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benitoamanito

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So how bout not using any naphtha / petroleum solvents??

Here we go,

what i technically, swim made a basified solution of bark whathaveyou, shook lightly for days, filered bark mush, then saturated with acid such as citric acid, shok for a few days, filtered that, then just let the filtered acids dry.. would this dry into spice salts?

im wondering if theres a way to do this without a NP solvent made from petroleum, and without limonene... something safer

and Im not worried about purity, I just want something to smoke


we could ty the other way around...

acidify bark powder, shake a few days, maybe heat a little bit to cause salts to bind,
filter
basify salted acid solution...
then just let dry..?

will this work.

maybe add water somewhere along the line to wash away some excess stuff..?
 
"im wondering if theres a way to do this without a NP solvent made from petroleum, and without limonene... something safer"

Limonine is food safe..it's even good for you.
 
yea i know about limonene.. anyways

im just trying to think of like, how something was made in the ancient of days you no...
hmm
maybe a few more saturations of the product would work, like just repeat the process a few times.. ?

and im not worried about like crystals really, might not even smoke it, it could just be a good spice to use with an MAOI.. whoooo noooes

also, i found a beta carboline containing plant in my area.. is there a way to extract said maoi's? thanks.
 
and they probably did turn the copper into a nice looking gold colour, but not actually change the structure to AU gold na mean??
anyway

that was the whole point of filtering I guess like

if i basified itand filtered it, then washed what was left to get rid of the "lye crystals" and then acidified that, and filtered, would the acid dry into a significant spice?

and seriously, dont doubt the ancients, who started alchemy.. basic elements work just as fine as anything else if not better..............
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well before the mass spec was invented, people also thought the world was flat.
this was also a time where people inadvertently poisoned themselves because they didn't know any better; so i'd advise
against taking alchemy too seriously


and you will still not be able to separate the spice like that.
just use a nonpolar solvent, or don't
but you will not get successful results without one, if doing STB or A/B.
 
ok scrap succesfful results, will it actually come out as a usuable spice? like if i have a lot maoi in me, and then ingest this "extract" will it work?? all i want to know.
 
if you want to ingest it that way why not just brew a large mimosa tea, reduce it and store it in the freezer that way?..you can reduce it so that all you need is like 1/4 shot for each dose..

Why not just take the time and learn a real extraction?..you dont want to be in a hurry when it comes to DMT..
 
This will not work. If SWIY wants to extract without an NPS, boil in acidified water, strain, and simmer until all the water is gone. That's the closest SWIY is going to come without a full-fledged extraction. The reason for using an NPS is that freebase DMT is soluble in it, while most of the other crap (to include bases like lye) is not.
 
ok so if swim does that, will it be smokeable by itself? or no?

i just wonder how people made spice without all these solvents and stuff in the old times..
how did the ELVES do it? =d
 
Mix the resin with powdered shells or lime, mix into a paste with water, dry. SWIM's not so sure anyone smoked DMT in the "old times," except possibly in the case of yopo or certain naturally occurring resins, but they wouldn't extract from them. They certainly didn't use lye.
 
no you wont be able to gey real effects smoking it..for one thing it would need to be based..and there would be so much other crap extracted along with it you wont be able to smoke enough at once to blast off..and your lungs will hurt like hell if you try..

"i just wonder how people made spice without all these solvents and stuff in the old times.."
well they synthed it..or they did complex extractions with tolune I think on chacruna before mimosa was popular..but mostly it was synthed..that's about as old times as it gets.

DMT was not smoked by native peoples becasue they did not have the ability to do these teks..they snuffed large ammounts of tree sap/resin containing 5meo DMT and snuffs made from anadenanthera seeds containing high level of bufotenine..the only methylated tryptamine they smoked I know of was bufotenine becasue the yopoa and vilca seeds are potent enough and you dont have to smoke it all in 1-3 hits quickly like DMT..

DMT was drank in ayahuasca..

If you want to smoke DMT do a proper tek...use the tek you posted and you will just create a huge roadblock on your way to hyperspace. An alchemist would be patient and do what works.
 
your forgetting of the elves.. how did they make spice?? lol you guys think science invented everything..

how bout common sense??

wow that bark lookg tight, its magic

oooh this lemon in my hand makes stuff get sour, it can probably.. oh i know, ill crush up bark, squeeze this lemon on it, mix it up, maybe that will break it down somehow... hmmm

and then ill strain it.. yesss, because i dont want bark in my mouth...

*drinks lemon bark juice*

eywww too sour.. oooohhhh but theres some salty wata in this here stream over heyrrr... hmmmz maybe ....

*adds little bit of salty water to lemn juice mixture*

ahhh much better, now its not soo tangy and souuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu *STARTS TRIPPIN*

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I have a theory that a few cultures were soaking root barks//various plant sources in alcohol and evaporating them after filtering, basing them to smoke.
 
Huh?

As far as I know the elves never extracted and smoked dmt freebase. Are you sure you are not confusing the extraction with the "Story of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs? How is this advanced chemistry....Huh? Sorry Im confused:roll: ..

Hey benzyme
Nice avatar change! what ya got there looks like a nice TURBO PUMP? Yeah I need a job! need any high tek assembly work?
I also rebuild cryogenic pumps to original spects.


Peace
MV
 
benitoamanito said:
your forgetting of the elves.. how did they make spice?? lol you guys think science invented everything..

how bout common sense??

wow that bark lookg tight, its magic

oooh this lemon in my hand makes stuff get sour, it can probably.. oh i know, ill crush up bark, squeeze this lemon on it, mix it up, maybe that will break it down somehow... hmmm

and then ill strain it.. yesss, because i dont want bark in my mouth...

*drinks lemon bark juice*

eywww too sour.. oooohhhh but theres some salty wata in this here stream over heyrrr... hmmmz maybe ....

*adds little bit of salty water to lemn juice mixture*

ahhh much better, now its not soo tangy and souuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu *STARTS TRIPPIN*

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What does that have to do with vaping it?
We already know native peoples drink it in aya...
 
۩ said:
I have a theory that a few cultures were soaking root barks//various plant sources in alcohol and evaporating them after filtering, basing them to smoke.
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Boil the bark powder in acidic water, 3 times..filter, reduce and evap completely to a crystaly shiny dark purple stuff..scrape and grind it up..base it with sodium carb and water..let it sit. then do iso pulls on this and filter them really well..and get an eye dropper becasue stuff with precip out after it sits for a bit and you can move the solution to another dish and leave the crap behind..

That will give you some hard red jungly stuff that is strong enough for a breakthrough but still it's impure..I dont know how pure it is but its not sticky or oily, it was like hard waxy stuff..that was the first tek I tried on mimosa.


Also after you base the purple powder you scrape up..when you do the iso tincture..the iso should NOT be purple or red..it should be slightly cloudy and with a yellow tint..it only goes red when it is almost fully evapped.
 
The closest you're going to get with these parameters is to exaustively simmer your bark in a vinegar solution until you have all your goodies, then filter, then leave it in a fridge for a week so all the fine particles clump together, then filter again, then maybe repeat that step then do a slow evap of the water then basify by making into a paste with equal amount of sodium carbonate. Certainly far from advanced chemistry :)

It's going to be quite frustrating if it doesn't work after all that though.

Try yopo instead. Or conquer the fear of solvents :)
 
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