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fractal rider

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swim has some san pedro powder and he thinks it is alot of it to eat he whas wondering if one can boil it to make it a tea so it will be more easy go ingest , swim prefers to drink tea
 
How much are you planning on eating?
I used to make tea with my powder but tbh I can't stomach the taste any more. I now use capsules or parachute it with rizla/tissue paper.
My best method of ingestion is House's resin tek, but fresh chunks are recommended for that.
Good luck man.
 
swim does not have a scale but in volume is like 1 1/4 cups of fine powder , i like the tea but for swim powder is very hard to eat it like that
 
PrimalWisdom said:
How much are you planning on eating?
I used to make tea with my powder but tbh I can't stomach the taste any more. I now use capsules or parachute it with rizla/tissue paper.
My best method of ingestion is House's resin tek, but fresh chunks are recommended for that.
Good luck man.
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Is it weaker if you just put it in capsules and don't make a tea out of it? I'm sure there must be some drawback. I have a bunch of san pedro powder myself that I've been waiting to make a tea out of, but if it turns out I just have to put them in capsules, I might be meeting the san pedro spirits sooner than expected.
 
The capsule/parachute method has always felt as strong as tea. The burps are still very present and I seem to purge more from the caps than from tea. But I find the purge really kicks off the trip, and if I don't purge I am always left with a lingering illness throughout the trip. I will never make tea again that's for sure, well as long as there are capsules on this earth. The only drawback is that for a good 50grams of powder you need around 100 caps. I tend to eat them over the course of an hour or 2 so I don't feel like I'm forcing them down.
The rizla is like a poor mans capsule. I put around 1/2 a teaspoon in the middle of a large rizla paper then roll it up into a little ball. the only draw back is the fact that you have to eat like a pack of rizla paper, and sometimes they get stuck to your mouth and split open BLERGH!
Tbh I hardly ever dry and powder my cactus anymore, but I know some can only get powder. Its a matter of personal taste really but I can recommend the capsules and for me they were alaways as strong as tea, without the trouble of drinking it.
 
If you have 1 1/4 cups I'd do an alcohol extraction and then put the end result in gel-caps. There really isn't a good way to eat that much cactus powder.
 
actualfactual said:
If you have 1 1/4 cups I'd do an alcohol extraction and then put the end result in gel-caps. There really isn't a good way to eat that much cactus powder.
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Have you ever had any luck with the alcohol extraction? I tried it 4 times and gave up eventually. The last time I ate 15 grams of tar and didn't feel a thing. Would be cool to know if I was doing something wrong.
I just added the powder to 99%IPA and left it for a week then filtered and soaked it again for a week then filtered and evapped all of it down to a gunk.

I then tried it our equivalent of Everclear, did the same thing and still no effects. It would be nice if this worked for me.
 
Very interesting. That's definitely a lot of pills, but it sounds better than brewing for however long followed by tasting what sounds like just as bad or worse than ayahuasca.
 
Alcohol extractions definitely work, but it takes three washes of 3-4 times the volume over a couple of weeks or more to get most of it out. You'll never get all of it out. If it doesn't work, the starting material is weak. I've always used 91% IPA and dry powder.

I haven't been completely happy with this method, or the limetek, because taking the powder directly is always stronger, noticeably, for the same amount of cactus. So I know they aren't getting everything out. I need to try an STB or A/B.

Yogurt works pretty good. Get a measured bowl of powder and a cup of yogurt. Take a glob of yogurt and mix it in the powder a little, then eat it before the cactus is moisturized. Mix it in a spoon at a time. Strawberry and stronger fruit flavors work best, some puddings and especially chocolate do not cover the flavor well. But the idea is to eat it faster than it can moisturize, so it doesn't taste like cactus. Drink alot of sugary drink to wash it down and you barely taste it. It isn't as bad as shrooms taken the same way, those give me an instant gag reflex if I smell the powder. Fresh ones smell wonderful.
 
damon said:
Alcohol extractions definitely work, but it takes three washes of 3-4 times the volume over a couple of weeks or more to get most of it out.
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One can use alcohol as a solvent and extract the majority of the alkaloids in minutes using microwave assisted extraction. It is what is done in labs now and is remarkably effective and very efficient.
 
AlbertKLloyd said:
damon said:
Alcohol extractions definitely work, but it takes three washes of 3-4 times the volume over a couple of weeks or more to get most of it out.
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One can use alcohol as a solvent and extract the majority of the alkaloids in minutes using microwave assisted extraction. It is what is done in labs now and is remarkably effective and very efficient.
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Can you please elaborate? Is it heating the powder/alcohol in the microwave to increase solubility, or using it to dry off the alcohol, or both? You have me intrigued, but boiling alcohol in the microwave sounds dangerous.

After some quick searching, it seems that short bursts of 50% power or less does more than simply heat up the solvent. Microwaves penetrate cell walls, possibly breaking them up better than freezing with water.
 

Often 15 – 20 min is sufficient, but
even 40 sec have been demonstrated to have given excellent
recovery (29,37). MAE of polyphenols and caffeine was found
to increase up to 4 min and later decreased with the increase
of time (41). In the extraction of artemisnin an overall high of
92% extraction was achieved with 12 min after which
extraction yield dropped down (38), as over exposure may
lead to thermal degradation of effective constituents
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We are talking 90+% efficiency in 5-10 minutes with these methods.
To determine
the time needed to obtain complete recovery, extractions of
samples of peppers were performed for different lengths of
time. Extraction times of 5, 10, 15, and 20 min were
evaluated. The results indicated that, a clear increase of the
recovery of capsaicinoids was not obtained with the increase
of the extraction time (42). Therefore, 5 min was selected as
the extraction time, since this was sufficient to extract all
the capsaicinoids present in fresh samples of peppers
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now it is important to avoid heating the alcohol too much, but it is unlikely a 10 minute extraction using this method is going to be any better than a 5 minute extraction. So it isn't that hard to avoid excessive heating of the alcohol, however there is some degree of risk of fire, though i have never had a problem using this method.

When microwave power is increased, the extraction time of many things goes down to about 1-2 minutes. So the power setting and the time become important factors here.

However separating the alcohol from the powder might not be easy.
It works better with coarser materials in terms of filtration, though it can take a bit longer to extract the goods.

It works with lots of things not just cacti.
MHRB can be extracted quite well this way and very quickly. Also there is a benefit in that the majority of the alkaloids are extracted into a solution before the start of an A/B or STB type process. This means that the amount of base needed is far lower than that required to break down the organic plant material, again making things much more efficient, because you can just do the STB/AB on the solution obtained from microwaving and there is no real benefit to using caustic base on the plant material, it just wastes more base, takes much longer and had greater risk of injury from caustic materials.
 
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