Q21Q21 ACRB success - freeze thaw nuke - repeat

[skoobysnax]

On pull 3 and still clouding.
Followed Q21Q21's tek with 100gr ACRB. Pretty much stuck to the recommended measurements but during the acidification I freezed and thawed twice with a gentle covered heating in the microwave for 1 min after each freeze thaws completely. The theory that both this will give a 3 pronged approach to lysing the powdered bark. As sacrilegious as nuking the mix seems the science seems sound. I Based with Lime to a thick pea soup (consistancy 2) as directed by q21q21's tek and let it sit 24-48 hours.
Pulled with D-Limonene and precipitated with FASI dropwise slowly. Waited at hour between each dropping until no precipitation occurred. Let it sit overnight and repeat. Then left alone for 72 hrs and tan sparkles encrusted the glass. Started 2nd pull and repeat until it no longer gives.

 

[anrchy]

No need to base for that long, the reaction happens instantly. Personally I am not convinced that heat does anything to increase yield. Nice job either way.

 

[V01D]

I see no problem with using a microwave... It's just sound waves after all... and I mean everything is vibrations when you get down to it isn't it?

 

[skoobysnax]

No need to base for that long, the reaction happens instantly. Personally I am not convinced that heat does anything to increase yield. Nice job either way.

The long wait was just really being patient and seeing what would happen. This tek is awesome because I can do it casually without suiting up in all the gear and watch anime while stirring the bowl and such. Limo smells nice. The microwave wasn't really for the heat as much as it was for its action on the cell walls. I didn't make it hotter than I would leftover coffee.

I am noticing a small part I washed in 99% IPA to see if there was much fumaric acid left in it took on a lot of atmospheric moisture and turned a bit gooey over a 6 hour period.

 

[HippingTrippY]

The Proof is in the pudding and what's in that jar certainly looks like the godly GOODS. Thank you for sharing about using the microwave for help lysing. It's sharing knowledge like that which will turn extracting what we want into a process akin to making Jiffy Pop Popcorn. Thank You.




"Further Up and Further In"
Aslan

 

[anrchy]

The microwave wasn't really for the heat as much as it was for its action on the cell walls.

In others words using heat to lyse the cells. Which I am not convinced is actually happening. I am not saying there is anything wrong with what you are doing, just pointing out my own observations. I personally like swiftness, I want evidence of an illegal extraction to be out for the shortest amount of time possible. In my latest extraction heat did nothing to liberate more DMT out of the cells. In fact the extraction that used the simmering yielded less.

 

[skoobysnax]

The microwave wasn't really for the heat as much as it was for its action on the cell walls.

In others words using heat to lyse the cells. Which I am not convinced is actually happening. I am not saying there is anything wrong with what you are doing, just pointing out my own observations. I personally like swiftness, I want evidence of an illegal extraction to be out for the shortest amount of time possible. In my latest extraction heat did nothing to liberate more DMT out of the cells. In fact the extraction that used the simmering yielded less.

Microwaves do different things to cell walls on a molecular level than heating with stove so the heat is not the main idea but a bi-product. I have not done the side by side tek like you did (nice write up btw) My first 2 pulls yielded 1.666 grams from 100grams ACRB. Your pulls were from MHRB?

I did do a mini a/b and a thick light from the same bark and the thick light yeilded more for me so my general assumtion is that ACRB has tougher cell walls. I do get the desire to wrap up quickly but at least with this tek I don't have to worry about toxicity. Seems like most extraction busts are stumbled upon while serving warrants for other issues so with that in mind it is always a good idea to put away our toys and be mindful of what is in plain sight if we are leisurely about this tek.

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

I'm not a chemist, but would prolonged exposure to microwave radiation be damaging to monoamine molecules like DMT? I know there was talk a little while ago about using microwaves to convert b-carbolines into tryptamines, although I'm not sure it went anywhere

Blessings
~ND

 

[anrchy]

Is the microwave thing theory or proven?

Thanks and yes i did that with mhrb. I personally dont like the idea of using a microwave for food let alone dmt.

 

[skoobysnax]

I'm not a chemist, but would prolonged exposure to microwave radiation be damaging to monoamine molecules like DMT? I know there was talk a little while ago about using microwaves to convert b-carbolines into tryptamines, although I'm not sure it went anywhere

Blessings
~ND

That would be worth looking into. I did a cold IPA wash on a small bit and plan to use it for pharma so I will report in this thread about how active it is.

 

[skoobysnax]

No need to base for that long, the reaction happens instantly. Personally I am not convinced that heat does anything to increase yield. Nice job either way.

The long wait was just really being patient and seeing what would happen. This tek is awesome because I can do it casually without suiting up in all the gear and watch anime while stirring the bowl and such. Limo smells nice. The microwave wasn't really for the heat as much as it was for its action on the cell walls. I didn't make it hotter than I would leftover coffee.

I am noticing a small part I washed in 99% IPA to see if there was much fumaric acid left in it took on a lot of atmospheric moisture and turned a bit gooey over a 6 hour period.

I turned the shotglass upside down and the goo hardened to crystal in a couple days.

 

[anrchy]

No need to base for that long, the reaction happens instantly. Personally I am not convinced that heat does anything to increase yield. Nice job either way.

The long wait was just really being patient and seeing what would happen. This tek is awesome because I can do it casually without suiting up in all the gear and watch anime while stirring the bowl and such. Limo smells nice. The microwave wasn't really for the heat as much as it was for its action on the cell walls. I didn't make it hotter than I would leftover coffee.

I am noticing a small part I washed in 99% IPA to see if there was much fumaric acid left in it took on a lot of atmospheric moisture and turned a bit gooey over a 6 hour period.

I turned the shotglass upside down and the goo hardened to crystal in a couple days.

:thumb_up: awesome!

Great tek, hasnt let me down yet!

 

[starway6]

Doesnt a microwave .. RE arange or change.. the molecular structure of the plant material?

 

[Dualizer]

I made a thread about this not too long ago. Such a great tek that is truly applicable to acacia as well as mimosa. I've seen excellent results many times following q21q21with Acrb again and again. Congrats folks.

 

[cyb]

Doesnt a microwave .. RE arange or change.. the molecular structure of the plant material?

No!

Microwave ovens use radio waves at a specifically set frequency to agitate water molecules in food. As these water molecules get increasingly agitated they begin to vibrate at the atomic level and generate heat. This heat is what actually cooks food in the oven.

I don't see how nuking has any bearing on the extraction process, other than to provide heat in a moist environment.

 

[skoobysnax]

Doesnt a microwave .. RE arange or change.. the molecular structure of the plant material?

No!

Microwave ovens use radio waves at a specifically set frequency to agitate water molecules in food. As these water molecules get increasingly agitated they begin to vibrate at the atomic level and generate heat. This heat is what actually cooks food in the oven.

I don't see how nuking has any bearing on the extraction process, other than to provide heat in a moist environment.

The idea was about heating the material from the inside rather that the outside, expanding and lysing the cell walls. I may be right or wrong but it worked.