gonna keep this brief yall... called back through (nexus enlightened me 15+yrs ago) for a little info as my feedstock has changed (mhrb->acuminata) ... yall have been busy with some interesting stuff.
befor my main post, a few small things...
1)
Benzoate salt, eh? i will definitely explore that soon.
2) Let us consider DMT-Oxide -> N,N, DMT conversion... some state that upon smoking/pyrolysis, the oxide reverts back.
if this were so, wheres all the conversion teks that are described to the effect of "dmt -oxide convert... without acetic or zinc"
this aligns with my first hand observations
3) Oxidation occurs at a temp. dependent rate. I have had a 2L funnel, shellite dropping yellow globs slowly, even after drain the last of said globs, thinking that the newly forming stuff was just a result of agitating too vigorously.... until after 10 + "little bit more appears" my brain has clicked to the fact that a photon of light is hittng my already too energetic molecules (due to too much heat) and forming the oxide raipdly.
yall can confirm this readily, ofc.
4) Dcm forms the oxide slowly.... when not heated...
if used heated, and the solute is concentrated enough, the conversion from dmt-dmt-oxide can be very rapid...
5) concerning 4, chloroform is not suitable substitute, without also modifying your tek.
the action of alkali on trichloromethane is well known in organic chem labs.
"
Chloroform will react with sodium hydroxide to yield the intermediary dichlorocarbene, sodium chloride and water.
HCCl3 + NaOH → CCl2 + NaCl + H2O
Dichlorocarbene is unstable in these conditions and will react with additional sodium hydroxide to yield potentially useful sodium formate in a process which is best aided by a phase transfer catalyst such as ethanol:
CCl2 + 3 NaOH → HCOONa + 2 NaCl + H2O
"
- Chloroform - Sciencemadness Wiki (retrieved 16 August,2024)
So, before I post the experimntal procedure im gonna use, i will state the goal is two-fold...
1. converting any dmt-oxide at a point that is strategically advantagous during...
2. Extraction of bulk mateials in a way that allows for maximum efficency with regard to solvent/labour use.
this proposal is inspired by the work done in FASA teks and others here, along with my research/experience with other phytochemical mixture extractions/separations...
(
proposed tek post here soon... but in short...
1 use xylene and dilute alkali to extract freebasees and oxide, preferably without a need to use lengthy simmering processes... unheated soaking would be less objectionable
2 shake xylene with a small quantity of acidified water to move goods to aquous layer.... acetic works here, i hope, because....
3 now we can use zinc dust and stirring to preemptively convert any oxides present back to nn,dmt
4 shellite extractions after basify, for the selective xtraction and freeze precip of goods.
5 wash xylene with water a few times, then use cacl to dry before reuse
)
befor my main post, a few small things...
1)
Benzoate salt, eh? i will definitely explore that soon.
2) Let us consider DMT-Oxide -> N,N, DMT conversion... some state that upon smoking/pyrolysis, the oxide reverts back.
if this were so, wheres all the conversion teks that are described to the effect of "dmt -oxide convert... without acetic or zinc"
this aligns with my first hand observations
3) Oxidation occurs at a temp. dependent rate. I have had a 2L funnel, shellite dropping yellow globs slowly, even after drain the last of said globs, thinking that the newly forming stuff was just a result of agitating too vigorously.... until after 10 + "little bit more appears" my brain has clicked to the fact that a photon of light is hittng my already too energetic molecules (due to too much heat) and forming the oxide raipdly.
yall can confirm this readily, ofc.
4) Dcm forms the oxide slowly.... when not heated...
if used heated, and the solute is concentrated enough, the conversion from dmt-dmt-oxide can be very rapid...
5) concerning 4, chloroform is not suitable substitute, without also modifying your tek.
the action of alkali on trichloromethane is well known in organic chem labs.
"
Chloroform will react with sodium hydroxide to yield the intermediary dichlorocarbene, sodium chloride and water.
HCCl3 + NaOH → CCl2 + NaCl + H2O
Dichlorocarbene is unstable in these conditions and will react with additional sodium hydroxide to yield potentially useful sodium formate in a process which is best aided by a phase transfer catalyst such as ethanol:
CCl2 + 3 NaOH → HCOONa + 2 NaCl + H2O
"
- Chloroform - Sciencemadness Wiki (retrieved 16 August,2024)
So, before I post the experimntal procedure im gonna use, i will state the goal is two-fold...
1. converting any dmt-oxide at a point that is strategically advantagous during...
2. Extraction of bulk mateials in a way that allows for maximum efficency with regard to solvent/labour use.
this proposal is inspired by the work done in FASA teks and others here, along with my research/experience with other phytochemical mixture extractions/separations...
(
proposed tek post here soon... but in short...
1 use xylene and dilute alkali to extract freebasees and oxide, preferably without a need to use lengthy simmering processes... unheated soaking would be less objectionable
2 shake xylene with a small quantity of acidified water to move goods to aquous layer.... acetic works here, i hope, because....
3 now we can use zinc dust and stirring to preemptively convert any oxides present back to nn,dmt
4 shellite extractions after basify, for the selective xtraction and freeze precip of goods.
5 wash xylene with water a few times, then use cacl to dry before reuse
)
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