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Purification after manske

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You mean that the data from analysis confirm that this easy way is a good easy way, and makes what we want?
I think that's exactly what @_Trip_ is saying. I was thoroughly satisfied with the results of harmala extractions without using Manske.

Manske precipitation is still a fun thing to do if you like growing beautiful, sparkly golden crystals, however!
 
I think that's exactly what @_Trip_ is saying. I was thoroughly satisfied with the results of harmala extractions without using Manske.

Manske precipitation is still a fun thing to do if you like growing beautiful, sparkly golden crystals, however!
So what do you use for basyfing?
I strated my extraction and i wonder.... that typical NaOH that i usually use for dmt extraction is not a good idea here.
what would be better? i believe that something that is food grade? can you guide me in this step please.
 
In my experience ammonia is the best base since the excess wil vaporize upon drying and therefore leaves no residual base. It is as simple as to base with ammonia filter out the freebase and then wash with some water to remove most of the ammonia and then dry. If you have a Buchner filter with vacuum pump it’s even better.
 
Hey guys regarding amonia, are we talking about Ammonium Bicarbonate ? I am going to buy it.

Also i wanted ask you for one thing. As i started doing my extraction i have noticed that filtering is rather pain in the ass.
One thing in the "no manske" technique was described is that we dont even need a filtering, and simply doing the settle/pour of method.

So my aproach was that after making a tea i did few of those, than i lye for first base, when it settled i decanted water from top and simply put some water with citric to make an acid stage.

and this liquid i poured through a coffe filter and i notice it is way easier then then trying to filter the base layer, get the freebase dry it scrape from a filter etc....

so i came up with this way of doing it:

1. Make tea - settle - decant
2. Base it - settle - decant
3. Acidify - filter

repeat 2 and 3 untill water gets clear (it became quite clear after 3rd cycle)

and than basify with ammonia for the last cycle, settle, pour of and collect all teh freebase on teh evaporation dish, warm it, evaporate and collect.

what are your thoughts on this please and what are you experiences?

thanks for your inputs it helps me a lot on my first extraction, i am very happy with it and i think it deserves a good tek and detailed description.
 
Hey guys regarding amonia, are we talking about Ammonium Bicarbonate ? I am going to buy it.
No ammonia is ammonium hydroxide solution in water, 5 % should be fine, and is available as household ammonia.
Also i wanted ask you for one thing. As i started doing my extraction i have noticed that filtering is rather pain in the ass.
Hence the Buchner filter
1. Make tea - settle - decant
2. Base it - settle - decant
3. Acidify - filter

repeat 2 and 3 untill water gets clear (it became quite clear after 3rd cycle)
This is the way to go, don’t use the settled stuff from step one but use the tea, and then from step two keep and use the freebase settlement.
I prefer to have at least one manske in the process after you lose all the plant material, mostly because the beauty of it.
and than basify with ammonia for the last cycle, settle, pour of and collect all teh freebase on teh evaporation dish, warm it, evaporate and collect.
I like to wash between the freebase and drying, it will reduce the smell from the ammonia and does not affect the yield. Citric acid is good to use but acidic acid is a good option to and might be more economical.
Take care
 
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No ammonia is ammonium hydroxide solution in water, 5 % should be fine, and is available as household ammonia.
OK. Got it. Will go for it than. Maybe i will get 25%. I have a very good vendor for all kind of chemicals BTW.
Hence the Buchner filter
I started to look around for some of that stuff.
This is the way to go, don’t use the settled stuff from step one but use the tea, and then from step two keep and use the freebase settlement.
I prefer to have at least one manske in the process after you lose all the plant material, mostly because the beauty of it.
Looks like i will give the manske thing a try one day.
I like to wash between the freebase and drying, it will reduce the smell from the ammonia and does not affect the yield. Citric acid is good to use but acidic acid is a good option to and might be more economical.
Take care
Can you please explain a bit how do you do the washing part?

And i belive you meant ACETIC (not acidic) acid, right? And if i may ask why do you prefer it over the citric? And if there is any preference for the best acid?
As i told you i have a very good source of all kind of pure lab grade chemicals here where i am and prices are also very friendly.
 
OK. Got it. Will go for it than. Maybe i will get 25%. I have a very good vendor for all kind of chemicals BTW.
Use proper PPE and use it in a well ventilated environment.
Looks like i will give the manske thing a try one day.
I can definitely recommend
Can you please explain a bit how do you do the washing part?

And i belive you meant ACETIC (not acidic) acid, right? And if i may ask why do you prefer it over the citric? And if there is any preference for the best acid?
As i told you i have a very good source of all kind of pure lab grade chemicals here where i am and prices are also very friendly
After basing with ammonia just decant away from the freebase, then add some water, wait and then decant, you could repeat this if necessary. And yes Acetic I like it because it’s easier to use and is something that you have in the kitchen.
 
After basing with ammonia just decant away from the freebase, then add some water, wait and then decant, you could repeat this if necessary. And yes Acetic I like it because it’s easier to use and is something that you have in the kitchen.
Ok. Got it. Thanx. I will stick to citric acid since still i have loads of it.
And last question for now, once i will get a buchner filter, filtration gets easier.
And what about filtering through active charcoal? Does this makes sense? I read in origanal post of the "no manske" method, that he used some charcoal for filtration and the product was pure white after it. Whats your thought about it?
 
Hey guys regarding amonia, are we talking about Ammonium Bicarbonate ? I am going to buy it
No ammonia is ammonium hydroxide solution in water, 5 % should be fine, and is available as household ammonia.
Bear in mind that you can produce ammonia from any ammonium salt, by mixing it with any strong base, but this requires a certain level of chemical know-how in order to perform safely (such as correctly setting up and operating the gas generation and absorption apparatus). So, again, I'm saying that it can be done, not that you should try it. If you can buy ammonia solution easily, there's not really any point in doing this unless you were wanting to hone your general chemistry skills. Producing and absorbing gases is quite a useful trick but also requires a solid understanding of the relevant safety protocols.
And yes Acetic I like it because it’s easier to use and is something that you have in the kitchen.
A further advantage being that it does evaporate relatively easily, with the corresponding disadvantage that it can stink a bit if you're boiling large amounts or higher concentrations of it.

And what about filtering through active charcoal? Does this makes sense? I read in origanal post of the "no manske" method, that he used some charcoal for filtration and the product was pure white after it. Whats your thought about it?
Try it if you have it - add just enough that the colour has disappeared. Adding too much charcoal will reduce your yield as it is not selective. I would love to see you get white crystals this way. It can be difficult to filter off the small particles, so the lab trick is to use a layer of diatomaceous earth (sold for lab use as "Celite") in your filter funnel.
 
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