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Psychedelics, Buddism and meditation

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DMTripper

DMTripper

John Murdoch IV
Stumbled upon this article a while ago. Found it interesting. Especially because I've always had difficulties meditating. Or making it a regular thing, a habit.
I will soon try the methods talked about here.
Every time I try to meditate I hit a brick wall of emotions I've never been able to get through. And I've been trying on and off for probably around 15 years.

 
DMTripper,

Thank you for posting this,,very interesting. I have written a long report regarding this subject here on NEXUS, and it got deleted without any explanation, I spend days writing it just to be deleted, so I will just say in a nutshell:

- Buddhist meditation is taking retreats from 2 to 10 days, this is the heart of meditation.

- It is not possible to do daily practice in the beginning without the teacher and a group

The plants for meditation are fundamental, and I take a bold statement that it is actually impossible to meditate without flushing the mind first, with these plants, not any plants will flush the mind:

- full flood Ibogaine,
- strong Aya or pharma level 5
- mushrooms level 5 trip

All these should be done few days before the long retreat.

During the retreat:

- micro dosing with Iboga 100mg, or whatever amount that is under level 1.

My husband who could not meditate after the work with plant this year he did 4 vipassana retreats of 10 days which are the hardest retreats, so we have a first hand experience, I may connect some threads where I talk about it.

I think in therapeutic sense working with plants and serious meditation is a great way to seal and integrate it from both sides.

As I said, I have never found here nobody who meditates in Buddhist tradition with a teacher, which is the only way to do it. Also Zen is the best technique to start off, it takes minimum of 5 years to understand what is going on, only with teacher and at least two long retreats a year and daily practice.
 
Jox said:
DMTripper,


As I said, I have never found here nobody who meditates in Buddhist tradition with a teacher, which is the only way to do it.
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"Look within, you are the Buddha."

Of course it's not the only way to do it.

I meditate every day, with purpose, with results, and without a teacher. Most meditation sessions are extremely enjoyable, now.

It also took me a few tries over a few different years in a few different spots of my life to actually 'get it', though.

Just keep trying. And I do totally agree with Jox though that the plants can help with this.


:thumb_up:
 
I've been meditating here and there for around 10 years, but mostly just on my own. The other day I had a bad experience though when a friend wanted to check out a zen center nearby. We basically got kicked out before even sitting down, and were asked to 'apply' and then and pay heavy $ for a weekend workshop, because they claimed the free beginner session scheduled on their site was mistaken. It was just the way they went about it that bugged me. The guy basically acted like we were a bunch of silly noobs (who isn't though?) and wouldn't even let us stay :p

I've had good experiences with other places, but this one just seemed dogmatic and unwelcoming.
 
DMTripper

Thank you for sharing such a fascinating article, meditation practice is something that I hold very near and dear to my heart and it has become an integral part of my daily life. I have always felt intuitively that incorporating meditation with psychedelics is a powerful and profound combination. The technique that helped me the most is to make sure I practice each day, even if I am only able to meditate for 30 minutes that particular day. As I think the key is repetition with regards to meditation. Some people say that you shouldn't incorporate meditation with psychedelics and I think this is very much a personal decision to make but I don't see any harm in having as many tools in your belt as possible.

Going on retreat and receiving an initiation and teachings from a highly regarded Lama is incredibly helpful as it is an effective way of gaining knowledge directly from a sound source as apposed to an indirect source. Where if you receive knowledge from an indirect source it is sometimes difficult to ascertain whether the information has been tainted or changed. There is an influx of disinformation and tainted knowledge that is being flooded into a great deal of Buddhist teachings, so authenticity of the teachings can come into question at times. Its one of the main reasons why teachings are deemed sacred in order to protect the authenticity and the lineage. It makes more logical sense to try and attend a retreat or receive teachings from a high Lama if the opportunity arises. For example: with Phowa teachings it is best to be initiated by a Lama like Ayang Rinpoche as he is a highly regraded Phowa master. Also attending teachings or a retreat always gives me an amazing amount of direction, motivation and leaves me feeling invigorated and refreshed.

Over all the years that I have attended retreats or have received teachings from my Lamas or my teachers, I have never once been asked to pay exorbitant amounts of money to receive the teachings or knowledge only a donation is made by whoever wishes to give a donation. As a gesture of respect I always contribute as much as I am able to. Knowledge needs to be as accessible as possible and if someone is charging large amounts of money for the knowledge, I feel that it is a sign to proceed with caution.

Mindfulness practice has also helped me to strengthen my other daily meditation practices and it has also been a powerful catalyst for strengthening my Bodhicitta meditation. Its a slow process which I started 16 years ago and it takes an incredible amount of focus and dedication but I guess it takes time to find the correct balance, anything that is worthwhile in life is never attained easily. I attend retreats and teachings and do my own personal daily practice which I have found to be an incredibly effective combination.

Lucid dreaming practice is also another tool which I use with my meditation practice as it can aid in accumulating extra time that you are able to dedicated towards your practice and it also strengthens your awareness and deepens your perspective. If you incorporate oneirogens with lucid dreaming practices it can be incredibly potent which I have personally had some success with in the past. I hope this information may be of some help to you on your journey and I wish you safe and happy travels, again thank you ever so much for sharing such an interesting article it really is a true gem.


Much Peace and Respect
 
A really great read; this is much of what I attempt to incorporate into my life on a bi-daily basis typically.

So much of what was said in that text I highly resonate with, and feel many here on this forum could use this advice and should heavily consider it at heart. And I don't mean that in a condescending way whatsoever, much the opposite. I mean it as humbly as is possible.

These substances really are just a door...nothing more.

Great stuff, thank you for sharing.
 
I've always found the low doses uncomfortable. But those uncomfortable feelings are something I need to get through. I've for long wanted to try to do low doses on a daily basis for maybe 2 weeks or so. Just to see how that would affect me both physically and mentally.

After reading this I'm more eager to do it especially in combination with meditation. Just need to find time. Or make time to learn to bend time :)
 
Adjhart said:
Jox said:
DMTripper,


As I said, I have never found here nobody who meditates in Buddhist tradition with a teacher, which is the only way to do it.
Click to expand...


"Look within, you are the Buddha."

Of course it's not the only way to do it.

I meditate every day, with purpose, with results, and without a teacher. Most meditation sessions are extremely enjoyable, now.

It also took me a few tries over a few different years in a few different spots of my life to actually 'get it', though.

Just keep trying. And I do totally agree with Jox though that the plants can help with this.


:thumb_up:
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I meditate all the time as well, and it's fruits are even visible in plain sight.
There's nothing more rewarding than proper meditation and a positive mind.

Thanks for sharing, DMTripper.
 
I meditated superficially before DMT or any other psychedelic experiences. But now that I have some tripping under my belt , I know what I'm meditating for, it's all about being here in this moment in a calm and collected state. It's incredible to have the chatter turn off like a loud TV that has been on all day. And to just be here knowing that everything in your mind is trivial and that what you are experiencing is the epitome of truly living.

You just can't have that as a function member of western society unless you indulge in psychedelic drugs , or you dedicate your life to a mindfulness discipline.

Also after DMT , and not tripping after 5 months , today I woke up in a bad mood , thinking about my EX , loneliness and getting up at 5 am. And on the way to work and just said screw it , and began taking really deep breaths and paying attention to inhaling and exhaling. My drive to work is 40 minutes, and about halfway there everything went quiet , my mood improved and began to notice things like colors and nature and all the sounds too , things my adult brain puts on the back burner. Ever since DMT , mindfulness is an easily flipped switch in the back of my mind.
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Yeah I experienced a meditative state of mind I think first after smoking DMT.
Sometimes or usually after I come back from a trip when I'm out of all the visual stuff the trip lingers with me
and keeps me in a very meditative state that I love. Just being there, noticing or observing the sound in the environment. Observing my cat and the sound of the neighbours and stuff. Without any thought. Just sucking life in, feel how I'm a part of it :)
Very blissful feeling :)

And I just picked a lot of liberty caps last weekend so I'll be doing some micro dose experiments in the next weeks :)
 
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