Psilohuasca/anahuasca combo help

[maranello551]

Hey guys. Me again.
So....SWIM was looking to do psilohuasca (rue+cubes) and boost it with a shot of acacia confuse tea this weekend. How can he make this happen?

If he easts the mushrooms after the rue and then adds the acacia to that, won't he purge the mushrooms before they are fully broken down and processed?

How long does it take a mushroom tea to take full effect (as in not be wasted if thrown up)?

Should he just eat rue, and mix his mushroom tea with the acacia tea and take it as one blend?

Or should he: 1. take the rue
2. take the mushroom tea (or just eat them for a longer experience)
3. take more rue to re-inhibit MAO like an hour or two into it (or would MAO still be inhibited 2 hours into the psilohuasca?)
4. take the acacia tea

What would be the best way to go about doing this?

I 1. don't want swim to purge his mushrooms and waste them
2. Fear that if swim take the psilo first and then waits to re-inhibit MAO and takes the acacia, that it wont have additional effect since perhaps the psilohuasca (at around the peak) will already have raised the brain's tolerance to DMT (and its analogs) and/or have saturated the receptors that the acacia tea would have to act on..

Help me please :3

 

[Adjhart]

In my experience, mushroom tea can have a noticeable onset as early as 15 minutes.

Depending on your tolerance to the rue, it might be your best bet, as you mentioned, to drink the mushroom tea first. You don't necessarily need the rue in you before the mushroom tea for them to be symbiotic. I would try waiting until I noticed the shroom effects before drinking the rue, and then continuing with your acacia once you notice the mAOI kick in - which should be more noticeable because you'll already be tripping.

I wouldn't wanna waste the mushroom tea either. But then again , I'd rather just smoke harmalas and drink mushroom tea instead.

Tell us what you decide to do or how it goes!

 

[maranello551]

So 3g rue after the tea would get me to the same level as 3g rue 40 minutes before the mushroom tea?

 

[maranello551]

If SWIM takes the rue first and than takes the mixed teas and keep everything down for an hour or an hour and a half or so, will that be enough time for his body to absorb all the psilocybin from the tea?

 

[Chimp Z]

Have you had experience with a psilohuasca combo before?
If not, it can be a big load. Took rue with some P. Azurescens and a few different strains of P. Cubensis, it was an ocean of tryptamines blanketing my world.
Drinking the rue and eating the mushrooms after would work.
So would consuming the mushrooms before the rue.

Have had the effects stay at bay for an hour or two and thought about re-dosing but then Wham! it comes and you are connected.

If drinking the Acacia brew later on in the journey you'll probably only need a few tablespoons.

May the force be with you.

 

[maranello551]

SWIM's had about 15 experiences with psilohuasca (always cubensis and rue). Everything from quite low to very high doses.

SWIM's looking for a transcendental level experience "the ultimate"

SWIM loves psilohuasca. SWIM loves the acacia brews he's tried so far (3/5 worked only though).

SWIM will be taking hefty doses of both. SWIM will have a sitter.

The dose: 2.2g rue
~5g cubensis
~20g acacia tea

Yes, SWIM will lose visual contact with consensus reality for probably a few hours.
Yes, I am okay with that.
Yes, it has happened before.
Yes, it will be frightening at times, amazingly beautiful at others.

If SWIM take the rue, wait ~40 minutes then take the mushroom tea and acacia tea mixed together (acacia is concentrated to a shot's worth; mushroom tea is half a cup), how long will SWIM have to wait to purge in order to not waste any psilocybin and/or DMT?

 

[Chimp Z]

Well i imagine you won't purge just from the rue. If you take the mushrooms and Acacia together, you might get some purge-vibes going within 15-30 minutes, I'd say. I never purge anahuasca or psilohuasca or anything for that matter. So can't really level with ya on the purge expectancy.

 

[maranello551]

Hmm..You don't purge with rue and bark tea? Do you feel nauseated at all?

Usually within an hour, swim NEEDS to purge badly. Not so with mushrooms or psilohuasca.

SWIM knows that after his purge basically all of the DMT is probably absorbed as it tends to be a strong experience, but he is very sure if he eats the mushrooms straight that they will be not nearly completely process within the hour if he throws them up. Last time he tried this combo and semi-failed, he "had to" eat them from the purge D:

This is why I am considering mixing teas this time. At the same time though, if he does throw up before he plans on doing so, all the tea will be basically wasted...

If he is almost peaking on the psilohuasca, will there be a tolerance interaction that would prevent the acacia tea from further boosting the experience since a tryptamine is already strong at work?

 

[Al-Wasi]

So harmalas have an effect on psilosybin? I've been seeing this psilohuasca which I'd never heard of till I got here. I have no experience with caapi or rue only vaped DMT and lots of LSD trips and quite a few good shroom trips.

I'm getting ready to try caapi tea on its own for the first time soon. I have some really nice golden teachers I've been saving for a special time.

What can I expect if I combine the teachers with a caapi tea or just extracted harmalas?

 

[maranello551]

Caapi tea will work fine, though i've nere tried that myself. I've just tried rue psilohuasca and it is AMAZING.

L'asta about 20% longer than without the harmalas and I would say the time dilation is doubled compared to a regular mushroom experience. It feels soooo long (which I personally love). I would say the visuals turn from the regular digital holography to a more ancient, jungle vibe with a hint of what feels like alien contact and telepathy. More intricate though perhaps less saturated color in the OEV's. Rue makes the experience more "detailed" and the fact that it makes the experience last almost as long as LSD makes it the perfect way to spend the day.

I was looking to try it with caapi (or try caapi at all) but I can't afford to work with caapi at the moment.

I'm not sure why maoi affects mushrooms but it does..a lot.

 

[maranello551]

If he is almost peaking on the psilohuasca, will there be a tolerance interaction that would prevent the acacia tea from further boosting the experience since a tryptamine is already strong at work?

Could I get some help with this?

 

[maranello551]

Also, would I have to re-dose rue to re-inhibit MAO or would the first rue dose (the mushroom one) inhibit MAO long enough that I can dose acacia tea 2 hours in?

 

[inextweekelorp]

The dose: 2.2g rue
~5g cubensis
~20g acacia tea

Yes, SWIM will lose visual contact with consensus reality for probably a few hours.
Yes, I am okay with that.
Yes, it has happened before.
Yes, it will be frightening at times, amazingly beautiful at others.

If SWIM take the rue, wait ~40 minutes then take the mushroom tea and acacia tea mixed together (acacia is concentrated to a shot's worth; mushroom tea is half a cup), how long will SWIM have to wait to purge in order to not waste any psilocybin and/or DMT?

!!!!!!!! That's a hefty dose there feller. You say you have experience with psilohuasca so must you know that since full MAO (4g rue) inhibition effectively quadruples the power of your cubies 2.2 gs of rue is going result in the equivalent of a 10g shroom trip + a strong dose of aya. Just trying to clarify so I know how hard to pray for you . Do you usually take acacia 40+ minutes after rue? A lot of people seem to think that it's good to give the MAOIs time to kick in before they drink their light containing plant but they're actually wasting a lot of good material because at 40+ minutes the Harmalas have been absorbed into your bloodstream and instead of distracting the MAOs in your stomach they will be mostly inhibiting the breakdown of MAOs in your brain. You need to drink the harmalas together with the acacia for it to be maximally effective. So you can still drink acacia at 40+ minutes and have it work somewhat but if you drank them both at the same time 20g would be a hefty dose in and of itself. Drink the acacia and rue together. Slowly add mushrooms an hour and a half later.

 

[3rdI]

SWIM will be taking hefty doses of both. SWIM will have a sitter.

The dose: 2.2g rue
~5g cubensis
~20g acacia tea

SWIM loves the acacia brews he's tried so far (3/5 worked only though).

i smell disaster in the air

 

[maranello551]

The dose: 2.2g rue
~5g cubensis
~20g acacia tea

Yes, SWIM will lose visual contact with consensus reality for probably a few hours.
Yes, I am okay with that.
Yes, it has happened before.
Yes, it will be frightening at times, amazingly beautiful at others.

If SWIM take the rue, wait ~40 minutes then take the mushroom tea and acacia tea mixed together (acacia is concentrated to a shot's worth; mushroom tea is half a cup), how long will SWIM have to wait to purge in order to not waste any psilocybin and/or DMT?

!!!!!!!! That's a hefty dose there feller. You say you have experience with psilohuasca so must you know that since full MAO (4g rue) inhibition effectively quadruples the power of your cubies 2.2 gs of rue is going result in the equivalent of a 10g shroom trip + a strong dose of aya. Just trying to clarify so I know how hard to pray for you . Do you usually take acacia 40+ minutes after rue? A lot of people seem to think that it's good to give the MAOIs time to kick in before they drink their light containing plant but they're actually wasting a lot of good material because at 40+ minutes the Harmalas have been absorbed into your bloodstream and instead of distracting the MAOs in your stomach they will be mostly inhibiting the breakdown of MAOs in your brain. You need to drink the harmalas together with the acacia for it to be maximally effective. So you can still drink acacia at 40+ minutes and have it work somewhat but if you drank them both at the same time 20g would be a hefty dose in and of itself. Drink the acacia and rue together. Slowly add mushrooms an hour and a half later.

SWIM was thinking 2.2g rue since I find lower doses of harmalas with acacia to be more physically comfortable. SWIM would rather take 4g rue when it comes to psilohuasca so he's yet to decide on the rue dose to be honest. He would rather have MAO be full inhibited.

Hopefully if he does settle on the 4g, the mushroom "bodyless-sensations" will reduce the physical discomfort of the 4g rue dose combined with the acacia brew.

SWIM generally takes his acacia brew 22 minutes after his rue, but he usually takes his mushrooms 44 minutes after his rue. (So he might settle halfway for 35 min)

If SWIM add the mushrooms an hour and a half later, will the MAO inhibition not only affect the MAO breakdown in the brain for the psilocybin as you said for the acacia?
Also, will the fact that the acacia brew is already in effect in SWIM's body have a sort of tolerance effect making the mushroom addition weaker than if he had taken mushrooms with rue alone? Or will there be no acacia/mushroom cross tolerance (fingers crossed)?

 

[maranello551]

SWIM likes the idea of taking the mushrooms an hour and a half later. He just wants to make sure that MAO will still be properly inhibited for the psilocybin dose if taken that much later, and that adding mushrooms an hour and a half in wouldn't be like the (usually wasteful) case where one doses mushrooms and then re-doses to try to get deeper but rather just extends the trip. SWIM is looking to go deeper and waste as little as possible.

So...if taken 1.5hr after the acacia brew

1. MAOI still properly active for mushrooms?
2. No cross tolerance between acacia and mushrooms?

Sorry for repeating the question. I just want to make sure it's properly phrased.

Thank you

 

[Pup Tentacle]

I can't recommend how much or in what order to take your treasure chest of compounds. What I can say is maybe test a smaller dose of rue and mushrooms together. This can be a pretty potent combo. My strongest mushroom trip to date has been psilohuasca. 2g of mushies---lemon-tekked and 200mg of somewhat impure harmala alkaloids extracted from rue put me in an out of body place similar to a vaped DMT space for 15 minutes. It was a wild ride and turned out well, but I have to say, I wasn't expecting the depth of experience I got and it could have easily been a pretty bumpy experience.

Good luck & Much Love!
:thumb_up:

 

[maranello551]

I can't recommend how much or in what order to take your treasure chest of compounds. What I can say is maybe test a smaller dose of rue and mushrooms together. This can be a pretty potent combo. My strongest mushroom trip to date has been psilohuasca. 2g of mushies---lemon-tekked and 200mg of somewhat impure harmala alkaloids extracted from rue put me in an out of body place similar to a vaped DMT space for 15 minutes. It was a wild ride and turned out well, but I have to say, I wasn't expecting the depth of experience I got and it could have easily been a pretty bumpy experience.

Good luck & Much Love!
:thumb_up:

I apreciate the warning.
SWIM's already tested all sorts of experiences with rue based psilohuasca at different doses (small to large) so I know well how strong the combo can be. He wishes to go deeper still without needing more mushrooms and he has a strong hunch that the clarity of the oral dmt experience would very nicely compliment and boost the mushroom one in a way that simply raising the psilocybin dosage simply could not.

The order of how to take them while wasting nome of their power is what is throwing SWIM off.

 

[maranello551]

The dose: 2.2g rue
~5g cubensis
~20g acacia tea

Yes, SWIM will lose visual contact with consensus reality for probably a few hours.
Yes, I am okay with that.
Yes, it has happened before.
Yes, it will be frightening at times, amazingly beautiful at others.

If SWIM take the rue, wait ~40 minutes then take the mushroom tea and acacia tea mixed together (acacia is concentrated to a shot's worth; mushroom tea is half a cup), how long will SWIM have to wait to purge in order to not waste any psilocybin and/or DMT?

!!!!!!!! That's a hefty dose there feller. You say you have experience with psilohuasca so must you know that since full MAO (4g rue) inhibition effectively quadruples the power of your cubies 2.2 gs of rue is going result in the equivalent of a 10g shroom trip + a strong dose of aya. Just trying to clarify so I know how hard to pray for you . Do you usually take acacia 40+ minutes after rue? A lot of people seem to think that it's good to give the MAOIs time to kick in before they drink their light containing plant but they're actually wasting a lot of good material because at 40+ minutes the Harmalas have been absorbed into your bloodstream and instead of distracting the MAOs in your stomach they will be mostly inhibiting the breakdown of MAOs in your brain. You need to drink the harmalas together with the acacia for it to be maximally effective. So you can still drink acacia at 40+ minutes and have it work somewhat but if you drank them both at the same time 20g would be a hefty dose in and of itself. Drink the acacia and rue together. Slowly add mushrooms an hour and a half later.

Will cross tolerance with acacia weaken the mushrooms taken 1.5hr later? Should I redose rue to reinhibit maoi?

 

[inextweekelorp]

Will cross tolerance with acacia weaken the mushrooms taken 1.5hr later? Should I redose rue to reinhibit maoi?

No. You don't need MAOIs to get psilocybin through your gut so you could space them apart by hours and as long as the rue is still in your brain the psilohuasca combo will work. If you take your Acacia 22 minutes after your rue like you said above then the acacia will still be way less potent. Take the Acacia and rue together.