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Problems freaking out at sub-breakthrough doses

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q21q21

q21q21

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Hey all, I thought I've smoked DMT about 15-20 times.

About 6 or 7 with no effects (bulb vaporizor sucks)
About 8-10 with small visuals (bulb vaporizor still sucks)

Then 2 that were actually significant "experiences"
(The machine WORKS)

First with with 35-37mg, took 1 big toke and 1 medium toke.

I went through silhouettes of people to dark shadows gesturing under my eyelids.
Then my vision went complete 180 degrees and melting bodyparts with flowery and candy/like designs flowing through them
Then it got darker and little elves, not well defined were jumping off these cliffs and junk.

The second real experience I smoked 32mg

I got exactly to the second line and stayed there.

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Now of course everyone always talks about what they saw, like that is the main aspect, but it was my thinking.

In each time as soon as the effects get strong my mind goes

"THIS IS NOT FOR ME, GIVE IT TO YOUR FRIENDS, LETS NOT DO THIS AGAIN"

In both cases after about 10-15 sec of thinking that I settle down and just watch, then in 30-45 I'm content where I am.


So I know that a breakthrough is not necessarily supposed to be all fun and games, but do you think i should stick with the 30ish mg until I can do that comfortably before I try to breakthrough.

I mean as I see it, I was in the waiting room.
If you are scared of the waiting room, are you really ready to see the doctor???

Cheers fellow space cadets!
 
Sounds normal to me(yeah I know I always say that:lol:) , I am not so sure anyone is ready for the Dr.:lol: There is no hurry friend there are aplenty more appointments available. Its is understandable to want to run out of the waiting room in fear even when the Dr has proclaimed you to be HEALTHY and its just a yearly check up it can still make one nervous..:lol:

You could try going up in dose and just breaking down the door to the waiting room, running past all the other patients, breaking down the door by the receptionist, she will say "Sir can I help you" just ignore her and proceed to break down the doors to the examination rooms until you find the Dr.:lol: You can skip the waiting room but the Dr may not like it or he may commend you for your bravery.

I cant tell you what to do Bro that is up to you, but I can say for sure I been there and know Exactly what you mean. its always good to be careful as opposed to careless.


PEACE
MV
 
q21q21 said:
In each time as soon as the effects get strong my mind goes

"THIS IS NOT FOR ME, GIVE IT TO YOUR FRIENDS, LETS NOT DO THIS AGAIN"
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This is your ego talking. Who are you anyways? :p hehe

I know these thoughts too :) But fortunately I didn't listen to my ego and just kept on going. And I've had wonderful experiences.
But I've had one bad experience so I'm always a bit apprehensive. But nowdays I mostly smoke while tripping on shrooms. That has never failed me. Smoking on a good trip is absolutely great.

But good luck and I hope you can overcome yourself.
 
Yup, it's hard to get the bulb vaporizer to work, but if you do it acutally give the most amazing experiences (in my tests at least). However, it is so easy to burn the spice this way.

The machine or leaf bed method are much easier to use, and require much less babying.


Also, sometimes the waiting room is scarier than the actual Dr's visit. I HATE sub-breakthrough doses...they are always more anxiety prone, less euphoric (usually dysphoric), and are usually uncomfortable.

Personally, I think you should try a solid breakthrough dose on your machine. Try 45mgs, this seems to be a very nice breakthrough dose that doesn't get as crazy as higher doses tend to.
 
It is not unusual to freak out while saying hello to DiMiTri. But one must manage to see that it is not something dangerous going on, even though it might feel like you are dying or whatever. It's only your ego struggling to hold on to whatever the fuck is going on. And it should also be noted that for some sub-breakthrough doses can be more uncomfortable than higher doses. I will not recommend you anything else than to trust yourself and to trust the spice, the rest will come to you.
 
q21q21 said:
In each time as soon as the effects get strong my mind goes

"THIS IS NOT FOR ME, GIVE IT TO YOUR FRIENDS, LETS NOT DO THIS AGAIN"
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Hahahah, this is exactly it.
In fact the other weekend, when I had gone deeper than anticipated (see "lost my mind again")...i was like......"this is not for me, why do i do this to myself". All i could think about was when I get home, im gonna throw all my drugs away!!!haha

But there always something which makes you go back right!!!
 
agreed that the voice in yur head is just the ego struggling to stay in control..which it has no chnace of under a dose of glory, agreed as well that the sub-breakthrough doses seem harder to deal with.. when one first started the spice one started slow and gradually added till one day one knew it was time to jup in all the way and one did't regret that one bit!!!
baby steps are O.K. !!!
 
Hmm, GREAT info guys!

One question though:

I have a hard to break ego as I found out on Salvia where I fought for 45 minutes, yes, 45 minutes of hell talking franticly to my sitter until I calmed down.
If he wasn't there I might have never tripped again, or worse, killed myself. It was terrible.

I know that DMT is nothing like Salvia, from info and experience, I just don't want my first breakthrough to be my last.

I STILL SHUDDER THINKING OF SALVIA

Oh ya, I have only had 3 bad trips ever, Oral Cannabis, smoked Cannabis and that salvia.
Of my dozens of others from DXM to LSD, from shrooms to cacti to ayahuasca. I have never freaked out.
 
q21..don't forget to breathe deeply...deeply deeply....and if that fails just remember this simple technique, don't forget it

just roll your eyes over and over
works like a reset button of sorts
 
I'm pretty much in the exact same position as you!

Been gradually building up over the past week or so. Still not broken through but i found i only got anxious the first few times and i did get alot more used to it. So i would say just keep going til your ready. I think i'm almost ready for my first "jump" but it's my friends/girlfriend that are making me anxious about THAT. I just wanna go for it!

Hehe but hopefully things will turn out well mate!
 
(speaking from an oral perspective)

The Fear is completely normal.

Two things, I have heard, can cure The Fear:

1) Contemplation of life before and after the voyage. It could be realized that, if cumulatively, voyages have been very healing and/or taught many unforgettable lessons, there is no need for fear. Would anyone exchange great lessons and experiences for stagnant complacency? If voyaging sharpens the mind, teaches to dig deeper... switch focus from fear to gratitude. There is literally a switch, by the way--ask to see it. ;)

2) Going completely nuts. When the voyage is over and the voyager returns, it can be empowering, a literal reminder to the voyager that, "Wow, no matter how completely insane this all is, it is just like the crest of the wave, and the wave will always break against the Earth." Accept the waves, embrace them--remember intentions and breathe, breathe, breathe.

The Ego is like an alarm system on boundaries of being. It is very important. Thank it, acknowledge it, honor its purpose; kindly remind it to remain in the passenger's seat.
 
Astralking said:
I'm pretty much in the exact same position as you!

Been gradually building up over the past week or so. Still not broken through but i found i only got anxious the first few times and i did get alot more used to it. So i would say just keep going til your ready. I think i'm almost ready for my first "jump" but it's my friends/girlfriend that are making me anxious about THAT. I just wanna go for it!

Hehe but hopefully things will turn out well mate!
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Go for it man!!You will not regret it!!
 
If you find you're really nervous here's what I did. I dosed about 30mg first and I had a pretty good trip. Then about 25~30 minutes after you've peaked take the real dose, you'll probably know when your ready. I find I'm nervous before taking DMT and I get jittery. Then after I come down I'm completely at peace and taking a higher dose is much easier.
 
I hate sub breakthrough doses. They are dysphoric, confusing, and can leave me scattered. Full-breakthrough doses on the other hand are a whole nother world.

May I suggest stop playing around with sub doses and give it a go at 50mgs?

I never understood "working up" with DMT. There is sub-breakthrough and full-breakthrough, each are very different. You cannot even BEGIN to understand the power of spice on 20-25mgs...

My first dose was 50mgs in a vaporizer...I am VERY glad I started there or I may have NEVER done spice again.
 
acolon_5 said:
May I suggest stop playing around with sub doses and give it a go at 50mgs?
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This is also my advice! I really don't like a close to a breakthrough dose as you are sorta half in this dimension and half in the other...very low doses on the other hand are quite nice!

Calm yourself before lift off and just go for it! You will need to be dedicated and make sure you get all the spice. Then enjoy!!!

Safe travels :)
 
SWIM finds the mood set he is in before he smokes DMT (any amount) to be the most critical justification for how the trip to Hyperspace goes. SWIM finds that if he is feeling at all apprehensive before he is going to light up the pipe, the trip suffers because of it and he tends to get anxiety during the trip. As a result, before any trip if SWIM is feeling that sense of foreboding, SWIM will take something to calm his nerves, SWIM has found either deep breaths, cannabis, Home-brewed beer or a cup Passionflower tea to be the most effective.

SWIM agrees about sub-Breakthrough doses being subject to anxiety, however as Thepuresskunk said with mild doses, SWIM finds around 20-30 mg to provide a relaxing mood and enjoys low doses. However in SWIM's opinion they are a waste of spice and can not be comparred to a full blown Hyperspace visit. :d
 
Thanks everyone, onces SWIM's bark arrives he will try again, fresh out of spice at the moment, been waiting over 45days... post office, I and SWIM hate you!
 
mumbles said:
Step your doses up over time and the anxiety will be largely gone because swiy will know what to expect.
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I call bullshit on that one.
The more i do DMT, the more knowledge i gain about the substance.
With all that knowledge, I understand most of the crazy crazy things that could happen to me in hyperspace.
The thought of some of those things scares me to death.
My first two times were at 50mg.
Nothing will ever compare to them.
I had no idea what to expect so everything was brand new and incredible.
Now, sometimes when I go back to hyperspace, I'm there but not much excites me.
I kind of feel like I'm in purgatory..
Not great, but not bad..

Dive into DMT headfirst.
I would never recommend this with other hallucinogens, but DMT is totally different for a few reasons.

The trip is so short, you always have that safety line.
"alright, this will all be over in a few minutes, just tough it out.."
If you try hard enough, you can forcefully shorten the trip and if you can manage to sit up, make it disappear entirely.

The trip is never evil. The creatures and objects encountered are mind blowing and sometimes creepy, but they are always happy.
Never would they turn on you and try to hurt you.
I believe this is due to the fact that DMT directly targets the soul and not the brain.
Unlike your brain, your soul hasn't the capability to induce a bad trip.

You only have one "first chance" with this substance.
As with any other substance, it becomes rather convoluted after a period of use.
The spiritual journey you can attain the first few times is always unparalleled.
It's just such a mind blower and really takes you deep into yourself.
You will, with time, learn to be able to send yourself places and actually slightly control the excursion through space.
Along with this control, you learn to dive deeper than before, but it's for different reasons.
You won't ever feel that same initial bliss again.
 
When people get a breakthrough dose, can you still remember that you smoked spice? With, say, salvia, it is often impossible to remember what you smoked so can get scary as you don't know what happened to you. With every other psy I have done, even when things get really fucking hairy, there is still, locked deep down, that stubborn ability to murmur "deal with this, ride it out and you will be fine". Is this possible in hyperspace?
 
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