the dosing..because it is fairly stimulating..and you will probably be up for a very long time
 
Does it make a difference when the cocao is taken?

The reason I'm asking is because SWIM can't stomach chocolate candy during the peak of a pharmahuasca trip, but he never tried it at the onset.
 
i heard that its best to take it with the MAOI..and then wait something like 15-30 minutes to take the dmt..
 
69ron said:
Does it make a difference when the cocao is taken?

The reason I'm asking is because SWIM can't stomach chocolate candy during the peak of a pharmahuasca trip, but he never tried it at the onset.
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Don't really know if it makes a difference. Most that have tried it has usually taken it together with the maoi, and then taken the dmt later on, perhaps 20-30 minutes later.

About nausea. For me it is a positive thing, in that I feel it is actually bringing something up to be removed. Not all kinds of nausea, but I can feel the difference between taste/stomach nausea, and nausea that comes from cleansing. It got a distinct feeling to it. The latter is often much shorter in duration, while the taste/stomach nausea is something that lingers for much longer.
 
Dagger said:
Sounds to me this could be an over the top experience. 100 mg dmt is more than a regular ayahuasca drink. With cacao, this can potentially be as strong as 500 mg dmt...Hope all goes well
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I hope all goes well for him too.

500mgs dmt is way over the top for me, and I need a lot more than some.

The published amount of DMT in aya is not quite accurate. If I remember correctly they did not take into account the DMT N-Oxide in the brew (or any other actives that might synergize with DMT). DMT N-Oxide sometimes makes up a majority of the DMT in the leaf (Chali or Chacruna). Even if not in the leaf, the act of brewing aya will cause some dmt to convert. I have always thought their numbers were really low.

100mg does almost nothing to me no matter what MAOI or how much I ingest (incl large caapi brews).. oral dmt dosages vary so much between different people (not to mention times of day, what was eaten the past week, etc)

Combined With the cacao though, I have no idea...I've never combined the two.
 
4:15 a.m. 12/17/08

+0:00 - Diet Mountain Dew with shot of syrian rue tea. Tastes like vomit. Next time, remember to buy more mixers.
+o:05 - MAOI effects felt. Clean, alert high. Swimmy-ness and slight intensification of muscle soreness.
+0:15 - Rue reality has 'set in,' operation is controlled with little dyspesia.
+0:25 - Have been meditating for past 10 min. Felt as young as 18 again. A slight nausea has crept in but is quite under control. 5 minutes until blastoff. I say another short prayer for healing visions.
+0:30 - Dose taken with Diet MD 1.5 T (6 g) cacao powder pudding eaten with sunflower seeds. (powder, T of oil, scoop of pb, mixed well)
+0:45 - My trip-sitting friend, A, sober, is telling me about Conway's Game of Life, whose patterns of alternating white and black tiles can be made into cellular machines with 100,000s of tiles. 1000 simple generations = 1 complex generation
+0:50 - The 'Light' is back...
+1:10 - First *burp*
+1:30 -
+2:00 - thoughts become fried fish patties and horseradish sauce

Soon after, I puked and it was relieving. I forgot to write notes subsequently. I had some interesting CEVs, but my OEVs were mostly rubbery tracers and color intensification. The trip, thus, was profoundly visual, but that could be because A and I spent a good deal of time talking philosophy. It did, however, have a very distinct feel of existential journey, meaning it is all for something, but not on the level of my simple ego. A also recorded our convo, so I could put that up too if someone was interested.

Overall, I didn't feel like the cacao powder added much punch, though I felt more warm and there was no chilly come-up. I'll have to perhaps try it again, taking the powder with the rue.

Also, A, a meditator and fairly sober guy, felt as if I gave him a contact trip. He may have been loopy a bit from 5 1/2 hours of meditation previously, though.
 
MisterGypsy said:
though I felt more warm and there was no chilly come-up.
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That’s from the vasodilation effects of the theobromine in the cocoa. It brings more blood to your extremities effectively getting rid of the chilly come-up. It does the same for HBWR, although SWIM prefers kola nut for that purpose (kola nut has more theobromine than cocoa does).
 
I'd also like to mention that while why journey wasn't a particularly visual one, I had a most introspective day after. I was really blind to alot of bad actions by me that now I should make up for.
 
These experiences do make one look at life differently. SWIM was very humbled in a DMT smoked experience he had a couple of days ago. Learned not always to have expectations about how life should be, and keep an open mind for new possibilities. Staying teachable, willing to learn is always good.
 
Overall, I didn't feel like the cacao powder added much punch, though I felt more warm and there was no chilly come-up. I'll have to perhaps try it again, taking the powder with the rue.
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Yes, next time try it with the rue, might make a difference.
 
Dagger said:
Overall, I didn't feel like the cacao powder added much punch, though I felt more warm and there was no chilly come-up. I'll have to perhaps try it again, taking the powder with the rue.
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Yes, next time try it with the rue, might make a difference.
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Can you comment from experience?
 
well it looks like you took the Cacao before the maoi..and part of the reason this works is because something isnt being activated unless you have an maoi in your system..so do the cacao and rue at the same time
 
MisterGypsy said:
Can you comment from experience?
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SWIMs girlfriend uses it. She took cacao at the same time as the maoi, then took the dmt 20 minutes later. This potentiated the experience by 4-6 times for her. All the others that have tried it has experienced a potentiation to a varying degree. From 1.5 to 6 times.

What source was your cacao from? Was it just regular cacao that you make cacao drinks from? That might not work. To much processed. Get raw cacao if you don't already have it. Also, did you experience any other effects, such as those mentioned by jorkest? Alertness, difficulty sleeping, relaxed etc.

Need more data points to find more out about this, so please people, continue experimenting :)
 
I used Nestle's Tollhouse brand. I find it difficult to believe even a delay in 30 minutes would produce less effects by the cacao, but I most certainly try it that way. I'll look into some raw cacao too, if you really think it'd make a difference. I'm a health nut anyway, so should be tasty anyway.
 
MisterGypsy said:
I used Nestle's Tollhouse brand. I find it difficult to believe even a delay in 30 minutes would produce less effects by the cacao, but I most certainly try it that way. I'll look into some raw cacao too, if you really think it'd make a difference. I'm a health nut anyway, so should be tasty anyway.
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I don't know if 30 minutes would make a difference or not. I see you have used rue, while the ones experiencing potentiation have all used caapi. Rue would probably work, but I don't know for sure. Nestle's Tollhouse brand seems like it should work well. Is it the baking powder?
 
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