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Psychedelics causing intense random come-ups and trips when not consuming them?

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DoorSeeker

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I've been getting these waves of intense feelings like a come-up on shrooms or something. I kind of feel like I'm tripping when they get intense. The only thing I can figure is there are psychedelics in my system getting randomly released. I really have no idea what is going on though. This had been going on for a couple of weeks. It had been getting better but I smoked some pot oil last night and it got really intense and had a borderline panic attack. I can still feel the waves coming on now but it is somewhat better. I originally thought that drying mushrooms might be doing it. Like random debris getting in my system but I've kind of drop that theory. Has anyone had anything like this happened to them? Anyone know what it is and how to make it better? I just want it to go away! :( I think I'm going to go see a doctor today. :sick:
 
Hello DoorSeeker,

Have you been "abusing" any psychedelics lately ?
A friend of mine used to smoke a lot of changa everyday for about 2 or 3 weeks ( 5 to 10 hits a day ). When he stopped, during the following 2-3 weeks, he used to get dmt like waves and hallucinations, he could even see the aura over people's head ( good or bad auras, which was a good thing... or maybe not )...
Everything stopped by itself.

I know my reply cannot help you in any way :(

I think you might need to go check a doctor.

I hope everything gets back to normal for you.
 
Seeing a doctor can be a good thing.

As Kaapiten said, it might have to do with overusing psychedelics/drugs or not paying attention to set and setting, not sure if that could be the case

If you smoked pot and it got worse, then I'd def not smoke pot anymore, at least for a good while. Be sure to keep other things in life as grounded and balanced as possible, like eating well, exercising, sleeping well, keeping a good relationship with people around you, sharing your thoughts and emotions with people you can trust... All of these things, if not cure, can at the very least help many people having difficulties similar to yours.

I wish you well!

Let us know how it develops, feel free to post more about it.
 
This happened to me, but i'm a daily Cannabis smoker. Anytime i'd smoke Cannabis i would get this headfeeling like i'm coming up on Aya/DMT and so it made for quite an unenjoyable headspace and would give me anxiety, paranoia and mild panic attacks. That lasted for awhile but it eventually faded after some time away from Psychedelics (i was taking Aya a lot/pretty regularly), though now the way in which i respond to Cannabis is different and doesn't really feel much like it used to. I still smoke a few times a day though, mostly late at night, and the come up feeling has gone away now so the headspace is a bit more enjoyable again but still pretty different from how it used to be. I feel like Cannabis's Entheogenic potential has really come out a lot more since all of my Aya experimentation. I also had a few good Shroom experiences which seemed to alter the Cannabis afterwards where instead of feeling like i'm coming up on DMT/Aya, i felt a similar Shroom-like headspace/effect, which lasted about a couple weeks and then went away, it also seemed to reduce the anxiety/paranoia i was getting from Cannabis.

So yeah, if you use Cannabis then that's probably what's going on. If it's happening while sober, then i'm not sure, because while sober i would be fine, but the minute i smoke a few puffs of Cannabis, my headspace would change drastically and instead of a nice relaxing "high" or a sedating stone, i would just feel like i was coming up on DMT for about say 10 to 15 minutes and then things would smooth over.

I think Cannabis has potential with this though, and can be used to re-visit the Psychedelic headspace for some time after a good experience, but on the other hand it does kinda suck if all you're wanting is to smoke and relax lol. But like i said, it seemed to fade after awhile, but the Cannabis headspace still isn't anything like it used to be.

And yes, as endlessness said, grounding is important. I personally found Lemon essential oil to be somewhat helpful in helping to ground me back to reality (it also helps some with anxiety and such, and can alter or enhance the Cannabis headspace because of the Limonene i'm thinking).
 
Is it possible this is a high anxiety issue? Any especially intense experiences recently? My rough come-ups often feel like some kind of panic or anxiety attack, if I try to label the feeling. Best bet to make this stop is stop using psychedelics and other psychoactives, including weed and alcohol. Give your mind a break. A doctor may be able to help, especially if it is anxiety or something else altogether.

I had a bout of anxiety attacks for over a month after some usage once. I'd get somewhat random waves of this throughout the day which slowly got better as time passed with no usage. Hope you feel better.
 
Endlessness has really sound advice. I would take heed of that advice.

Psychedelics can be powerful modes of change, even when we haven't been taking them :p I can't even count the amount of times I hadn't been taking psychedelics and had gotten subjective/perceptual changes throughout the day, sometimes random, been going on for years n years. I'll tell ya what's helped me above anything else - the things endlessness outlined, they're so incredibly important to having a balance. Staying active is huge, and if you're already 'active' ...then become moar active, it can help beyond anything else I've found. Being plumped up on psych meds should be a last ditch attempt when all other avenues of treatment/therapy have been exhausted I feel.

I know when I would be brewing caapi on the stove, or before I nom down some mushrooms, there's definitely subtle shifts in my interior/exterior realities, what's going on ..I'm not sure [this goes for any psychoactive substance really]. I think many on this forum experience this more or less.

Also, give this some time. Time really does heal things, but you have to take that step. Takes perseverance and internal fortitude to stick through things, no matter how they may seem, and continue living your life in light of these things. They're often not as serious as we interpret them to be. We often paint a different picture.

And marijuana can be a powerful boundary dissolver, especially mentally. I know for me if I smoke too much canna too quick.. that overall 'feeling' I get initially when coming up, it can go south quickly if i'm not prepared [set/setting, being mindful of those]. I can feel it in my arms, legs and body, it's like this entire feeling that comes over me. I know for me that after years of psychedelic use that the initial experience buildup of smoked cannabis has taken a much moar intense turn. I think many here have experienced this and still do, so I don't think you're alone there. :)

EDIT: Just wanted to note that I'm definitely not some exemplar of what I said above, I've had my own battles over the years with things not as related to this, though the things I said above [as endlessness said] still hold true to life/post psychedelics despite many of my personal shortcomings. I've never been that good at taking my own advice when it comes to some things :p
 
I quit smoking pot for 20 years because of exactly what you are talking about. Psychedelics too. I had been abusing them and didn't even know what set and setting was. Sounds like it might be time for a break. Endlessness said it well. Pay attention to his wisdom.

Also: Oil can give anyone a panic attack. The current obsession with that stuff baffles me. IMO, the only thing that stuff is good for, the way people are doing it in large doses, is giving yourself a huge tolerance. (cooking too, I guess.. but I'm talking about the whole dabs thing)
 
Thanks for sharing and all the advice. I'm fairly confident that I am not "abusing" them but maybe I should be even more conscience of how I am using them. Frequency of psychedelics is pretty low lately. Like a few times in the last couple months. I was going heavy for a bit earlier this year though. I am definitely going to take a break from everything for a while.

I totally agree about taking care of myself. I don't think this is the issue though. I really try to take care of myself, eating right, exercising and everything else.

I am definitely having these issues sober. That's what is really bothering me. I feel like I have been on a slight mushroom trip or come-up. It went away about a week ago but came back hard when I smoked the other day. I think the oil just magnified whatever the issue is. It has gotten better and under control the last couple of days but it is still there and is quite intense sometimes.

I think part of it is ever since I did ayahuasca last year it has really ramped up the power and value of all of these substances, including marijuana. I think I naively put marijuana in a separate category and didn't really think about set and setting with it but given the new found power with it I think I should rethink that.

I have to say, meditation during my bad experience really helped. I literally meditated hard for over an hour and it really grounded me and kept me from full blown panicking. I really have a new found respect for meditation.

This constant trip or whatever it is is exhausting though. It feels like waves of a feeling like being dropped from a roller coaster. I'm trying to make the best of it though and be positive; it does feel like a trip after all. I notice a slight change in my views, feelings, perceptions and things of that sort. I feel like it is slowing changing how my mind works, like I'm slowly creating new connections to parts of myself and some sort of connection with the universe. I wonder if somehow my body is being microdosed or something... It is a very strange experience.
 
Try a different pot mix, if it still jigs , then zag. You'll figure out a solution

Out of curiosity do you think your cortisol levels are high?
 
My answer is going to be very unscientific, so if you're looking for a rational explanation for it this is going to be a useless reply. :love:

I personally have the exact issue you have, after doing loads of mushrooms the lines between the "mushroom" reality, and my "everyday" reality started becoming blurred. Just meditation was enough to set me off into another universe, and smoking weed became 70% of a mushroom trip on it's own and taking mushrooms would take me further and further on much lower doses, even long after the drug was expired in my system. Note: There was literally no physical or rational reason for this, except perhaps I was more willing to surrender and ride the experience to it's fullest.

My personal take on this is as you integrate what you've learned with psychedelics into your consciousness you begin to understand what is happening on Psychedelics is always happening all around you, you just weren't aware of it. The more aware of it you become the easier it is to float between the two with nothing more than music, or just a conscious effort.

If you're not enjoying it then perhaps it isn't time for you to swallow the red pill yet, and you should go back to the blue one for a while until you're ready to go again. Or if you are enjoying it just remember to be respectful to everyone around you, enjoy life to it's fullest, having that level of awareness is something that is priceless and many would pay with their lives to have.

If you don't like the feeling the first thing you should do is stop taking them for a while, and get attached to what's happening on Earth. Start investing more time into the rational experience of life and let the Journey into the unknown rest for a while. There are a lot of facets to absorbing the information provided through a trip, and your whole being needs to accept those teachings before moving on to the next one's, so give it time. 😁

Sorry if it's not a useful reply. :oops:
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Forestwalker said:
Try a different pot mix, if it still jigs , then zag. You'll figure out a solution

Out of curiosity do you think your cortisol levels are high?
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Yeah, I think I'm going to kick the oil and go back to regular bud. That shit is insanely strong. That stuff rockets me to another dimension.

Well considering I'm under a considerable amount of stress during these waves of whatever is happening to me, yes my cortisol levels are probably high.
 
Forestwalker said:
Try a different pot mix, if it still jigs , then zag. You'll figure out a solution

Out of curiosity do you think your cortisol levels are high?
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Wooow wooow wooow, Forestwalker, please tell me more about WHY you asked that!!!
I've been investigating sleep issues, "HPPD", psychosis, etc, and I'm arriving at the conclusion of suspecting CORTISOL for it all... please please tell me that you're still reading this forum and contact me in details!:d
 
Psychedelics open up new pathways in the brain. It gives you a new way to think. This is not forgotten. It should be no surprise that these pathways can remain active without the action of the inducing substance. Acceptance is key. Forming anxiety patterns in connection with these spontaneous 'reawakening' phenomena is fruitless. Learning techniques of mental relaxation can only help you here.

It's wryly amusing that there is an ongoing realisation among pot smokers that pot is in fact quite a powerful psychedelic. When used wisely, it should steer you towards doing what you actually need to do in order to stay healthy (IME).

Nonetheless, if these phenomena persist in disrupting your day-to-day life it's best to lay off the drugs and seek the assistance of a sympathetic medical professional. It could be that's what the pot has been telling you - through making you aware of the excess cortisol, even?


Be well! (Ah, old thread, but I stand by what's been said.)
 
downwardsfromzero said:
Psychedelics open up new pathways in the brain. It gives you a new way to think. This is not forgotten. It should be no surprise that these pathways can remain active without the action of the inducing substance. Acceptance is key. Forming anxiety patterns in connection with these spontaneous 'reawakening' phenomena is fruitless. Learning techniques of mental relaxation can only help you here.

It's wryly amusing that there is an ongoing realisation among pot smokers that pot is in fact quite a powerful psychedelic. When used wisely, it should steer you towards doing what you actually need to do in order to stay healthy (IME).

Nonetheless, if these phenomena persist in disrupting your day-to-day life it's best to lay off the drugs and seek the assistance of a sympathetic medical professional. It could be that's what the pot has been telling you - through making you aware of the excess cortisol, even?


Be well! (Ah, old thread, but I stand by what's been said.)
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‘‘Twas bout ‘o reply then read this and now for my attempt atta mystical addendum:

You mayhaps (op) have awakened kundalini on accident. Someone at satsang recently enlightened me to that there are in fact two serpents, and thus the staff (med students stand up). Regardless, do not fear. God thanks me whenever I see the light, and a free high can be caught from right thought.
 
downwardsfromzero said:
It's wryly amusing that there is an ongoing realisation among pot smokers that pot is in fact quite a powerful psychedelic. When used wisely, it should steer you towards doing what you actually need to do in order to stay healthy (IME).
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Such an interesting subject. What many people don’t realise is the vast difference between eaten and smoked cannabis. When you eat cannabis the Delta-9-THC gets converted to 11-hydroxy-THC by the liver, delivering a very different (more psychedelic) experience.

The recent strains of cannabis also have much lower ratio of CBDs to THC. The CBDs have been shown in studies to have anti-psychotic and anti-paranoia effect. If you cannot get hold of high CBD cannabis (which is normally the case in regions where it’s illegal) you can use CBD only products to counteract negative effects caused by high THC cannabis.

My advice to anyone experiencing psychosis like symptoms is to simply abstain from cannabis and consult a medical professional.

In terms of what Algodritmo was talking about; cannabis is known to interrupt normal sleep patterns. If I remember correctly it reduces or eliminates REM sleep (when you have dreams) and increases the amount of non-REM deep sleep (the period when you brain goes into physical repair mode). This might sound like a good thing, but that is unlikely - our brains have evolved to have REM sleep over millions of years, if it didn’t provide a significant advantage to us we simply wouldn’t do it. Think about it like this; when we are dreaming we are incredibly vulnerable to predators, so this MUST be very important otherwise this attribute would have been weeded out by natural selection (also all mammals dream)
 
Aside from CBD, there's a cheaper option, Limonene and Alpha-Pinene. Limonene counteracts the negative side-effects of THC in a similar way to CBD, through acting as a Serotonin 1A agonist, but also an Adenosine A2A agonist, i drink a cup of Coffee in the morning, and then an hour later take the Limonene, to block out the Adenosine A2A receptor activation thus Limonene can't activate that and thus only acts as a Serotonin 1A agonist, i've had very good results with Limonene, better than CBD, no paranoia, no anxiety, reduced mental fog/clearer headspace, way more stable in terms of effects. As for Alpha-Pinene, it acts as an Acetylcholinesterase inhibitor thus raising levels of Acetylcholine thus counteracting the memory impairments of THC as well as increasing REM sleep thus counteracting THC's impact on REM. If you can get a good high quality strain with the right terpenes, it'll help out a lot, but i feel it's better to consume the terpenes in a capsule orally, and then it'll last the whole day. I used 10 drops of Limonene once or twice a day, and iirc about 10 drops, to 12 drops or so of the Cholinergic Alpha-Pinene. There's also a GABAergic variety of Alpha-Pinene as well. Other terpenes may also be of interest though.

But yeah, i've only tried CBD once so far, ate a couple gummies a few times in one day, to see how high i could go on the dosage and the effects that come out as the dosage goes up, and while 25 to 50mgs of CBD may be useful, definitely don't wanna consume too much imo, but still, i found that i liked/preferred how Limonene felt, better than the CBD. I still need to try out the CBD more to say for sure, but the terpenes are definitely worthy of investigation, and with the right terpenes one might not even need or want to smoke Cannabis as some of the medicinal properties of Cannabis are attributed to the terpenes themselves, but THC does help, and so can CBD.
 
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