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Possible to make a strong harmala changa that actually works?

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Vape around 20-30mg of harmalas then you can start vaping spice. No need to waste so much harmalas IMO.

Or you can put around 20mg of harmalas under your tongue , wait 20 minutes and vape spice.
 
No need to take so much harmalas orally like others have said here. Sublingual is more efficient but if I were you I would get some 99% IPA and just infuse the harmalas and dmt together on some smoking herbs or even parsley. Smoking harmalas is my favorite. It feels more even than sunblingual or oral.
 
behindthelight said:
olympus mon said:
No need to take so much harmalas orally like others have said here. Sublingual is more efficient but if I were you I would get some 99% IPA and just infuse the harmalas and dmt together on some smoking herbs or even parsley. Smoking harmalas is my favorite. It feels more even than sunblingual or oral.

The only thing about that is I think if you do it before the spice and let it "kick in", the spice hit will be better. I could be wrong.
You can vape the harmalas before the spice if you feel better about that but the harmalas kick in so fast its fine to smoke them all together. I like to take a hit of changa and let it sit in me for 30 seconds or so then take a couple more rips for a full blown experience.
 
harmala heavy changa feels somewhat discusting to me. I dont even add anything other than plain unextracted leaf to my changa anymore because I find that vaped harmalas at doses high enough to get those sort of effects is just far less pleasant than oral, snuffed or sublingual harmalas..I dont know why this is.

I think that some sublingual harmalas before smoking a plain caapi leaf and DMT changa mix to be much much better.

You can definatly get some strong tracers and closed eye visions etc from smoking a large dose of harmalas..but IME it was an extremely nauseated feeling with a gross body load that quickly developed into a headache. I would try it again maybe someday but I wont be adding pure harmalas like that to my changa. It is def the most effective route if that is what you are into but I just found the experience to lack a certain aspect that is present when I take them sublingual or orally.
 
jamie said:
harmala heavy changa feels somewhat discusting to me. I dont even add anything other than plain unextracted leaf to my changa anymore because I find that vaped harmalas at doses high enough to get those sort of effects is just far less pleasant than oral, snuffed or sublingual harmalas..I dont know why this is.

I think that some sublingual harmalas before smoking a plain caapi leaf and DMT changa mix to be much much better.

You can definatly get some strong tracers and closed eye visions etc from smoking a large dose of harmalas..but IME it was an extremely nauseated feeling with a gross body load that quickly developed into a headache. I would try it again maybe someday but I wont be adding pure harmalas like that to my changa. It is def the most effective route if that is what you are into but I just found the experience to lack a certain aspect that is present when I take them sublingual or orally.
Thats surprising. It must be different for everyone depending on body chemistry. I personally love smoking harmalas. In fact marijuana and I haven't been getting along too well for close to a year now so I keep some 10x caapi leaf around and smoke a bowl of that after work to relax. No dmt just enriched caapi leaf. It feels such a warm loving glow and puts my mind at ease right away.
 
behindthelight said:
Also, I have found that 20mg does nothing. For me it is more like 100mg at least.

Why dont you try it then ? Take 20-30mg of harmalas sublingualy , wait 30 min and then vape spice.

Its different between taken orally and subligualy. So if you say 100mg I believe you are talking taken orally right? You should not compare it with taken sublingualy.
 
"Also, I have found that 20mg does nothing. For me it is more like 100mg at least."

Harmalas are about 20x more active sublingual than oral..and 100x more active vaped. 100mg sublingual is a HUGE freaking dose comparable to like 2g oral. If you need 100mg sublingual I would say maybe you are doing it wrong and swallowing a large portion of it or dilluting it in your saliva too much to absorb sublingual.

25mg sublingual is easily enough to activate sublingual DMT, when you do it right.
 
under the tounge..and hold the tounge down against the bottom of the mouth tight so that no saliva gets in there. If you have having saliva build up it is not going to work properly. Ideally you wont be swallowing anything after 10 minutes or so..it will all have absorbed. 100mg's though is too much to take at once so you would have to maybe do like 20 mg's at a time till you have taken all of it..but then when done right I think you would feel really sick and be tripping VERY hard if you had 100 mg's.
 
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