mikeAtHome
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When you look at the yields folks seem to be getting here for MHRB and compare them to scholarly research done by DMT Nexus and the outside world, the numbers look pretty good. That’s going strictly by weight. While it may be impossible to give an exact number on the %DMT contained in a typical extraction, I think there’s at least some evidence that it is clean. A thread here on DMT Nexus Recent EEG research on effects of smoked nn-DMT…, uses DMT extracted from MH. They found that it took 20-30mg to attain an “effective psychedelic experience”. That’s in line with what I’ve read around here. I’m making the assumption that the researchers used decent hardware and technique when performing their extraction although that data was not provided.
So we have every reason to believe that both the DMT Nexus tek and the members executing it work fine. Yet I keep coming across what to me appears as a huge disconnect. More experienced members probably know the answer to this but I sure couldn’t figure it out. Here’s what it is:
Nexus tek always (don’t shoot me if there’s an exception) basifies the plant matter.
And by “the rest of the world” I mean all the references I could find concerning commercial processing of plant matter for the purpose of alkaloid extraction. What got me going was a Reddit question that a lot of pros responded to (some giving references). That “thread” might still be there:
Can anyone help me in finding any appropriate method for alkaloid extraction?. There are also a couple of more serious sites that discuss the topic like General Methods of Extraction and Isolation of Alkaloids (a science/pharma site) and Extraction (Part 1) (that's from UCLA, I could never find Part 2). There are books like: “PHARMACOPOEIAL AND RELATED DRUGS OF BIOLOGICAL ORIGIN” (Evans, 978-0-7020-2933-2) that discusses alkaloids beginning in chapter 26, their history and methods of extraction. There’s a ton of research that has been published. Some of it on extractions and a fair amount of fun reading which sometimes does provide the methodology used for extraction: “Isolation and Identification of Putative Hallucinogenic Constituents from the Roots of Mimosa ophthalmocentra” (L.M. Batista et al.) published in Pharmaceutical Biology, 1999, Vol. 37, No. 1. pp. 50-53. The PDF is out there on the web if you’re interested.
I could go on. I’m not concerned/disturbed about it and I’m certainly not saying there’s any problem with DMT Nexus tek. It’s just weird. And it's kinda nice to be a little different...
The Wikipedia entry for Alkaloids does mention that alkaloids may be extracted by processing the plant material "with alkaline solutions" etc. Strangely enough, that's the only part in the section, "Extraction" that is not footnoted.
So we have every reason to believe that both the DMT Nexus tek and the members executing it work fine. Yet I keep coming across what to me appears as a huge disconnect. More experienced members probably know the answer to this but I sure couldn’t figure it out. Here’s what it is:
Nexus tek always (don’t shoot me if there’s an exception) basifies the plant matter.
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The rest of the world uses polar solvents to extract, then basifies the extract (after having removed all plant matter) and proceeds from there using one of several methods to obtain alkaloids in FB form.And by “the rest of the world” I mean all the references I could find concerning commercial processing of plant matter for the purpose of alkaloid extraction. What got me going was a Reddit question that a lot of pros responded to (some giving references). That “thread” might still be there:
Can anyone help me in finding any appropriate method for alkaloid extraction?. There are also a couple of more serious sites that discuss the topic like General Methods of Extraction and Isolation of Alkaloids (a science/pharma site) and Extraction (Part 1) (that's from UCLA, I could never find Part 2). There are books like: “PHARMACOPOEIAL AND RELATED DRUGS OF BIOLOGICAL ORIGIN” (Evans, 978-0-7020-2933-2) that discusses alkaloids beginning in chapter 26, their history and methods of extraction. There’s a ton of research that has been published. Some of it on extractions and a fair amount of fun reading which sometimes does provide the methodology used for extraction: “Isolation and Identification of Putative Hallucinogenic Constituents from the Roots of Mimosa ophthalmocentra” (L.M. Batista et al.) published in Pharmaceutical Biology, 1999, Vol. 37, No. 1. pp. 50-53. The PDF is out there on the web if you’re interested.
I could go on. I’m not concerned/disturbed about it and I’m certainly not saying there’s any problem with DMT Nexus tek. It’s just weird. And it's kinda nice to be a little different...
The Wikipedia entry for Alkaloids does mention that alkaloids may be extracted by processing the plant material "with alkaline solutions" etc. Strangely enough, that's the only part in the section, "Extraction" that is not footnoted.