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burnt said:
This is exactly the quantum spirituality movement I have been warning about in other threads.

Who are you...the thought police?

Face it burnt, you don't have all the answers, and no claim to the "truth" so you don't need to warn anyone. People here have brains and can think for themselves, and determine if ideas resonate with them or not. These ideas do not hurt anyone, let alone materialists who are practicing their craft. If anything they provide possible answers to the things of which science cannot yet explain...they may be true, they may not be, but as of yet, no one knows.


I too am interested in this program, be interesting when the full version comes out.
 
Fiashly said:
I hate to be the one taking burnt's side but I thought it was a little too pseudo-sciencie for my taste also. I have been in a bit of a debate with a friend about the whole "create your own reality" paradigm a la Abraham Hicks and "The Secret". I think there is some grain of truth in there but how much is truth and how much is wishful thinking is the question I wonder. I simply can't believe that self affirmations and force of will are going to give me some great life. It takes ideas backed by actions for that to materialize.

Doesn't self affirmation followed up by force of will = ideas backed up by action = realization of ones dreams?

You just said the exact same thing in two different ways, affirming one while discrediting the other.

This does work by the way, I know more than one person who has made things materialize for themselves by simply changing their attitude and outlook on life.
 
Yea I am the thought police. Whatever this isn't even fun anymore. Literally everything I say or post gets ignored or tossed aside as materialistic bullshit. I enjoyed having these discussions before but now it seems like as soon as I say anything it gets jumped on. All I am trying to tell people is that there is distortion of information loading the internet and book shelves these days. No one wants to listen at all. You would rather go on believing in nonsense because it "resonates" with you. Go ahead I am sick of trying to expose the underlying lies behind these movements and being called a narc or arrogant or whatever.
 
Fiashly said:
but how much is truth and how much is wishful thinking is the question I wonder. I simply can't believe that self affirmations and force of will are going to give me some great life. It takes ideas backed by actions for that to materialize.

Well thats just the point. The majority of it is wishful thinking. Its all based on your beliefs and limitations. If you think its bullshit, then you wont see any evidence to supports. You gotta believe it to see it.
But like you say you cant just sit a do affirmations. The affirmations will provide you the opportunities to take inspired action
 
burnt said:
Yea I am the thought police. Whatever this isn't even fun anymore. Literally everything I say or post gets ignored or tossed aside as materialistic bullshit. I enjoyed having these discussions before but now it seems like as soon as I say anything it gets jumped on. All I am trying to tell people is that there is distortion of information loading the internet and book shelves these days. No one wants to listen at all. You would rather go on believing in nonsense because it "resonates" with you. Go ahead I am sick of trying to expose the underlying lies behind these movements and being called a narc or arrogant or whatever.


Burnt, like wev said before, its always good to have both sides of the coin on display, but i think this goes a little deeper.
The people in charge, running the planet, the global elite, secret societes etc absolutlely know what consciousness is, and they are shit scared that we will discover the truth as they will no longer be able to enslave us if it happen. There was a recent thread titled 2009, year of the slave, but this only scratches the surface.
The elite control the flow and content of information, its one of their biggest weapons. Its a war on consciuosness. Thing is the majority of people are unaware of this and only believe things they see/hear/ read in the mainstream. Its frustrating to watch the "sleepers" absoarb all their propaganda.
Its damaging to our evolution
 
soulman: I view the "elite" as a shepherd. I understand how they can be regarded as evil, but for me they simply make sure that nobody gets free until they are really ready. It's like a safety mechanism built into the world. They are putting such a burden on us that the only way to cut through it is to wake up. All the other exit routes are getting closed down.
 
Fiashly said:
I can recall wanting the fuck out of specific things in my past and not getting them. To me that seems to go against the paradigm we are talking about.

It depends on how you going about this brother.
If you WANT something, the reality of it is that you dont have it already. So to say that you want something is to propagate a reality where by you dont have the very thing you want.
You need to be of the mindset set of already having the thing and to be thankful for already having the thing. It seems counter intuative, but thats how the law of attraction works. Like attracts like. Like you say, it aint gonna pop up out the blue, but sychronicities will start to happen and oppotunities that facilitate your desire will be presented.


This dude explains it better/
 
If we have an inner self and an outer ego, then the statement "our beliefs create our reality" may refer to the beliefs of the inner self and not those of the outer ego. As the inner self is in most cases unconscious, its desires and wants may be totally opposite to those of the outer ego and that may be the source of confusion regarding these matters.
 
burnt said:
Yea I am the thought police. Whatever this isn't even fun anymore. Literally everything I say or post gets ignored or tossed aside as materialistic bullshit. I enjoyed having these discussions before but now it seems like as soon as I say anything it gets jumped on. All I am trying to tell people is that there is distortion of information loading the internet and book shelves these days. No one wants to listen at all. You would rather go on believing in nonsense because it "resonates" with you. Go ahead I am sick of trying to expose the underlying lies behind these movements and being called a narc or arrogant or whatever.

Burnt, its not what you say, its how you say it. I like your perspective and accept the way you look at the world. But when you talk in absolutes, say things like "dangerous thinking" "warning people" it rubs me the wrong way and I react to it. You are trying to tell people what to think and what to believe, that your perspective is the right and only way to view the world. You have made good points and provided excellent discussion, but ultimately have been unconvincing as your "evidence" falls short of proving your perspective.

I don't need to be warned, and my thinking poses no danger to anyone. I hope you continue to contribute, but know that you do not have all the answers, and that people will take umbrage to the things you say when you talk in absolutes and attempt to tell people what they should and should not believe, when most have done at least as much, if not more research and thought into their positions.
 
^^ I will second that..burnt you are an invaluable contributer to these forums..please dont be put off by other reactions...
You seem quite versed in many different diciplines..there a alot of very opinionated people on these forums (including me, which I dont like and need to get over) and obviousily stupid argunemtns are going to ensure here and there. You have a voice..and you use it reguardless of what others think..be proud of that..it's not a bad thing.
 
Fiashly said:
cellux said:
If we have an inner self and an outer ego, then the statement "our beliefs create our reality" may refer to the beliefs of the inner self and not those of the outer ego. As the inner self is in most cases unconscious, its desires and wants may be totally opposite to those of the outer ego and that may be the source of confusion regarding these matters.

Now that is an interpetation I can get with. This also jives with my experience of getting what I thought I wanted and finding out it wasn't really what I wanted.


Agreed, It is a very good point.
I am currently reading "The Book" by Alan Watts, which talks about this very thing
 
soulman said:
Burnt, like wev said before, its always good to have both sides of the coin on display, but i think this goes a little deeper.
The people in charge, running the planet, the global elite, secret societes etc absolutlely know what consciousness is, and they are shit scared that we will discover the truth as they will no longer be able to enslave us if it happen.

How do you know?

Your guess is as good as any wealthy "elite" when it comes to what consiousness abosolutely is...


I agree with Burnt, all this paranoia of elite gov't conspirisies & global disaster is just getting boring.
All I got to say is Y2K...
Back then Gov't was planning to destroy all the computers

WS
 
This isn't a matter of belief or not belief. This is a matter of science catching up to things known thousands of years ago. I have no means of measuring speeds, or strengths of electrical impulses, but it's been a well known fact the body is very ...electrical. With today's equipment, we can measure thoughts, electrical impulses within the brain etc. However, we don't have the means of measuring energy throughout space. There is energy all around us, it can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created nor destroyed. We are just becomming less ignorant on it as we are getting better means of studying it.
 
WSaged said:
soulman said:
Burnt, like wev said before, its always good to have both sides of the coin on display, but i think this goes a little deeper.
The people in charge, running the planet, the global elite, secret societes etc absolutlely know what consciousness is, and they are shit scared that we will discover the truth as they will no longer be able to enslave us if it happen.

How do you know?

Your guess is as good as any wealthy "elite" when it comes to what consiousness abosolutely is...


I agree with Burnt, all this paranoia of elite gov't conspirisies & global disaster is just getting boring.
All I got to say is Y2K...
Back then Gov't was planning to destroy all the computers

WS

Are you kidding,
The evidence is everywhere.
Iv said this somewhere else on here but check out codex alimentarius. Why are they planning on making vitamins illegal and reducing the nutritional value in our foods?
Why do they use preservatives in vaccines that are known to cause serious damage....Thimersal, a mercury derivative.
Does this make sense to anyone seroiusly.


Why else would this be goin on if the plan wasnt to reduce the population and dumb us down.

The fact that people simply dont believe this is what they rely on.

Im obviously not saying that this is going on for certain, but there is certainly enough information available out there to support an educated decision. Like you say, just my opoinion, but i assure you it is not just one that i have pulled out of thin air!
 
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