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[PIC] Can you help me identify this beautiful waxy stuff?

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stevowitz

stevowitz

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did a pull on:
1 gal jug with basified solution(1 mnth old)
1 gal jug with basified solution(1 week old)
1 gal of fresh basified solution(only one previous pull)

combined these into one.

the VM+P Naptha was very yellow so evaporated down to near nothing and set into freezer for an hr.

what resulted(after drying) was the orangy waxy stuff you now see. Is this Jim-Jam? or Oxide?

thank you ahead of time!
 
Its not possible to identify from a picture, all we see is yellow. I would guess just dmt + plant oils/impurities. Jimjam is anyways mostly plant dmt + oils/fatty acids, according to burn's analysis. The only other interesting possibly active alkaloid is 2-MTHBC which nobody knows if its active, but its only in very very small quantities and unlikely will be active at such minute doses. But even if it was active, according to it's xlogp it is most likely (or for sure, but I dont know for certain) NOT soluble in naphtha, so you wouldnt get it in your product.

There may be some n-oxide there formed during the reduction, but to be honest when people claim n-oxide its just pure guess, there hasnt been AFAIK chemical analysis to support those guesses. I would think there isnt any or very little there, because naphtha shouldnt pull it in the first place.

Even using hydrogen peroxide to purposely oxidize dmt might just oxidize a part of it and still leave a significant quantity of dmt (as bufoman seems to think). Also considering dmt n-oxide should be a full oil, even if there was some in your product, it will be a small quantity since one can see its quite "solid".

Personally whatever it is, I would redissolve in ethanol/IPA/acetone and re-evap again to get rid of solvent traces.

Also check this thread if you didnt yet, might be of interest.

Regardless of what it is or isnt, good luck and hope you have wonderful launches :D
 
Looks like very greasy spice to me. I'd clean that up as oils can be quite abrassive on the throat, particularly if your smoking method doesn't completely isolate the flame from the spice.

Also I don't think that DMT n-oxide is as common in bark as people are led to believe. It's fairly obvious that there has been a mass surge in people purchasing MHRB so retailers are getting a very quick turnaround and the bark is not left sitting around too long.

When I did an extraction a couple of years back I'd pull around 1g per 100g using naphtha and then pull a further 1g with xylene that was converted to fumarates. These days I'm getting more out with the naphtha pulls and the stronger solvent pulls afterwards are yielding very little. I think this is why many are reporting 2% yields more frequently.
 
Thank you everyone for the replies!
Left it over night and the consistency hasn't changed at all, still kinda "wet" looking.
when sniffed it smells like flowers. no bad lye smells.
I believe cleaning it up once will be the next step.
once again, thank you :]
 
DiMiTriX said:
my lye doesn't smell..lol are you speaking of lye-bark solution?
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yes. The "fishy" smell. hehe

UPDATE: Re-dissolved in a minimal amount of naptha and heated/shook in a vial. poured out to evap.
Resulted in pretty much the same consistency/color so I am assuming there's nothing un-smokable in there now. gonna let it dry out completely(if it does) and try it out this week :]
 
yeah.it's really fishy algal smell :lol:

my advice is to dissolve in a lot of naphta,put in a flat wide plate and put in the freezer,the spice,also it's a small quantity,will separate from the goo so maybe you could recover it by hand and maybe than recristallyze it..swim will do that too with some waxy yellow stuff,it works
 
or why not recrystallize half of that and bioassay separately (ideally in a blind test) ?

as I already said, I definitely recommend whatever way you do, that you redissolve it in a less toxic solvent like pure ethanol/ipa/acetone and re-evap it, because you are bound to have naphtha traces trapped inside that wax even if you let it air dry for long.
 
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